Bringing Back The Best: Lotii And Other Assorted Love Songs

[muted reborn]

Everyone loves unsolicited advice so here's mine - get rid of all these initials for ski names and use real words so people can easily remember what ski is what. Example - instead of calling a ski a SE, call it Slash Edition. Or any word works.

[The Iron Horse]

Going forward, I will kill the “FL” name and just call it SE (Slash Edition) and ZF. Will update the website this evening to that effect. Sorry for the confusion. I was overthinking it.

SE = 8 of 10 flex ~2450g and very subtle flat/reverse
ZF = 9 of 10 flex ~2600g and small camber pocket

They will each get their own webpage to that affect too

I know it's a long shot, but I'll put my name down for one of these -- preferably a ZF -- in a shorter model!

[SkiLyft]

Re: worried about stiffness

I was in the same camp and was coming from a 1.5x supergoat.

What impressed me was the ability to be playful at any speed, with my super goats you have to be going Mach Schnell for them to come alive and at lower speeds are pretty dang planky.



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[Shorty_J]

I was in the same camp and was coming from a 1.5x supergoat.

What impressed me was the ability to be playful at any speed, with my super goats you have to be going Mach Schnell for them to come alive and at lower speeds are pretty dang planky.



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Knowing your quiver and how you ski, going with the SE flex makes total sense as a "how do I feel like skiing today" option.

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[Shorty_J]

I know it's a long shot, but I'll put my name down for one of these -- preferably a ZF -- in a shorter model!

I'm kind of interested in a shorter version of this ski, or the ultra taper 122 in a 18X with the heavy build.

But I'm not financially in a position to throw down for that right now.

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[Marshal Olson]

I know it's a long shot, but I'll put my name down for one of these -- preferably a ZF -- in a shorter model!

Not exactly this, but as Shorty J also points towards, working on some stuff that will scratch the itch for ya!

[Marshal Olson]

Everyone loves unsolicited advice so here's mine - get rid of all these initials for ski names and use real words so people can easily remember what ski is what. Example - instead of calling a ski a SE, call it Slash Edition. Or any word works.

Good point. Let me digest how to work toward that across the line, without it being even more confusing!

[TAFKALVS]

Good point. Let me digest how to work toward that across the line, without it being even more confusing!

I think 3 “lines”, starting with ski style:

FL( Fall Line [traditional mounts, more technical skis] )

FL105, ZF/SE116, RC85 etc - all of these would become FL***

EX ( Experimental [powder shapes that are unique and don’t fit in any bucket)

UT122, FR132 - same ie EX132

PR ( Progressive [forward or progressive mounts, more playful shapes] )

FR110, AM100 - etc


Once inside the line of skis (FL, EX, PR) you would then pick camber profile (if multiple options exist) and flex (if multiple options exist)

3 profiles: RC (Rocker/camber), R (rocker with flat camber), and FR (full, curved rocker.)

Finally, stiffness:

Soft, Standard, Comp. The stiffness would be relative to the ski and classification rather than some sort of an absolute measurement.

So the SE 116 I have which are flat camber with rocker and the standard flex would become:

FL116 R Standard

The ZF 116 would become:

FL116 RC Comp

The RC95 would become:

FL95 CR Standard

The R110 would become:

PR110 R Standard

The FR110 would become:

PR110 FR Standard

Etc Etc Etc

A buyer can first ask, what type of skier or what is the goal of the design shape of ski I’m buying. Am I after a fall line ski or a more playful ski.

Then if options exist on rocker/camber, they can fine tune the on/off edge feel with a different profile. Do I want more suspension on hard snow or do I want a looser feel on soft snow.

And finally, flex can be ordered softer or stiffer (if the demand exists for this on a certain model) to fine tune to the skiers speed and bodyweight.


All of this could now be laid out nicely in a buyers guide, where a skier/buyer could easily determine what ski they want based on the above criteria without calling or emailing Marshal.

[Upinsmoke]

Too confusing

[Marshal Olson]

lots of details

You broke my brain, homie.

But helpful and inline with my thoughts.

[SkiLyft]

Ahhhh, still can’t get over how damn amazing the SE is!!! Yesterday’s runs are on replay in my head today!!

[TAFKALVS]

Too confusing

It’s super simple

SE116 is:

FL[intended user/style] + 116[waist width] + R[profile] + Standard[flex]

FL116 R Standard

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I think 3 “lines”, starting with ski style:

FL( Fall Line [traditional mounts, more technical skis] )

FL105, ZF/SE116, RC85 etc - all of these would become FL***

EX ( Experimental [powder shapes that are unique and don’t fit in any bucket)

UT122, FR132 - same ie EX132

PR ( Progressive [forward or progressive mounts, more playful shapes] )

FR110, AM100 - etc


Once inside the line of skis (FL, EX, PR) you would then pick camber profile (if multiple options exist) and flex (if multiple options exist)

3 profiles: RC (Rocker/camber), R (rocker with flat camber), and FR (full, curved rocker.)

