Electric Bike Thread

[Peruvian]

Any experienced e-bikers have thoughts on these cheap replacement chargers for an inexpensive ebike?

[XXX-er]

Any experienced e-bikers have thoughts on these cheap replacement chargers for an inexpensive ebike?

It might be ok and it might start a battery fire

[grinch]

The Crestline owners are super responsive and helpful. I was really interested in their eeb when I wanted to get rid of my Levo, but wanted to go down to something midpower. Their bike with a midpower Bosch would be sick. I'm sold on midpower - my Heckler SL is more poppy and playful than my Nomad now.

Good to hear the fazua is working well for you. That bike weight is perfection IMO.
I cant see why the crestline guys wouldnt be able to sell their bike with an SX. I hink the bosch batteries are compatible with both the cx and sx and i believe, not positive, the new gen 5 mount pattern will be the same with the cx and sx.

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[jm2e]

What bikes/motors did you rent? What kind of problems? Did they have big mileage on those rental darts? Sucks you had to deal with that on a vacation. They could be the perfect tool to explore a new zone if they didnt have those issues
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I didn’t look at the odometers. Realistically, they were previous season bikes.
Last year it was Giant. One day a battery didn’t charge overnight. Another day the whole thing just stopped working.
This year it was Cube. One had something loose janky around the motor that created a horrible knocking on any rough terrain. I also had to wrap the whole down tube in Velcro because the battery covers were constantly loose. Then one bike would intermittently shut off. Eventually we were stranded half way around a big loop in the Dolomites, two closed lifts away from the finish and/or several thousand feet of climbing from the hotel with the sun going down. Called the hotel, the hotel called a taxi, the taxi brought us in for 100€, and about a 45min drive.
Rented an Orbea Rise light Ebike one day toward the end. Light e-bikes are stupid. It’s like saying, I want a bike that’s heavier than my analog bike, but not super heavy, and I want almost none of the benefit of a motor. Super nice bike. Just a stupid concept.
For next year, we’re thinking about buying Specialized batteries through a shop in Italy and bringing our Levos with batteries pulled out. Our friends could keep the batteries at their place. Not sure if it’s really that detrimental to have a battery sit idle for 12mo at a time. Not sure if there’s any risk of airline rejection of a battery-less Ebike.


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[rideit]

Not sure if this fits your needs, but it is an option.

https://www.atlasrideco.com/extras/e-bike-battery-hire

Basically $20 a day until 6 days, then $10 a day. (Something like that)

[jm2e]

Not sure if this fits your needs, but it is an option.

https://www.atlasrideco.com/extras/e-bike-battery-hire

Basically $20 a day until 6 days, then $10 a day. (Something like that)

Yea, I reached out to those guys to see if they could deliver batteries to where we go in Northern Italy. They said “If you ever come to Finale, we’re happy to help you”


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I didn’t look at the odometers. Realistically, they were previous season bikes.
Last year it was Giant. One day a battery didn’t charge overnight. Another day the whole thing just stopped working.
This year it was Cube. One had something loose janky around the motor that created a horrible knocking on any rough terrain. I also had to wrap the whole down tube in Velcro because the battery covers were constantly loose. Then one bike would intermittently shut off. Eventually we were stranded half way around a big loop in the Dolomites, two closed lifts away from the finish and/or several thousand feet of climbing from the hotel with the sun going down. Called the hotel, the hotel called a taxi, the taxi brought us in for 100€, and about a 45min drive.
Rented an Orbea Rise light Ebike one day toward the end. Light e-bikes are stupid. It’s like saying, I want a bike that’s heavier than my analog bike, but not super heavy, and I want almost none of the benefit of a motor. Super nice bike. Just a stupid concept.
For next year, we’re thinking about buying Specialized batteries through a shop in Italy and bringing our Levos with batteries pulled out. Our friends could keep the batteries at their place. Not sure if it’s really that detrimental to have a battery sit idle for 12mo at a time. Not sure if there’s any risk of airline rejection of a battery-less Ebike.


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Damn, that sux.Must be a pita having to rent those as well. I saw a youtuber renting a cube enduro bike in italy. Bad creak. He ended up getting sorted but the thing was clapped out bad. Quite a few strange warrantee refusals from cube over on the eeb forum. I dont think theyre sold in canada now, possibly related. Too bad, they look ok and decent price.

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Bro sez to me hey i got juniors e-bike lets go man ! except junior didn't charge it or his buddy didnt charge it or sft, they are drug dealers so the ride got cut short, again managing the E part is another thing to go rong

My battery always gets charged (unless i forgot to plug it in) and I have checks ... plug-in/ listen for beep/ check display/ look for orange light on charger and in the morning power up check for 5 bars.

