United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Assassinating someone over abstract ideas is not the act of an ordered mind. Something people should keep in mind when trying to map the horrible act of someone going through a mental health crisis onto a political cause



No, that's wrong. It's true that people keep saying that. But that's not what she was told by Canadian authorities. The disconnect here is with the TGR collective who want to believe something that according to article just isn't true

So you know the exact content and context of the conversation that the patient had with the “authorities” in Canada?


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[abraham]

#KONY2012

Saw this down the street earlier this year.

[abraham]

#KONY2012

If we're rehashing the Internet of 10-15 years ago
Saw this down the street earlier this year.

[BmillsSkier]

If we're rehashing the Internet of 10-15 years ago
Saw this down the street earlier this year.

That's when it all went to shit.

RIP big fella.

[MultiVerse]

How about wrongfully denying care to juice profits? Ordered mind or not?

According to the murderer that's not what happened. According to the murderer doctors "bled us dry." He says the treatments didn't work but still cost thousands of dollars. His issue with UHC is that they wouldn't pay out the claim until the doctors sent in the notes, "with every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall," and then goes on to say it's all UHC's fault.

So you know the exact content and context of the conversation that the patient had with the “authorities” in Canada?

Only what's written in the article. Her primary care doctor told she had 2-to-24 months to live. A surgeon told her she wasn't a candidate for HIPEC. She was offered assisted suicide. She was told that unknown wait times to see an oncologist could be months or more.

So she consulted with a foreign oncologist and scheduled the surgery in America. After having the HIPEC surgery in America she was told by Canadian health care authorities that the surgery wouldn't have been authorized for her in Canada

[nickwm21]

Can we get this thread back on track….

Luigi was smart enough to have a plan:
- Used fake identification
- Obtained a ghost gun and practiced with it
- Knew confidential information about the targets schedule
- Had an thought out escape from the scene

But then, a week later, he:
- Still had that ID on him
- Still had that gun on him
- Had a written document of admission
- Had not left the country

How hard is it to duct tape that gun and ID to a rock, throw it in the river, rent a car, drive to Mexico, get on a plane to Columbia.

He either:

A) Saw the publicity and changed his plan

or

B) Is a plant.


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[Trackhead]

Among all this back and forth about personal experience with health care and insurance are we just going to overlook how this iGen kid was so anti-corporate and anti-capitalist but was found while eating in a McDonald's?

It was a mom and pop McDonalds, locally owned and operated.

[MultiVerse]

It was a mom and pop McDonalds, locally owned and operated.

And a customer, not an employee, turned the murderer in

[dan_pdx]

According to the murderer that's not what happened. According to the murderer doctors "bled us dry." He says the treatments didn't work but still cost thousands of dollars. His issue with UHC is that they wouldn't pay out the claim until the doctors sent in the notes, "with every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall," and then goes on to say it's all UHC's fault.

Not really what I was asking. How do you feel about UHC's business practices?

[AK47bp]

It was a mom and pop McDonalds, locally owned and operated.

Yup.




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[MultiVerse]

Not really what I was asking. How do you feel about UHC's business practices?

I've already answered that question several times. I disagree with the cursory denial of legitimate claims and argue there needs to be legally required transparency for the claims denial process

If you read about the murderers experience with his mother it was a case of the American healthcare system making a lot of ineffectual referrals for a patient who wasn't being helped which is what drove up their costs

[XXX-er]

So on average how many hrs of the day does the MD in America spend dealing with the insurance company(s) instead of practicing medicine ?

Sure they don't cover everything in Canada but I think any MD would know what they can or can not get thru the system

[jono]

I'm always interested in learning. Always. Which begs the question, did you even read the article? How is that she wasn't a "candidate" in Canada but was in America? Zero snark. I really want to know? Like, how did she go from being offered assisted suicide in Canada to being successfully treated in America? It seems like these are reasonable questions given the topic of this thread and even your own experience with cancer.

