If only there was something we could do...

[Cisco Kid]

So sez mr black or white. Your desire/need for self flagellation is interesting.

[Flounder]

So sez mr black or white. Your desire/need for self flagellation is interesting.

Other than myself, probably the most aptly chosen username on TGR. Ignore what everyone else is saying and then run into the fray screaming LEEROY JENKINS!!! We all end up dead but at least he has chicken.

[leroy jenkins]

Other than myself, probably the most aptly chosen username on TGR. Ignore what everyone else is saying and then run into the fray screaming LEEROY JENKINS!!! We all end up dead but at least he has chicken.

Yea, I'm willingly entering an echo chamber to dissent. I know this is an incredibly foreign concept to people who's ideas require an echo chamber to exist.

This is in no way a dig at me, even if you think it is.

[leroy jenkins]

So sez mr black or white. Your desire/need for self flagellation is interesting.

I still want you to tell me who's going to do this door kicking you openly fantasize about when the cops won't be willing. Are you suggesting marshal law?


Talk about problematic. You guys make some 10k mile mental leaps to suggest maybe somewhere between the lines if you extrapolate what I say to the most absurd conclusion and insert in your own paranoia, something I say might be problematic because maybe possibly while this cuck is openly salivating over violence being done to peaceful fellow citizens under nationwide marshal law, while he hides in the closet and watches his wife spread her herpes.

Oh but the open fantasizing about violence is fine cus its against gun owners. And cus he's not willing to do the door kicking himself, that somehow makes it better and not just cowardly.

Theres no self flagellation. You flatter yourself immensely if you think you have any capability to strike a nerve with me. First, you'd have to say something that actually hit's home. Most of theshit you guys say, like calling me a confederacy apologist, are so off base I get a good chuckle.

[leroy jenkins]

It isn’t necessary to state it that way except to demonstrate the problem gun access creates. It isn’t an exaggeration or disingenuous to state in that manner because that is exactly the license granted when firearms are promoted as personal self defense and policies are instituted like stand your ground . There are no do-overs when using lethal force. Someone holding a gun can do whatever the fuck they want with it. Misuse it. Use it intentionally. Let others use it. Let others misuse it intentionally or unintentionally. The horse is out of the barn at that point.


No, it’s the logical and natural consequences for poor choices (in this case the poor policy choices that you promote here). They play out across the country and especially in places with more guns.

If this were true, we would have like 60% of the world's murders, since we have 60% of the world's small arms. Our rate of murder per gun is extremely low. This is you expressing a feeling of resentment and anxiety. Its not a 'natural conclusion' of anything.


Yea, people are free to do evil. Your comments seem less like anti gun, and more like an inability to cope with the fact you can't control others. This won't change, you won't legislate or resent your way to other people not being individuals separate from you with their own agency. Seriously, you're not even talking about guns, you're talking about humanity not existing in your fishbowl.


Fent kills like 20 times more people a year than gun murders here. Every major us bank has been caughtknowingly laundering cartel money. yet my rights are theproblem just because you have NPD and OCD? Nah dude no thanks.

but of luck in growing up and accepting other people are never going to be extensions of yourself.

[Cisco Kid]

Drunk posting is a different thread. Hey, one mag to another. Do what I and others here do, get some level of professional help. Talk to a pro. Your wildest dreams will come true, I promise.

[leroy jenkins]

Says the guy who openly fantasizes about violence being done to millions of his fellow americans.

I suggest the same for you. Really man. That shit is super dark. That isn't being anti gun. Thats something else.

I dont post when I'm drunk. I post when I'm on the exercise bike. I play guitar when I'm drunk. Thanks tho. I feel at peace with my fellow americans owning guns, and don't feel any desire to control others, or an inability to cope with the fact other people are individuals outside myself.

I also don't need to process my wife being a dumb diseased whore.

Did she fuck a gun guy? Is that what this is all about?

[Meadow Skipper]

…get some level of professional help. Talk to a pro. Your wildest dreams will come true, I promise.

Good advice. I’m beginning to be a little concerned about Leroy’s state of mind/mental health.

[k2skier112]

Why you guys bother to talk to a brainwashed cult member is beyond me

[dan_pdx]

I am a moderate on this issue. i have always been a moderate on this issue. You guys, and people like you, although there really aren't many, have gotten increasingly radicalized and extremist.