I'm a boring old fuck so I don't want adventures in servicing, I don't want sketchy shit, I want a bike that has the dealer in my town, or at least an internet brand that will pay my LBS

I can't really tell if a bike is OK by looking at it and I don't think anyone can

[grinch]

Haa, classic
Bet your shop would love to sell you a crestline. Just sayin'
That being said you have a good bike. Small parts(wires etc) for shimano can be found online if the distributor doesnt have stock. SC probably has batteries. Motors may take a bit from shimano canada or they have something in stock. YT usa stepped in and got me a motor from shimano canada in less than a week. Worst case , ive been following that polish doods fb page for a few years now and he probably sells 20-30 motors a month. E8000, e7000, ep6 and ep8. The latest were a bunch of ep8's with 100-300km on them and an unused one from guys that converted to ep801. Not sure where they were able to buy ep801 systems. Some motors he's repaired the gear inside or bearings or whatever. Usually he improves the seal and bearing and added seal with a special grease he uses. Ill probably try him when the need arises

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[grinch]

This guy. He repairs as well, if possible. Not sure if shipping, to and fro, would keep the price within reason or not for a repair

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/Vu2...ibextid=oFDknk

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Rented an Orbea Rise light Ebike one day toward the end, you want it ". Light e-bikes are stupid. It’s like saying, I want a bike that’s heavier than my analog bike, but not super heavy, and I want almost none of the benefit of a motor. Super nice bike. Just a stupid concept. ]

I don't see light/ poppy/ playful in that rant ^^ you havent got any of the correct buzz words in there

But seriuosly I agree 100% with your statement so while i don't get " it " either there are people out there who seem to be buying it

I ordered one of those Orbea Rise light E-bikes which would have taken forever to show up, in any case I e-mailed shop bro and wondered if I should just be going big or going home?

he shot me a pict of the Bullit in really good lighting and said " this came in today, do you want it ? " cha- ching and I have never regreted going big

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Haa, classic
Bet your shop would love to sell you a crestline. Just sayin'
That being said you have a good bike. Small parts(wires etc) for shimano can be found online if the distributor doesnt have stock. SC probably has batteries. Motors may take a bit from shimano canada or they have something in stock. YT usa stepped in and got me a motor from shimano canada in less than a week. Worst case , ive been following that polish doods fb page for a few years now and he probably sells 20-30 motors a month.

My LBS is well estblished selling a whole shwack of SC/ Giant/ Kona so I do not think they would love to sell me a Crestline, even if the margins are super good, do they wana compete against their established brands and who has ever heard of Crestline I had to check to see if its one of them hub drive bikes made out of Chinesium

I've read that polish guy's posts on the Shimano site he makes a lot of sense especialy in comparison to those brits who think they know why a motor fails but I don't wana buy a used electric motor from Poland

I bought the new cable and a charge port ( don't try to move the pedals with the charger plugged in ! ) off the internet but I don't see EP8 motors yet

edit: if anyone from SC is reading this IME they could sell even more bikes by painting them lavender, half the women I pass on the trail or in the P-lot comment that they LOVE the color

[grinch]

I wish there was a n american motor service center. It'd be nice to have 2 motors. Send one in for the occasional regrease and bearing overhaul and have a fresh one waoting

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I wish there was an american motor service center. It'd be nice to have 2 motors. Send one in for the occasional regrease and bearing overhaul and have a fresh one waiting ]

sure some folks with bad luck have kacked multiple motors but such has not been the case for me, I duno if E-bike motors actualy breakdown and/or need overhaul as much as we think from simply reading about dead motors on the forums , so who really needs a spare motor ?

We don't know how many motors are out there or how many of them have failed, then there are half a doz brands and several models for each of those brand so I don't know how it makes sense to do the service ?

Back when I wrenched for the mother corp we had a spare pool of everything in Toro which makes more sense to me than keeping a spare around ?

OTOH my luck with DW's has been abysmal, sure I know Bosch makes the best DW's but I have broken 2 in < 1 yr so does bosch suck or am I just karmicaly challenged on the DW front ?

at least they are on warranty

[grinch]

Bearings dont have an indefinite life so any of the motors are running on borrowed time. On average , frames should outlast them. I think scoring a cheap spare would ez motor failure anxiety and help a lot with reselling an emtb , rather than just binning it, even if you end up not needing it.
I wish polini sold a bike with their motor in N america. You can get any part at any time from them and theyre built to last. They call tgem built for a lifetime. Supposedly they absolutely haul the mail as well. Im not sure but i think they may even use the shimano mount pattern

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Is it bearings or sensors, I read about a whole bunch of dead motors with E010 which indicates sensors from the error codes, a failure that might be bearings i see not so much, but we don't really know how an EP8fails or exaclty what polish bro does and then there are still 5 brands with several models ?

i had E010 which I fixed with firmware update after which its been fine for 2 years, i only run mine in boost to keep it spinning so less load on the bearings but who knows if its better or worse ?

