Moment Skis Discussion

[TeleBeaver]

I think this is the reality I need to hear. How often am I skiing low angle 30+" of new that is upside down? I'd say a more common touring pow day is 6-12" of new, or pow that is several days old and has settled somewhat. I probably just need many more days to learn this ski. And unfortunately the slow start to the season has me thinking of skiing more than skiing so far.

I know some people love them, but the DWT doesn't make sense to me as a touring ski. The whole gimmick of the DW shape is that they are way looser than they should be for how much grip they have on firm snow. Maybe I am privileged skiing in Utah, but I don't usually encounter firm snow in the backcountry, almost never! The spring is the big exception, but you already said you are open to having a mountaineeringish ski in that slot. I'd say get a 95mm slightly shorter ski for days with a lot of vert or spring mountaineering, and some 120+ dedicated 3D snow skis for midwinter stuff. Even if it isn't bottomless dry pow, a big straight ski will handle wind skin, breakable crust, overcooked wet powder and other wild snow conditions much better than a twin tip ski designed to have great grip on groomers and still being able to slash and pop. I skied the regular deathwish inbounds over 5 seasons, over 100+ ski days in all conditions. The best conditions for that shape are 3-10 inches of fresh over firmish and a lot of playful terrain. So freaking fun. Most dissappointing conditions were rope drops a few days after the storm on consolidated powder (a very common BC condition). I never liked how backseat I had to ski to keep the tips up. Felt bad and unnatural. Once that stuff gets cut up they were game on, but in the BC I hope you're skiing fresh lines. My two ski BC quiver is 180cm praxis backcountry 106, and 190cm dps lotus 120. I think a heritage labs BC90 and BC120/UT122/C132 combo (take your pick) would serve me just as well.

[couloirman]

Chipotle blades are the best thing to happen to parents teaching little ones to ski, ever. Omg life just got so much better. Love these things.

[Huskier]

Chipotle blades are the best thing to happen to parents teaching little ones to ski, ever. Omg life just got so much better. Love these things.

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[Sargentdrufus]

Man today was fun. About a foot of decent density snow (for the Wasatch) much like my afternoon tour from earlier in the week. Great conditions for the Meridian Tour (Monday I was on the DWT) I gotta say I prefer the Deathwish for just about anything. Though if it is soft and you can really open it up again they are both great but you can really drive the Meridians more even if you can ski just as fast and hard on the DWT it's surfier for sure. You definitely can't ski them the same way and the Deathwish just seem to match my style and vibe, but both a such fun skis.

[DoubleBogey]

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[FloridaSnow]

I echo some comments below of tip dive in dense powder on the DW. If it’s steep enough it doesn’t matter, but low angle requires some work. They do get tossed around a bit 2 hours into a pow day at Alta/Bird. I absolutely love the ski everywhere else though. Confidence inspiring on small cliffs.

With that being said, I’m looking at replacing my beat up DW with a size up 190 DW or give the WC 184 a try to add some stability in leftovers/chunder and help with float I know the core is similar, but have read the WC do better in leftover chop if anybody here has both.

I have eyed the qst blank or m free 112 as well.

I have both though in the opposite sizes. So 184 dw and a 190/118 wc. I fully agree the dw gets pushed around in chopped up crud. It’s a softer overall ski compared to the wildcat. The 190 wc blasts through crud and chop without issue. If you’re comfortable on 190’s I’d say step up to the 190 cat over the 184. It’s still super usable for being a 118 but benefits a lot from
the wider shovel over the 116.

[Landob]

I have both though in the opposite sizes. So 184 dw and a 190/118 wc. I fully agree the dw gets pushed around in chopped up crud. It’s a softer overall ski compared to the wildcat. The 190 wc blasts through crud and chop without issue. If you’re comfortable on 190’s I’d say step up to the 190 cat over the 184. It’s still super usable for being a 118 but benefits a lot from
the wider shovel over the 116.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Reason I had 190DW and 184WC was the weight and eff edge are nearly identical. Just read on blister they had the 190DW a little softer than the 184DW which is interesting and am def leaning WC now. Question is 184 or 190. May wait until they have demos here in SLC and try both

[FloridaSnow]

Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Reason I had 190DW and 184WC was the weight and eff edge are nearly identical. Just read on blister they had the 190DW a little softer than the 184DW which is interesting and am def leaning WC now. Question is 184 or 190. May wait until they have demos here in SLC and try both

I had demoed the wc in 184. I own the 108 in 179 and the dw 104 and 112 in 184. Figured the wc 184 would be the ticket for me but after demoing it I felt I could ski the 190. Im honestly really glad I went with the 190 over the 184. Its just more ski but in a very positive way.

[SnowMachine]

I fondled the CT 104 today when I dropped my DW 104's for some love.

I'm intrigued. I'm not sure they can replace my DW, but they look like a great ski.

I do have the C102, but I don't find myself grabbing them often enough. The CT 104 could be a pretty good blend between the skis (which turns out to be what I wanted to ski today).

