Electric Bike Thread

[jackstraw]

I think it just varies a lot from trail to trail.

The long backcountry epic that gets more maintenance because it's easier to access on an ebike? Clearly ebikes are a net benefit to the trail condition.

The local flow trail that's easily accessible and gets a ton of traffic even without ebikes? More traffic and heavier bikes are definitely a net negative.

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Yeah, exactly.

Meanwhile, I keep looking at a Bullit [emoji16] The eeb crew (who are the local old school builders) ride Thursday nights and I need to join the party. One guy just got the hook from specialsauce with a Soil Searching eeb. He deserves it on the amount of work he does.

[XXX-er]

I think it just varies a lot from trail to trail.

The long backcountry epic that gets more maintenance because it's easier to access on an ebike? Clearly ebikes are a net benefit to the trail condition.

The local flow trail that's easily accessible and gets a ton of traffic even without ebikes? More traffic and heavier bikes are definitely a net negative.

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I get up on the furthest-out trail cuz its easy enough often I notice I am the only person who gets out there between craft brew pints

the average E -bike that gets on bike trails is 52 lbs so thats an extra 15-20 lbs over an acoustic bike while the heaviest part of the bike is usually the rider, so logicaly trail acess for the fat fucks should be limited

[XXX-er]

Yeah, exactly.

Meanwhile, I keep looking at a Bullit [emoji16] The eeb crew (who are the local old school builders) ride Thursday nights and I need to join the party. One guy just got the hook from specialsauce with a Soil Searching eeb. He deserves it on the amount of work he does.

My Bullit is >3 yrs old its basicly a Nomad with a motor, the specs say its for going fast which it does but IME it goes slow just fine ... highly recommended

[toast2266]

I remember youre not an anti, just adding stats. I have a few friends with a few different trail building companies. Theyre all on emtbs , especially when building. Theyve added a lot of trail mileage. If a reg eeber does 2-3x as much work and a few ambitious trail companies, that use eebs to build, make a sizeable contrubution to trail inventory that should cover the previous trails over use or atleast close, on average

In the U.S., getting new legal trail built is 95% about the bureaucratic hurdles that have to be jumped over before a shovel hits dirt. Ebikes making access to the dig site easier is nice, but looking at the whole process, it's such an inconsequential bonus that it makes zero difference.

They're great for building illegal trail though.

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[XXX-er]

Would the added maintenance attributed go people having emtb's and the added miles of trail built quicker because of emtb's make that simple math not so simple? I know that i do atleast twice, and probably closer to three x, as much trail work, both in planned days and during my regular rides

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A guy who got in some shit/ posts on TGR sometime told me " DO NOT EVER build anything illegaly "

I would say all the builders I have seen are e-bike assisted

Localy the area is on crown land so an MOF ( or Lands or wtf they are calling themselves this week) person talks to an association person about plans and shit, reports are written, eventualy there are grants written and often during " march madness " a big $$$$$$ grant is announced, in the summer a company is hired with the grant money and I think that is how its happening all over BC, MOF managers are given a budget to spend money on local rec initiatives for trails /mtb trails/ camp grounds/ climbing areas or WTF

the mini hoe operater laughed and said to me " we are doing the lords work here man "

I made some coin on the program as the stick bitch where we layed out a camp ground

[ironhippy]

I bought a coleman mini bike to access the trails for maintenance, I probably should have saved up and bought a full on e-bike, I'd be able to get way deeper into the trail system.

[m2711c]

hows it go? looks like fun.

[grinch]

In the U.S., getting new legal trail built is 95% about the bureaucratic hurdles that have to be jumped over before a shovel hits dirt. Ebikes making access to the dig site easier is nice, but looking at the whole process, it's such an inconsequential bonus that it makes zero difference.

They're great for building illegal trail though.

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They use them for a reason. Its faster/more efficient= more trail. Whether thats access with tools, clearing deadfall w saws, or sessioning there new jumps to make sure they work on flow/jump trails. They arent saying "maybe ill take the emtb today?" There is no question what they are taking and for good reason. I have no concrete numbers but id be interested in seeing them. I dont think its a one off situation but rather fairly established and growing. Im not just seeing friends companies. Im seeing that 1, 2, or 5 guys that are the local keener vollies getting it done relying on eebs. It has to allow for more work done. Of course theyre still doing the same paper work and that hasnt changed. Itll take some serious math to blame emtbs for excess erosion at this point

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[toast2266]

They use them for a reason. Its faster/more efficient= more trail.

No.

1) a huge percentage of trail in the US isn't legal for ebikes. Most land managers won't let builders use ebikes for access on non-ebike legal trails.

2) if they're building new trail, builders getting into the build site faster / easier doesn't make any difference in how much trail they're allowed to build. It maybe means they're finishing the build a little quicker, but that doesn't translate to more miles of trail built.

But for maintenance on ebike legal trail, yes. Ebikes are great. No argument there.

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[ironhippy]

hows it go? looks like fun.

