50 years to the day

[Bunion 2020]

You may be on to something

[MultiVerse]

Every bunion post: I play shuffleboard... get off my lawn

[mcski]

I posted a chart showing the ramp up after Trump pulled out of joint agreement. The second half of Trump [emoji637]. NOT Biden’s term

[Cono Este]

I’m very disappointed in you multi.

Ww3 will be over before it starts. Proof you had a library card, but still live at home.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Huh. Maybe we should have stayed in the nuclear deal that was working:

What a Sunday evening for Iran news…

WaPo with the exclusive that signals intel indicates damage not so bad at its nuclear sites….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ercepted-call/

https://bsky.app/profile/gbrumfiel.b.../3lsro6hqtxs2x

[J. Barron DeJong]

NYT with the story that Grossi now says Iran could resume enriching in “months.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/29/u...e=articleShare

https://bsky.app/profile/gbrumfiel.b.../3lsrocpp3y22x

[dan_pdx]

So Iran's thought process is "the US and Israel bombed us to stop us from building nukes, so we'll redouble our effort to build nukes, surely we'll be able to get away with it." Makes sense.

[MultiVerse]

- Jong's NYT article also says "18,000 centrifuges, buried in underground enrichment halls, had been destroyed or damaged and knocked out of operation" so if and when Iran starts enriching again it will be at an order of magnitude smaller scale.


- The nuclear deal was not working. Iran violated the terms of the deal by failing to expose its clandestine weapons program.


- And the Washington Post story is not an "exclusive." The stpry was discussed here last week. It received U.S. coverage. Israelis, for example, said the next day:

"An Israeli official with direct knowledge of intelligence on Iran told Axios that intercepted communications suggest Iranian military officials have been giving false situation reports to the country's political leadership — downplaying the extent of the damage."

Whether that's true or not it the Washington Post should have discussed that aspect of the story

I posted a chart showing the ramp up after Trump pulled out of joint agreement. The second half of Trump [emoji637]. NOT Biden’s term

Agreed, under Trump 1.0 Iran started to scale up. Your chart shows however the big ramp up happened in the last couple of years. That has less to do with Trump or Biden and more to do with Iran's "six armies" strategy getting dismantled

[MultiVerse]

So Iran's thought process is "the US and Israel bombed us to stop us from building nukes, so we'll redouble our effort to build nukes, surely we'll be able to get away with it." Makes sense.

Most people probably think the preliminary DNI report was leaked to hurt Trump. That might not be the case. The leaking of SIGINT has triggered a very public damage assessment debate.

Trump's "obliteration" statement indicates we're at the North Korea phase of a potential deal. They pretend to disarm, we pretend to believe them. That only works not because professionals are deceived but because the issue recedes in the public discourse.

If MAGA agrees the program is obliterated, then that's their (un)reality. In that sense the Trump admin is smart to lie about it. It doesn't change the fact Iran remains intent on building bombs.

Ww3 will be over before it starts. Proof you had a library card, but still live at home

Tell us more about these liberries, grandpa

[Cono Este]

J Baron

How can you say that when for 4 yrs we watched every nuclear treaty be torn up without a word.

This ain’t opinion. It’s the odds. 100%. Man has been killing each other since the Dawn of time. And as of 1945, the risk of the world blowing up now lay with a handful of assholes. and any one of them, on just a bad hair day, can End the Game.

[mcski]

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- The nuclear deal was not working. Iran violated the terms

Agreed, under Trump 1.0 Iran started to scale up. Your chart shows however the big ramp up happened in the last couple of years. That has less to do with Trump or Biden and more to do with Iran's "six armies" strategy getting dismantled

The nuclear deal was working as evidenced by that chart. Sure, there were areas that were being exploited, but clearly the deal had big effects on Iran’s program. The growth in the chart had less to do w six armies strategy and more to do with restarting the effort and building economies of scale after Trump tore up the agreement. If he wasn’t so butthurt about Obama, he could have just expanded negotiations (and threats) to build off the existing agreement rather than throw it out completely.

The only non rational player in this shit show is Trump. The mullahs are fuckheads, but they act in a rational way that aligns with their best interests.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Cono,

Refer to the chart that has been posted multiple times.

Iran had very low levels of enriched Uranium under the nuclear deal, then Trump pulled out of the deal about seven years ago, and now everyone is concerned that Iran has large amounts of highly enriched uranium that can be used for a bonb.

This is not fucking complicated as much as some people are trying to avoid seeing what is obvious.

[J. Barron DeJong]

I love that that chart is solid proof that Iran is close to having enough uranium to build bombs, but is definitely not proof that the nuclear deal was working.