Binning ? you sound like one of those fucking brits on the shimano user site, this is Canada eh, please don't start sodding or bricking

[rideit]

Said by someone who just used ‘kacked’…

[grinch]

Haaa ya prob spend too much time their.
Ya tourque sensor is a biggy. Basically unrepairable. Bearings do go, and an internsl gear sometimes and water ingress can wear out the axle and sleave and ruin the mother board. Everything ,apart from the tourque sensor, is where a maintenance center can be a benefit. Break the seal and clean the shit out, replace anything if need be, use that special sealing grease, new gasket and should be gtg for a while. I think the tourque sensor can detach unexpectedly but i think the major thing that detaches the tourque sensor, and also damages bearings, is a hard pedal case on a rock at speed. I think that played apart in my first motor e010/tourque sensor. I nailed a rock pedaling at speed and it jacked me and tge bike thru the air for a while. Ive heard others point to that as a cause as well. Its tge nature of an emtb to be pedaling thru chunder at higher speed more often than an acoustic bike. Thats why most all the racers go to a 155 or even 150 crank. Suspension sits more into the travel as well. I have pedal strikes on flatish rocky terrain most often. Thats where im trying to carry speed. The ratio of motor power output compared to leg power output is quite skewed to motor power output so long cranks for leverage are unnecessary and just get in the way when youre trying to keep momentum. Guys much taller than me have settled on 155's. Another thing im going to stick with is miranda cranks. Theyre dirt cheap and theyre not as stiff as gooch aftermarket cranks. Mine have last well but they can bend. I finally just tweaked one last week nailing a rock trying to keep up to an ultra fit buddeh on a 90nm levo. Head down and on the struggle bus and tagged a hidden rock. I agree with others that mirandas could save a motor like a breakaway der hanger could save a der. $75 cranks rather thsn a 1k motor. Mine have lasted for 4 years and the one is only slightly tweaked but theres my reason to go to 152 or 155 from my current 160's. Better ride, safer and more durable

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[grinch]

^^War and peaces missing chapter

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[rideit]

Ok, I came up with an idea for a mod. If I could rig up a small pressure pad under the saddle, that immediately switched your assist from walk-mode to Trail or Trail+, that would be super duper neato.
We have all hopped back on, ready to give ‘er the beans on some steep slope, and the bike is still in walk or 0 assist.
Hella frustrating.

Anyone with me on this?

“This bike is ASS-isted!”

[jm2e]

Don’t over think it. Everything with e-bikes is overthought. They don’t need an onboard computer. They don’t need to think. They don’t need 17 power levels.
They need three buttons.
1) Up. It only needs to do one thing.
2) Down. It only needs to do one thing.
3) Walk. You’re either walking, or you’re not walking. But you shouldn’t need to do anything more complicated than just pushing a dedicated button and holding it down. When you let go ……. It stops walking.


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[grinch]

Sounds like something pinion will do at some point

https://youtu.be/z7xEE76tno8?si=qTc9p-JSfxL3pPrp

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[rideit]

Don’t over think it. Everything with e-bikes is overthought. They don’t need an onboard computer. They don’t need to think. They don’t need 17 power levels.
They need three buttons.
1) Up. It only needs to do one thing.
2) Down. It only needs to do one thing.
3) Walk. You’re either walking, or you’re not walking. But you shouldn’t need to do anything more complicated than just pushing a dedicated button and holding it down. When you let go ……. It stops walking.


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Right. And then does fuck all, until you toggle through the assist levels back to trail or whatever. Which easily is overlooked.
Maybe it’s just that the Rocky walk mode sucks, lol.

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Duno about them other brands but my Shimano EP8 is a computer with 2 wheels and i know this cuz when I spark up E-toobe it tells me the status of the 5 pieces of firmware, how much of it is necessary who can say ?

[grinch]

Pinion prob has tge best walk mode. When you go and try to use walk mode on shimano youre already in too ez of a gear. You have to lift the rear wheel on a steep slope(ususlly) and spin it into a higher gear to make walk mode noticeable. Pinion mgu it auto shifts into an appropriate gear

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