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Reason I had 190DW and 184WC was the weight and eff edge are nearly identical. Just read on blister they had the 190DW a little softer than the 184DW which is interesting and am def leaning WC now. Question is 184 or 190. May wait until they have demos here in SLC and try both

7even skis has Moment demos.
https://www.7evenskis.com/

[SnowMachine]

I had demoed the wc in 184. I own the 108 in 179 and the dw 104 and 112 in 184. Figured the wc 184 would be the ticket for me but after demoing it I felt I could ski the 190. Im honestly really glad I went with the 190 over the 184. Its just more ski but in a very positive way.

I ski the DW's in 184, but if I were going for the big cat it would be a 190. I'd probably do the 108 in 184. Just a application thing. I want to bust chop on the WC whereas I feel like I could quiver kill on the 108.

The rocker lines on the WC is long. We put the 190 next to a Enforcer Pro and it had more than an inch of extra rocker at each end. Definitely a ski you can size up on if you're strong.

That slot is full for me, but I'd like to ski the 108 when my DW's die (it could be a couple of years).

[SkiGinger]

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[Jvhowube]

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If anyone is looking for a small Wildcat 108, this is a pretty solid deal on an older vintage (but undrilled) in Seattle area.

[hick]

Looking for a used 186 Chipotle Banana or 186 Ghost Train if anyone decides they don’t like em or are getting the long dogs to replace 186’s. I never ever should have sold my 186 CBs. What a fool!!!


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[davjr96]

Anyone skiing DWT104s on a light boot? Currently have zero G peaks.

[Eastside]

Looking for a used 186 Chipotle Banana or 186 Ghost Train if anyone decides they don’t like em or are getting the long dogs to replace 186’s. I never ever should have sold my 186 CBs. What a fool!!!


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I am always hunting for 193s. Granted my 186s are so awesome, IDK if I really need the 193s

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[hick]

I am always hunting for 193s. Granted my 186s are so awesome, IDK if I really need the 193s

I tried the 193, not nearly enough real estate to enjoy them at Bridger and I am lacking the appropriate amount of meniscus to really make them shine! 186 is just magic for me.


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[Eastside]

I tried the 193, not nearly enough real estate to enjoy them at Bridger and I am lacking the appropriate amount of meniscus to really make them shine! 186 is just magic for me.


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I spaced it but there is a pair of 186 for sale in South Lake Tahoe r/n. Price is a bit steep but with June-uary firing up in Tahoe, I expect he wants to move those Nanners

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DmP9KwgKm/

[hick]

Anyone skiing DWT104s on a light boot? Currently have zero G peaks.

Yes, ski the 190 with Scarpa f1 Lt as well as the technica zgtp. The F1 LT is wicked fun on the 104dwt. No issues for me, but others results may vary.


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[EWG]

Just checking in on my learn-about-Moment journey to say that the Deathwish 112 is a quite similar ski to the Woodsman and the Optic Blade from a 10,000 foot view.

Then as you get lower the differences appear. Still trying to understand the difference in edge hookup. It’s very noticeable. The DW112 is incredibly carvable for the width. It also has great suspension landing airs. Maybe both from the triple camber?

Anyway, just some random thoughts.

[hick]

I spaced it but there is a pair of 186 for sale in South Lake Tahoe r/n. Price is a bit steep but with June-uary firing up in Tahoe, I expect he wants to move those Nanners

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DmP9KwgKm/

Thanks! I’ll keep an eye them and see if he comes down.


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[Landob]

Just checking in on my learn-about-Moment journey to say that the Deathwish 112 is a quite similar ski to the Woodsman and the Optic Blade from a 10,000 foot view.

Then as you get lower the differences appear. Still trying to understand the difference in edge hookup. It’s very noticeable. The DW112 is incredibly carvable for the width. It also has great suspension landing airs. Maybe both from the triple camber?

Anyway, just some random thoughts.

I’ve been on the DW112 for 3 years and it continues to surprise me. I’ve remounted it as it’s getting beat up to be a more directional soft snow ski at -2 from rec. I know I know don’t mess with triple camber. It’s still amazing and I might enjoy it more because I can drive the tips more when I want or stay neutral. I haven’t noticed much difference, maybe more rebound out of the tail when carving, but that could just be a placebo effect.

I demoed a Wildcat 116 today in 20” of snow and came away preferring the DW. It’s more playful in chop and confidence inspiring for drops personally. The WC is incredible, but I guess I’m not as chargy as I thought in those conditions. The only thing the DW could improve is some stability for runouts after drops, but they have added some weight the past 3-4 years it seems (4kg to 4.15kg).

Going to demo some 104-108 skis (countach, m free, sender, enforcer free) soon to compare for a DD in the Wasatch.

[jbrine]

Where are you demoing countachs? I really wanna try these out. I’m summit county co next weekend - any spots known in that area to get on them?


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[Landob]

Where are you demoing countachs? I really wanna try these out. I’m summit county co next weekend - any spots known in that area to get on them?


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I only know of 7evenskis in SLC that has them for demo. It’s like $60 a day.