[MultiVerse]

The chart shows Iran used the deal for sanctions relief to fund its terrorist activities while at the same time developing nuclear weapons material

The nukear deal was working as evidenced by that chart. Sure, there were areas that were being exploited, but clearly the deal had bug effects on Iran’s program. The growth in the chart had less to do w six armies strategy and more to do with restarting the effort and building economies of scale after Trump left the agreement. If he wasn’t so butthurt about Obama, he could have just expanded negotiations (and threats) to build off the existing agreement rather than throw it out completely.

Even setting aside Iran's clandestine violations prior to Trump 1.0 leaving the JCPOA doesn't change the fact your chart shows Iran significantly expanded uranium enrichment capabilities more recently when Biden was president. Resulting in a much larger stockpile size. The IAEA has since found Iran is non-compliant with its nuclear obligations. If you want to blame Trump that's one thing.

The fact is though the Mullahs violated before the United States left the JCPOA. Then they continued to violate after, which your chart shows. And then again. even after the Biden admin issued sanctions wavers in exchange for promises Iran would “stop the process of enriching uranium to high levels” for Biden's sanctions relief they continued to violate, which your chart also shows.

I'm not making a partisan argument. Iran violated Obama's terms. They violated under Trump. Then they violated Biden's renegotiated deal

[mcski]

How is is possible to violate an agreement that’s been tossed in the garbage by the key signatory? It’s not. They were pretty much free to go back to what they were doing as far as the agreement was concerned. If anything, the chart would imply they honored it longer than required.

The chart shows nothing about links to terrorism directly or indirectly

You claiming the chart shows a lot that it doesn’t , including any unusual increase under Biden.

Keep posting though as your algorithm demands lol

[MultiVerse]

It is. Khamenei agreed to continue the JCPOA with Europe, Russia, and China. In exchange they enacted a blocking statute to defeat U.S. sanctions on countries trading with Iran. Iran still violated the JCPOA. Iran since also violated its NPT agreement. And there was a big increase under Biden despite Biden's renegotiated deal

At this point you're hallucinating like an AI telling stories divorced from reality

[mcski]

Thats chart does not show a big increase under Biden. The increases are primarily under DJT. It’s mostly the kind of growth you would expect for a program coming into full production. Not a big jump taking advantage of a new change

[MultiVerse]

I don't think you understand the nonlinear process of uranium enrichment. In any event, over the past couple years Iran increased its stocks of near weapons grade enriched uranium because it increased uranium enrichment capacity

[mcski]

I understand the chart and unlike you, am not interpreting it to represent things it does not.

[MultiVerse]

You may or may not understand the chart. Either way you are using it to make motte-and-bailey fallacious arguments about reality

[californiagrown]

So Iran's thought process is "the US and Israel bombed us to stop us from building nukes, so we'll redouble our effort to build nukes, surely we'll be able to get away with it." Makes sense.

The question you should be asking is What Does Having a Nuke Do For Iran? The answer is that it would likely prevent further attacks on Iranian soil, and it would put the fear of the creator into Israel and other enemies.

If a DV victim is told by their abuser that if they try to buy a gun again that they will just get beat worse... why would that DV victim try to keep buying a gun? We need to remember that Iran thinks it is ethically in the right here and legit belives it is the victim, and that Israel/USAs attacks were direct and illegal attacks on Irans sovergnity. Also, they see America and Israel as massive hypocrites who have many nukes, but refuse to allow Iran to have any to protect themselves.

[MultiVerse]

Are you insane? The Mullahs wants nukes because they want to destroy Israel and America. It's a bastardized form of Islam. Did you not know that? It's not like they're trying to keep it secret

[mcski]

You may or may not understand the chart. Either way you are using it to make motte-and-bailey fallacious arguments about reality

Keep posting boy, you will still be wrong

[mcski]

Are you insane? The Mullahs wants nukes because they want to destroy Israel and America. It's a bastardized form of Islam. Did you not know that? It's not like they're trying to keep it secret

CG is correct. The mullahs rationally know that having a nuke is a defensive weapon to counter and and more importantly discourage attacks by Israel, Saudi, or any others the perceive as enemies. (see NK as an expample if not getting attacked). It’s a defensive weapon. The mullahs ain’t gonna start lobbing nukes the first chance they get at Israel or anyone else. That’s retarted propaganda thinking. They and everyone else knows , if they were to do so, they’d be immediately obliterated.

[MultiVerse]

You two are clueless. North Koreans are actively fighting in Europe against a European county. Iranian nukes are so that Iran can continue to export Jihad both indirectly and directly. Their Jihadist ideology didn’t exist before 1979:

Hundreds of women hold up their babies into the air to show they're willing to offer them up as martyrs in Tehran, Iran according to CNN.

CNN's Frederik Pleitgen witnessed the ceremony.

"Martyrdom is a hugely important concept here in the Islamic Republic of Iran."

"We're currently at an event where hundreds of women hold their babies into the air to show that they're willing to offer their children as martyrs... chanting Death to America!"

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1939357661432058164