Finally, stiffness:

Soft, Standard, Comp. The stiffness would be relative to the ski and classification rather than some sort of an absolute measurement.

So the SE 116 I have which are flat camber with rocker and the standard flex would become:

FL116 R Standard

The ZF 116 would become:

FL116 RC Comp

The RC95 would become:

FL95 CR Standard

The R110 would become:

PR110 R Standard

The FR110 would become:

PR110 FR Standard

Etc Etc Etc

A buyer can first ask, what type of skier or what is the goal of the design shape of ski I’m buying. Am I after a fall line ski or a more playful ski.

Then if options exist on rocker/camber, they can fine tune the on/off edge feel with a different profile. Do I want more suspension on hard snow or do I want a looser feel on soft snow.

And finally, flex can be ordered softer or stiffer (if the demand exists for this on a certain model) to fine tune to the skiers speed and bodyweight.


All of this could now be laid out nicely in a buyers guide, where a skier/buyer could easily determine what ski they want based on the above criteria without calling or emailing Marshal.

Never go full retard…

I don’t really think it’s hard to navigate the way it is. Fall Line, Progressive Freeride and Limited Edition is pretty easy to understand. The people interested in these skis are going to be able to find what they want within the three lineups and descriptions of the individual models.


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[NW_SKIER]

Or we could leave it alone and continue looking at pictures and measurements to pick a ski like the nerds that we are.

[SkiLyft]

Yeah, but it’s not LVS’s nomenclature so it’s sub optimal


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[TAFKALVS]

Never go full retard…

I don’t really think it’s hard to navigate the way it is. Fall Line, Progressive Freeride and Limited Edition is pretty easy to understand. The people interested in these skis are going to be able to find what they want within the three lineups and descriptions of the individual models.


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It’s literally simpler but precisely calls out the attributes of the ski with the same attributes transferred across multiple lines. [emoji849]

For the record I’m not confused other than I think Marshal offers too many variations on the same ski which is great for consumer choice but unneeded. It’s great for us nerds, but to the next tier of ski buyer it’s confusing, and also probably makes this whole thing less profitable for HL.

I’m sure the dudes I was skiing with yesterday would have gushed just as hard on the FR110 rather than the R110 they were on.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Or we could leave it alone and continue looking at pictures and measurements to pick a ski like the nerds that we are.

See above


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[TAFKALVS]

Yeah, but it’s not LVS’s nomenclature so it’s sub optimal


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That’s true.

Slash edition super comp full rocker 110 star ducker zero fucks.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

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[Marshal Olson]

I'm half way there.

Will be ready to share tomorrow.

Love the dialogue, thanks for all input!

[CascadeLuke]

Digging the BG replacement talk. Really after hot pow whores for my typical use case. Bit surprised people are making such a direct replacement- considering the tail width and delta of -18 (tip to tail) vs -10 on SE/ZF 116. Anyone care to add some color here?

[eSock]

So are the FR120STs or the ZF116s the goat killers?

[SkiLyft]

Depends on what attributes of the Billygoat you like and want to accentuate. Don’t rule out the SE in that too.


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[thefortrees]

It’s literally simpler but precisely calls out the attributes of the ski with the same attributes transferred across multiple lines. [emoji849]

For the record I’m not confused other than I think Marshal offers too many variations on the same ski which is great for consumer choice but unneeded. It’s great for us nerds, but to the next tier of ski buyer it’s confusing, and also probably makes this whole thing less profitable for HL.

I’m sure the dudes I was skiing with yesterday would have gushed just as hard on the FR110 rather than the R110 they were on.

What we really need is an HL version of the K2 mindbender 98s that you love so much

[Core Shot]

Everyone loves unsolicited advice so here's mine - get rid of all these initials for ski names and use real words so people can easily remember what ski is what. Example - instead of calling a ski a SE, call it Slash Edition. Or any word works.

Good point. Let me digest how to work toward that across the line, without it being even more confusing!

You broke my brain, homie.

But helpful and inline with my thoughts.

Hah. Good stuff there.

But I agree on naming. Ski 1112.87.8.0 isn’t inspiring. But your skis are.
Even if you keep FL for example, it’s not hard to put that on the website as Fall Line
It’s a good idea for newbs to understand your lineup as the brand expands