I only read what I quoted, you were my only source. I don't expect to succeed where actual pros have already failed, but outside that it does happen that my own experience involved several discussions with an early practitioner of HIPEC. Happy to say I wasn't a candidate in his (hint: medical/professional) opinion, but it sounded like a pretty subjective call as medical opinions go. I wouldn't call HIPEC controversial, but it sure sounded like the range of candidates and outcomes have been quite varied. Just exactly the sort of thing that would lead to differing opinions, particularly if one surgeon has never done one.

[BmillsSkier]

Can we get this thread back on track….

Luigi was smart enough to have a plan:
- Used fake identification
- Obtained a ghost gun and practiced with it
- Knew confidential information about the targets schedule
- Had an thought out escape from the scene

But then, a week later, he:
- Still had that ID on him
- Still had that gun on him
- Had a written document of admission
- Had not left the country

How hard is it to duct tape that gun and ID to a rock, throw it in the river, rent a car, drive to Mexico, get on a plane to Columbia.

He either:

A) Saw the publicity and changed his plan

or

B) Is a plant.


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OR...

(C) Not mentally stable, which many Americans keep forgetting or purposefully omitting from their bingo cards.

[jono]

His issue with UHC is that they wouldn't pay out the claim until the doctors sent in the notes, "with every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall," and then goes on to say it's all UHC's fault.

Which doctor? The one filing the appeals or the peer he was fighting with to get approval?

[fomofo]

everyone here is debating stupid ass shit but every day I struggle with do I like shaved lazer hair removal pussy or big bush pussy or neatly trimmed pussy
I just can't make a decision sometimes and I can go either way anytime and still always enjoy myself

This gentleman's gotcha covered.

[MultiVerse]

I only read what I quoted.

Well, you need to pick more cherries next time

Which doctor? The one filing the appeals or the peer he was fighting with to get approval?

Who knows? It looks like the first doctor was the only honest one. The rest were billing for a lot of services but not offering any solutions i.e. each subsequent doctor required repeating the same scans & tests as the last one before they would see his mother.

If this guy is the avenging angel of the "rationalist", "gray tribe" tech bro class then they are not sending their best. Even worse, his suffering mother now has to go through the heartbreak of losing a child to the prison system

[Danno]

This thread used to be interesting.

[Trackhead]

So on average how many hrs of the day does the MD in America spend dealing with the insurance company(s) instead of practicing medicine ?

Sure they don't cover everything in Canada but I think any MD would know what they can or can not get thru the system

In primary care it's not too frequent, impossible to give exact number. Lots of med rejections for various inhalers switching to XYZ med, stuff like that. Some times in outpatient setting waiting for prior authorization for imaging. Switching blood thinners from modern to old school due to cost (Eliquis/Coumadin). Mostly stuff like that.

Overall not a huge deal, but the annoyance is so overwhelming because it takes legitimate time away from actually taking care of patients.

[Peruvian]

It was a mom and pop McDonalds, locally owned and operated.

[jono]

This thread used to be interesting.

Am I the only one (besides MV) who [obligatory] doesn't condone it but didn't want to see him caught? Never meet your heroes. Never read the manifesto.

[bennymac]

Jesus - MV still struggling - doesn’t know the difference between a medical oncologist and a surgeon.

From what others are posting I guess I shoulda known better given how long I’ve been around here.

[MultiVerse]

I do know the difference. Why do you keep making things up? Pure sleaze. You even agreed the long wait times to see an oncologist in Canada was a problem. I mean, if we're supposed to accept your appeals to authority shouldn't you at least get the most basic details right?

Am I the only one (besides MV) who [obligatory] doesn't condone it but didn't want to see him caught? Never meet your heroes. Never read the manifesto.

Looking forward to the year is 2028 when memecoin billionaireess President Hawk Tuah says she will pardon the UHC killer. Senator Musk of the department of Pronouns Are Gay and house member Rittenhouse are accusing her of being an assassin cuck. RFK Jr is promoting incest as a more natural form of making babies. And GTA 6 is delayed yet again....

[TStriker]

McDonalds employee makes $60K with one phone call...

[skaredshtles]

Among all this back and forth about personal experience with health care and insurance are we just going to overlook how this iGen kid was so anti-corporate and anti-capitalist but was found while eating in a McDonald's?

Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

-RWE