There really aren't many?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/513623/...-gun-laws.aspx

[k2skier112]

Cult members reject facts, fact

[Flounder]

Including the fact that many of us in this thread advocating for more regulation are gun owners. Instead he claims to speak for all gun owners claiming we don’t want regulation. Meanwhile his opinion is a minority among gun owners.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/1...icies-00062335

[::: :::]

It’s been his MO in here: trying to pass off his emotional truth instead of the actual facts

[nickwm21]

It’s almost like nuance exists - wild.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’m pretty sure Leroy doesn’t know what gaslighting, NPD and OCD are.


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[californiagrown]

Including the fact that many of us in this thread advocating for more regulation are gun owners. Instead he claims to speak for all gun owners claiming we don’t want regulation. Meanwhile his opinion is a minority among gun owners.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/1...icies-00062335

Haha right?

gunnuts argue that cars are as or more dangerous than guns. Fine, thats fair. Lets go with that despite the fact that cars are fairly necessary to function in american society, while guns are not.

With cars, there are all kinds of regulations and requirements to be able to legally own and operate a car including licenses, insurance, and registry. Is it really draconian gun law to want the same level of regulation that is already applied to a minivan, to be applied to guns? Heck, if you want an extended magazine, or a "big gun", just treat it again like cars and require the gun version of a CDL where you have to get some additional training and pass a separate test.

[MultiVerse]

FWIW, Motor vehicle traffic deaths:

• Number of deaths: 44,534
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.4

All firearm deaths:

• Number of deaths: 48,204
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 14.5

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

[::: :::]

Haha right?

gunnuts argue that cars are as or more dangerous than guns. Fine, thats fair. Lets go with that despite the fact that cars are fairly necessary to function in american society, while guns are not.

With cars, there are all kinds of regulations and requirements to be able to legally own and operate a car including licenses, insurance, and registry. Is it really draconian gun law to want the same level of regulation that is already applied to a minivan, to be applied to guns? Heck, if you want an extended magazine, or a "big gun", just treat it again like cars and require the gun version of a CDL where you have to get some additional training and pass a separate test.

this is the chart to reference:

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-ve...ths-and-rates/

and the slippery slope is: we continue to drive more & more in the face of more regulation

[Ted Striker]

Make the whole world safe? Impossible.

The rest of the first world already is safe. Even "2nd world" Chile has us beat.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

The rest of the first world already is safe. Even "2nd world" Chile has us beat.

But those are all totalitarian regimes and the people live with the boot heel of government perpetually on their necks.


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[anotherVTskibum]

Haha right?

gunnuts argue that cars are as or more dangerous than guns. Fine, thats fair. Lets go with that despite the fact that cars are fairly necessary to function in american society, while guns are not.

With cars, there are all kinds of regulations and requirements to be able to legally own and operate a car including licenses, insurance, and registry. Is it really draconian gun law to want the same level of regulation that is already applied to a minivan, to be applied to guns? Heck, if you want an extended magazine, or a "big gun", just treat it again like cars and require the gun version of a CDL where you have to get some additional training and pass a separate test.

So, just like cars and trucks, I don't need any paperwork to own one, use it around my property, or trailer it to a range or a friend's property and use it there? And once I get licensed, I'm good in all 50 states to carry anywhere anyone can and local equipment regulations are generally trumped but federal reciprocity, so Massachusetts can't apply their equipment standards to someone licensed in Wyoming?

In fact, we are more permissive with motor vehicles than we are guns. Motor vehicles generally only require licensing and registration for operation on public property and right of ways; if I wanted to have a semi in my yard and drive circles around the house, that would be legal. There are exceptions, particularly with respect to OHVs, but when it comes to cars and trucks, you generally have more freedoms with them than you do firearms.

All that said, I agree the data is clear that more guns comes with more gun deaths, and kinda like maternal mortality, we should be looking to change how we do things so that we're not beating out the rest of the first world.

[leroy jenkins]

Including the fact that many of us in this thread advocating for more regulation are gun owners. Instead he claims to speak for all gun owners claiming we don’t want regulation. Meanwhile his opinion is a minority among gun owners.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/1...icies-00062335

I've never claimed to speak for all gun owners? lol you just made that up. Find one statement I've made claiming to.


