If only there was something we could do...

[leroy jenkins]

You misunderstand.

Privatizing morals leave the society freaked and the authoritarians pray (sic) on that. I think it's an excellent argument.

Authoritarian societies are all inherently collectivist. For the good of us all, you must give up your rights. You're confusing isolated people being easy to control, with individualism. Isolated does not mean individualist.

That article has some word salad mental gymnasitcs I can tell you like, but where are the historical examples of highly individualistic societies that somehow morphoned into authoritarian? Every example of authoritiarnism in history is collectivist.

[Meadow Skipper]

You guys have all also said you're not interested in compromise. Compromise to you is gun owners giving up their righst, and you not compromising.

What are you willing to give up? Nothing right? got it.

Show me where I wrote I wasn’t interested in compromise, you fucking liar.

Leroy is a liar.

ok so youre not saying you're interested in compromise at all. You're just criticizing me for not being interested in compromise. Totally makes sense now.

I wasn't lying, i just gave you the benefit of a doubt of assuming SOME level of accountability rather than just PURE hypocrisy. I know now I was very wrong to do so.

"Compromise' means you just get everything you want and control over others and they just smile?

Sober up, Leroy. You’re not any good at playing word games. You lied. You’re a liar. You said I wasn’t interested in compromise, and I didn’t say that and neither did anyone else. That makes you a liar. As a liar, you deserve no respect at all. You get no respect at all, because you lied.

Let me be clear - you said I wasn’t interested in compromise, I quoted and bolded it above. You can’t show me where I said I wasn’t interested in compromise, or anyone else, because that didn’t happen, so that makes you a liar. I’m guessing you’re making shit up in a dishonest attempt to bolster your fatuous position.

Leroy is a liar, a punk. Live with that. Fuck off, punk.

[Buster Highmen]

A monarchy is authoritarian. It is not in any way collectivist. You just don't understand much. Brooks has an interesting perspective.

[leroy jenkins]

Sober up, Leroy. You’re not any good at playing word games. You lied. You’re a liar. You said I wasn’t interested in compromise, and I didn’t say that and neither did anyone else. That makes you a liar. As a liar, you deserve no respect at all. You get no respect at all, because you lied.

Let me be clear - you said I wasn’t interested in compromise, I quoted and bolded it above. You can’t show me where I said I wasn’t interested in compromise, or anyone else, because that didn’t happen, so that makes you a liar. I’m guessing you’re making shit up in a dishonest attempt to bolster your fatuous position.

Leroy is a liar, a punk. Live with that. Fuck off, punk.

OK, so how exactly are you willing to compromise?

[leroy jenkins]

A monarchy is authoritarian. It is not in any way collectivist. You just don't understand much. Brooks has an interesting perspective.

Monarchies are more feudalistic than purely authoritarian. they're also mostly a thing of the past. They surely aren't individualism run amok.

In modern times, authoritarian countries are all collectivist.

[m2711c]

Liar.



fact.

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Monarchies are more feudalistic than purely authoritarian. they're also mostly a thing of the past. They surely aren't individualism run amok.

In modern times, authoritarian countries are all collectivist.

more "it-feels-like-it-to-me" facts?
jfc

[Buster Highmen]

I gave a counterexample to your claim.

By definition, all authoritarian countries are not collectivist. Many autocracies masquerading as communist countries. Everyone reasonable person knows that.

The references to the privatization or individualization of morals addresses modern societies and the USA in particular.
Gun rights for example.
Abortion for example.
Religion in schools for example.

And so on.

A lot of hot topic items on which the USA used to have better consensus before being manipulated by the NRA, Fox News and The Churches as well as a host of other bad actors seeking to create division from which they can profit.

That's as patient as I can be for now. You can either continue to make an ass of yourself or actually make a reasonable remark.



Once again, you're proving an inability or refusal to understand the argument.

[Meadow Skipper]

OK, so how exactly are you willing to compromise?

Why, Leroy, would I want to try to discuss anything with a proven liar, or answer that question for a troll that has stated they are not interested in compromise?

It would be a waste of my time, you fucking worthless, transparent troll. I’d only discuss this sort of thing seriously with someone reasonable and worthy of respect. You get no respect. You are a liar, and I find it worthwhile only to let people here know that.

Earn respect by being honest and showing you aren’t a waste of effort and maybe a discussion could happen. You’re way, way behind the curve on that. Go away.

[leroy jenkins]

more "it-feels-like-it-to-me" facts?
jfc

Whic is the same as saying monarchies are individualistic?

[leroy jenkins]

I gave a counterexample to your claim.

By definition, all authoritarian countries are not collectivist. Many autocracies masquerading as communist countries. Everyone reasonable person knows that.

The references to the privatization or individualization of morals addresses modern societies and the USA in particular.
Gun rights for example.
Abortion for example.
Religion in schools for example.

And so on.

A lot of hot topic items on which the USA used to have better consensus before being manipulated by the NRA, Fox News and The Churches as well as a host of other bad actors seeking to create division from which they can profit.

That's as patient as I can be for now. You can either continue to make an ass of yourself or actually make a reasonable remark.



Once again, you're proving an inability or refusal to understand the argument.

What is this business about masquerading as communist? Communism becomes authoritarianism, it sin't a masquerade. ITs a 100% chance one leads to the other. It is inherent in that kind of collectivism.


Great, yea monarchies existed in the past, and still exist on paper today. They're basically irrelevant. Monarchies are not individualistic. Sure, I'll grant they aren't inherently collectivist, they're more just feudalist and oligarchical. So yea great you proved me wrong in the sense that I'm willing to walk back my statement to add the word 'modern' societies, becausewell, ancient shit just isn't relevant. but thanks. Modern authoritarian states are all collectivist. Put the leader and the country aheadof the individual, who doesn't get to have rights. And make sure they're unarmed.

