Ukraine

[MultiVerse]

Multi, my position has not changed, Ive actually been the only person in here who has agreed with bidens policy of restraint. You’ll attack me, but not him. Even when he holds back for an election. lol you guys have zero to say about that.

Not true. Just this week I criticized the Biden admin for pre-announcing ATACMS policy. Meanwhile your original position was for Ukraine to surrender unconditionally to the inevitable complete Russian takeover of Ukraine. That's Rod's position. He hasn't changed his views. Is that still your position?

[summit]

long range strikes ... I think for a lame duck president, it’s totally irresponsible at this point.

You really should watch this:

He talks about why it isn't irresponsible at this point, why it might be the most responsible time, minimally escalatory, and useful option for triggering negotiations. I think you'd really like that video. He covers a whole host of options for the Trump admin to push each side. It really is worth your time. He also details Russian advances.

It's very much worth your time (and everyone else in this thread should watch it too).

[twat]

You’re all emboldening Putin with your trump will cut off Ukraine shit. Yet, you have no clue what he will do.

Multi, my position has not changed, Ive actually been the only person in here who has agreed with bidens policy of restraint. You’ll attack me, but not him. Even when he holds back for an election. lol you guys have zero to say about that.

I’m just fucking with you guys about the long range strikes, to see if any of you will critique Biden, and you won’t. I think for a lame duck president, it’s totally irresponsible at this point.

Ukraine is not your first priority, never has been. Your own personal feelings have been involved from day 1. You should have recused yourselves in the name of trump/ Putin delusion.

You trolling?

[MultiVerse]

He talks about why it isn't irresponsible at this point, why it might be the most responsible time, minimally escalatory, and useful option for triggering negotiations. I think you'd really like that video. He covers a whole host of options for the Trump admin to push each side. It really is worth your time. He also details Russian advances.

It's a good listen. Instead of bleating about escalation, there's a better scenario where Biden takes advantage of his lame duck status to provide incoming President Trump a stronger hand. Of course, a stronger hand is unacceptable if the intent is to bully Ukraine into taking a bad deal...

[rod9301]

You’re all emboldening Putin with your trump will cut off Ukraine shit. Yet, you have no clue what he will do.

Multi, my position has not changed, Ive actually been the only person in here who has agreed with bidens policy of restraint. You’ll attack me, but not him. Even when he holds back for an election. lol you guys have zero to say about that.

I’m just fucking with you guys about the long range strikes, to see if any of you will critique Biden, and you won’t. I think for a lame duck president, it’s totally irresponsible at this point.

Ukraine is not your first priority, never has been. Your own personal feelings have been involved from day 1. You should have recused yourselves in the name of trump/ Putin delusion.

I agree that Biden did an asshole thing. It's customary that when a CEO or president of the us is in his way out he consults with his replacement on important decisions.

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[MultiVerse]

lol, Trump isn't in office for another two months and Putin's biggest supporters already chiming in. Yet again, all the whinging about escalation crying out from Moscow is nothing but a bluff

[Casey E]

I agree that Biden did an asshole thing. It's customary that when a CEO or president of the us is in his way out he consults with his replacement on important decisions.

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The same common courtesy Trump had on his way out.

Let the mongol hordes loose on Europe! The whole NK pact is an abomination between abhorrents, and a response is warranted, but too little too late is the worry now. Putin could grind up 10k NK’s in a week at this rate, and keep going.

[Cisco Kid]

I agree that Biden did an asshole thing. It's customary that when a CEO or president of the us is in his way out he consults with his replacement on important decisions.

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Yeah, except donnie said N O to the transition teams meeting and NO to meetings with Joe. He did agree to that photo op with Joe to try and put the world leaders at ease. So there's that.

[dan_pdx]

Yeah, except donnie said N O to the transition teams meeting and NO to meetings with Joe. He did agree to that photo op with Joe to try and put the world leaders at ease. So there's that.

Well you couldn't expect the don to sit down with a warmonger, could you?

[twat]

It all sounds like, Europe has to emancipate from Uncle Sam. Well EU leaders have to make decisions. That’s it.

[skaredshtles]

You trolling?

That's what he does. He doesn't do anything else.

[Meconium]

Yi Peng 3. It will be interesting to see how the Swedes or Danish handle the situation.

[MakersTeleMark]

Yi Peng 3. It will be interesting to see how the Swedes or Danish handle the situation.

I bet they fixed the cable.

[Viva]

Yeah, except donnie said N O to the transition teams meeting and NO to meetings with Joe. He did agree to that photo op with Joe to try and put the world leaders at ease. So there's that.

As for Trump, his schtick is more self-promotion than constructivism. For now, he has no political authority, only the power of his own caucus and his personal spectacle. Still, he could use this moment to at least articulate what his goal for Ukraine might be, as a way to prepare for negotiations to come with other NATO nations, and with Ukraine herself.

Not holding my breath.

[frorider]

articulate

Lol

[summit]

Yi Peng 3. It will be interesting to see how the Swedes or Danish handle the situation.

Captain Lui right after hanging up the satphone with PLAN DI: "Oh it was this seaman Ivanovich's fault 100%. He sabatoged the anchor. We knew nothing of his GRU connections. You can have him and let us be on our way."

[jono]

You really should watch this:

He talks about why it isn't irresponsible at this point, why it might be the most responsible time, minimally escalatory, and useful option for triggering negotiations. I think you'd really like that video. He covers a whole host of options for the Trump admin to push each side. It really is worth your time. He also details Russian advances.

It's very much worth your time (and everyone else in this thread should watch it too).

Thanks for posting, I have to agree that was the best analysis I've seen from him, and he's always good. He did well to skip trying to predict Trump as a non-American (lucky bastard), but in the process leaves out an elephant in the room: Biden has to be careful not to give Trump a clear policy or he's likely to reverse it just to distance himself from Biden. Or at least, that has to be part of the Biden admin's calculus.

[jono]

I bet they fixed the cable.

Golf clap

[Meconium]

Strangely, I prefer Perun at 1 or slower speed. Always quality stuff and a listenable voice, but his cadence is odd. Like almost text to voice AI.

[jono]

Strangely, I prefer Perun at 1 or slower speed. Always quality stuff and a listenable voice, but his cadence is odd. Like almost text to voice AI.

That's wild. I don't even know what he sounds like at regular speed, I crank that up before he even starts to talk.

[Cono Este]

Man, waiting for the election before escalating. Low, low, low.


How many Ukrainians die per day?

[summit]

Man, waiting for the election before escalating.

Watch the vid.

[twat]

I thought he was from Peru? Or was it Chile? Maybe Ecuador?

Almost forgot!!! : ) in the 50years thread he mentioned he is Jewish.

[Cono Este]

Not true. Just this week I criticized the Biden admin for pre-announcing ATACMS policy. Meanwhile your original position was for Ukraine to surrender unconditionally to the inevitable complete Russian takeover of Ukraine. That's Rod's position. He hasn't changed his views. Is that still your position?

Show me where I ever said that you fat sack of shit liar.

[m2711c]

bless your heart