Yea, polls are always suuuuuper reliable. The crazier you guys get, the more you alienate moderates, and the ATF's recent attempts to undermine the legislative process are turning a lot of lifelong moderates and liberals forever against gun control.


Also, dude, nothing mentioned in that article as having some sort of popular support is remotely close to the extremist radicalized anti gun zealousness you guys espouse here. Everything in that article is moderate compared to you kooks. People support those convicted of violent crimes shouldn't have guns? Shocker, yea most 2a supporters are just fine with that. They aren't anarchists. lol you guys are silly.

Hmm, sure seems like you're claiming to speak for the majority of gun owners while misrepresenting their views. Turns out that you saying I was doing the same thing, isn't made up, its a projection! Digging the irony!


Truth is, virtually no americans are giving money to support gun control. Everytown tries to present itself as a grassroots movement, but the vast majority of its funding comes from billionares.

[leroy jenkins]

Haha right?

gunnuts argue that cars are as or more dangerous than guns. Fine, thats fair. Lets go with that despite the fact that cars are fairly necessary to function in american society, while guns are not.

With cars, there are all kinds of regulations and requirements to be able to legally own and operate a car including licenses, insurance, and registry. Is it really draconian gun law to want the same level of regulation that is already applied to a minivan, to be applied to guns? Heck, if you want an extended magazine, or a "big gun", just treat it again like cars and require the gun version of a CDL where you have to get some additional training and pass a separate test.

You're arguing against no one.



I'll argue that fent kills like 10 times more people eachyuear than guns do, including lawful self defense shootings and suicide by gun.

And every major US bank has been caught knowingly laundering cartel money. But you guys don't give a fuck about that.



Ok you want to regulate guns like cars? Your own description isn't accurate. A CCL isn't to purchase or possess a vehicle, or even operate it. Its to operate it on public roads for profit. You can buy all the cars you want as a 10 year old if you save up enough money on your paper route. And you can drive them as fast as you fucking want on private property, your own or a track.

You can't even express your own ideas in a way that makes a basic amount of sense. Thats the worst thing about you guys, isn't that I disagree with you (oh the horror!) its that even your own ideas are just expressions of emotions. Like Cisco The Cuck openly fantasizing about gun owners doors get kicked in, but has no rational thought about who's going to do that door kicking, the wider effect it would have on our soceity, and any potential negative consequences.

No, there are never any potential negative consequences for ANY of your ideas, and they aren't thought out even at a basic level. I'm sure you're smarter than this, its not that you're stupid, its that you don't even take your own ideas seriously. You're not seriously proposing solutions to anything. You're expressing a resentment to thosey ou disagree with, calling them nuts, and just expressing you want to make their lives harder. Thats the primary goal, isn't reduce crime, its just make life harder for those you disagree with because you are a person who desires to control others.

[leroy jenkins]

The rest of the first world already is safe. Even "2nd world" Chile has us beat.

Are you really sure all these countries have low rates of gun ownership? Really? Cus you're wrong. France is 9th for gun ownership. Canada is 10th. Germany is 13th. I could go on.

This isn't even the correlation you think it is, much less causation. Only an idiot or someone who is disingenuous reduces any complex issue down to a single variable. It's anti scientific.

Many of the world's lowest crime rate countries are high firearms ownership.

[leroy jenkins]

So, just like cars and trucks, I don't need any paperwork to own one, use it around my property, or trailer it to a range or a friend's property and use it there? And once I get licensed, I'm good in all 50 states to carry anywhere anyone can and local equipment regulations are generally trumped but federal reciprocity, so Massachusetts can't apply their equipment standards to someone licensed in Wyoming?

In fact, we are more permissive with motor vehicles than we are guns. Motor vehicles generally only require licensing and registration for operation on public property and right of ways; if I wanted to have a semi in my yard and drive circles around the house, that would be legal. There are exceptions, particularly with respect to OHVs, but when it comes to cars and trucks, you generally have more freedoms with them than you do firearms.

All that said, I agree the data is clear that more guns comes with more gun deaths, and kinda like maternal mortality, we should be looking to change how we do things so that we're not beating out the rest of the first world.

We also forgot, if you break the law using one, in a way that recklessly puts other people in danger, you get a fine. And don't even lose your license.