[leroy jenkins]

Why, Leroy, would I want to try to discuss anything with a proven liar, or answer that question for a troll that has stated they are not interested in compromise?

It would be a waste of my time, you fucking worthless, transparent troll. I’d only discuss this sort of thing seriously with someone reasonable and worthy of respect. You get no respect. You are a liar, and I find it worthwhile only to let people here know that.

Earn respect by being honest and showing you aren’t a waste of effort and maybe a discussion could happen. You’re way, way behind the curve on that. Go away.

Ok so you're not willing to compromise, or even talk about compromise, but want to cling to some sort of delusional higher ground and judge people who disagree with you for not being willing to compromise.

And you're not willing to have discourse, in search of solutions or compromise, but have all the itme in the world to just fight and insult and generally argue without debating anything, and all the time in the world to express and feel hatred for people who disagree with you.

You have communicated your values and priorities wonderfully, thank you.

I didn't lie, You aren't willing to compromise. It's apparent.

[m2711c]

Liar.



fact.

[Buster Highmen]

Examples of collectivist culture include Japan, Soth Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, India, Ghana and Guatemala. They're easy to look up as "collectivist".
None of them are authoritarian.

Authoritarian countries include Russia, Hungary, Turkey and Brunei. None of those countries are collectivist since their leaders each prioritize their inner circle of power and wealth and are for all intents and purposes monarchies with no actual concern for their population as a whole. By definition, collectivist cultures cannot have authoritarian leaders.

China and North Korea are also authoritarian and do fit the definition of collectivist, but that's more a function of the culture than the government.

So, it's not that simple and authoritarian countries are not generally collectivist.

Anyway, that's all irrelevant to the point Brooks makes regarding the privatization of morals bringing about fear and an increasing appeal of authoritarianism.

At least your statements are relevant to the claim of them being clumsy, lacking nuance, truth and seething with knee jerk new age sophistry.

[Meadow Skipper]

Ok so you're not willing to compromise, or even talk about compromise, but want to cling to some sort of delusional higher ground and judge people who disagree with you for not being willing to compromise.

And you're not willing to have discourse, in search of solutions or compromise, but have all the itme in the world to just fight and insult and generally argue without debating anything, and all the time in the world to express and feel hatred for people who disagree with you.

You have communicated your values and priorities wonderfully, thank you.

I didn't lie, You aren't willing to compromise. It's apparent.

Shove your stupid troll up your ass, you worthless fucking LIAR. You are dishonest so you get no respect here.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Leroy admitted troll and shameless liar


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[leroy jenkins]

Shove your stupid troll up your ass, you worthless fucking LIAR. You are dishonest so you get no respect here.

lol I lied because I asesumed you're not a hypoicrite and have some amount of intelectual honesty?


hahahahahha.

You made this shit personal when I had been nothing but respectful to you. You need to dismiss those you disagree with. Leftists increasingly cannot have interactions outside of an echo chamber, just too fragile.

Ok yea get it, you're not willing to compromise, but want to cling to some sort of high ground judging others for not being able to compromise. The not respecting others is the goal for you, the rest is just window dressing.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

More textbook NPD gaslighting.


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[Meadow Skipper]

More textbook NPD gaslighting.

Total gaslighting.

The kid’s either seriously broken or a complete and total asshole. And, of course, a seriously dishonest liar either way.

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LJ self-awareness displayed = 0

[Flounder]

The kid’s either seriously broken or a complete and total asshole. And, of course, a seriously dishonest liar either way.

I do feel bad for whatever’s gone wrong with his life to end up like this. Best case is he’s trolling and doesn’t believe the shit he posts but even that is a sad reflection of his life.

I watched this happen to a friend of mine I’ve known since high school. Turns out you can be an alpha through high school/college and turn into a complete beta in actual life. He lives a lonely life, pushing 60 without a date in almost 20 years. Surrounded by guns, stockpiled tens of thousands of rounds, and constantly shit posts our ski/bike text group about how much of an “American” he is. Sad life, working a shit job that he never takes time off of because when he does, he just gets shitfaced alone. Spends his internet time on AR15.com with his like minded incels. It’s not a happy life but it’s the one he has chosen. And of course it’s all Brandon’s fault.

I still enjoy biking and skiing with him. He’s smart enough to not talk about how Sandy Hook was a false flag operation anymore after I told him to shut the fuck up with that nonsense. It’s still a bummer to see someone descend that far over the years.

[PNWbrit]

The kid’s either seriously broken or a complete and total asshole. And, of course, a seriously dishonest liar either way.

All three.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

We’re all leftists with collectivist authoritarian mindset because as a community we’ve decided that Leroy is a full of shit troll who constantly lies and has admitted that he’s a troll and he’s taking joy in “triggering” us. It’s like he doesn’t understand how a community/civil society works.


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[m2711c]

yep.

[leroy jenkins]

Total gaslighting.

The kid’s either seriously broken or a complete and total asshole. And, of course, a seriously dishonest liar either way.

OK, so you're willing to compromise?

I didn't lie. I just assumed you weren't a 100% hypocrite, and I was obviously very wrong. I can admit when I'm wrong.

Yes I'm very broken. Obviously. lulz. Because I disagree with you about something. You were swearing at me in this thread before I had done anything other than disagree with you politely.



You are right about one thing though, youve convinced me to lose interest in compromise with people who think compromise is just me giving up my rights.