It's fun, but the stock setup is not great. I bought a torque converter a few years ago but still haven't installed it yet, that will get me more low end torque which will allow me to crawl at slower speeds and should give a bit of a higher top end speed.

Anytime the trail isn't smooth, it's pretty hard to control, I tend to stick to the double track.

[jm2e]

DJI Avinox system looks like an inflection point for ebikes. More power, less weight, smaller profile. Even if they haven't perfected it yet, should be a wake up call to the industry that tech nerds are better at making electric stuff than bike mechanics. I'm looking forward to whenever this gets into real bikes.

[Andeh]

The reviews I've seen of it make it sound like the motor / system is pretty good, but the bike itself is a noodle. And I have to wonder what the warranty experience with DJI is like.

[Bunion 2020]

After this week….I’m all out of arguing.

This, go ride your electric motorcycle and STFU.

[Shredhead]

Ebike use in Aspen has exploded in the last few years. Mostly for commuting. I don't see a lot of poachers on the single track.
I do see a lot of class 3 on the Multi Use Trails, but nobody really cares.

Pitkin County open space won't maintain the main commuting MUT between Snowmass and Aspen in the winter.
Only about three miles of trail needs
packing, so I'm trying to do it on my FATe by myself.
Yesterday I saw my first Amish
fat bikes on it. I guarantee they wouldn't be there , if I hadn't packed it out previously,

[Bronco]

Just received this regarding our 18 month old bikes. Kind of annoying!

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[jm2e]

The reviews I've seen of it make it sound like the motor / system is pretty good, but the bike itself is a noodle. And I have to wonder what the warranty experience with DJI is like.

My understanding is they have no interest in selling bikes. But they needed something to showcase the technology with. Guessing it’ll be bought by a big player.


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[telefreewasatch]

Howdy, all. Not much of a biker and don't know shit about e-bikes.
Looking for and giving thanks for any advice in advance.
I have a Ford Transit which I want to put 2 bikes under the bed in a space 5' long, 28" high, and 30"wide, with the front wheels off and forks clamped to the floor.
So, I guess I don't want front disk brakes for ease of wheel removal?
The purpose of the bikes is to get us to the end of roads that the Transit is unable to for hiking and backpacking.
Gonna try to arrange a method of carrying a large dog as well...
Are those 20" wheel bikes worth a shit for what I want?
Any better bikes that might fit the space I have under the bed?
Recommended brands?
Thanks again, Jimmy

[Brasso]

Front disk brakes are mounted to the front wheel hubs themselves and aren't any harder to take off than (gross) mechanical brakes. You will definitely want a quick release front axle, which may or may not come on your ebike of choice. If not, you can easily pick one up for $20 or so.

[XXX-er]

Howdy, all. Not much of a biker and don't know shit about e-bikes.
Looking for and giving thanks for any advice in advance.
I have a Ford Transit which I want to put 2 bikes under the bed in a space 5' long, 28" high, and 30"wide, with the front wheels off and forks clamped to the floor.
So, I guess I don't want front disk brakes for ease of wheel removal?
The purpose of the bikes is to get us to the end of roads that the Transit is unable to for hiking and backpacking.
Gonna try to arrange a method of carrying a large dog as well...
Are those 20" wheel bikes worth a shit for what I want?
Any better bikes that might fit the space I have under the bed?
Recommended brands?
Thanks again, Jimmy

You will end up with a bike that has disc brakes either hydralic or mechanical but if it has hydralic disc brakes when you take a wheel off you must put something between the brake pads, OR the pads could be forced out so the fluid could splooge out past the pistons and you would need a brake service/ bleed but this doesnt happen with mechanical disc brakes

20" wheels might be pretty small on a rough trail, sounds like you are looking for one of the cheaper brands

[Bunion 2020]

https://newatlas.com/outdoors/e-skim...ectric-assist/

[grinch]

They weigh less than id imagine. Probably won't get too far in unconsolidated snow in "3hours" though. Useful tool on occasion possibly

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[RoooR]

My understanding is they have no interest in selling bikes. But they needed something to showcase the technology with. Guessing it’ll be bought by a big player.


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Seems like that motor is making it's way into some Forbidden models. A dreadnaught with that kinda wattage might be enough to covert me.

[toast2266]

Rumor mill says specialized is coming out with new stuff this spring. Supposedly light-ish (sub 50lbs) but with big batteries (over 1000 wh). Not sure if they're getting there with additional speed holes or if they have some new battery tech.

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[rideit]

Lightweight parts of dubious strength/durability may be entering the chat.

[mildbill.]

Supposedly light-ish (sub 50lbs) but with big batteries (over 1000 wh).

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Only one of these things matters.

Edit to add: Yesterday I picked my kids up at school at the base of the 1200' climb to the top of our local trail system - as I was sitting in the pickup zone a guy on a SL ebike came by.

I drove my kids home, sent some emails, got my gear on, headed out from a similar elevation, passed the guy on my way up my first 600' lap from the top, and passed him again on the way up my second 600' lap before he even got to the top 1x and dropped in.

[/chucks bomb] SL ebikes are dumb.