Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[evdog]

Fuck these plants. When they're not getting your shins they're piercing your knuckles



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[rideit]

Another vote for hand guards in the desert.

[jamal]

I bought a discounted Shimano 12 speed Deore cassette that was clearly a "new take off" but when I recieved it, it had an HG freehub body. I was pretty sure all 12 speed Shimano cassettes were Microspline but maybe they made OEM ones for certain brands?

Very strange.

Sure its actually 12 speed and not 11? what's the part number on it? CS-M6100 is a 12s 10-51 cassette.

[brutah]

Enduro has been a little squeaky. Dropped my fork to clean and relube my headset. Top bearing opens up, ball bearings proceed to fall out…. Chris King head set, guess I’ll be testing their lifetime warranty

[SchralphMacchio]

How come in 2024 Rock Shox is still putting their patented shock stanchion markings in percentages and not millimeters?

Sure, in 2010 maybe percentages were easier for customers than millimeters … but in the era of metric shocks and removing or customizing travel limiters and even frame manufacturers telling riders to go ahead and long shock if they want, why not just tell us where the travel indicator is in distance - it will be easier to determine bottom out and target sag based on the working stroke length.

[Roxtar]

How come in 2024 Rock Shox is still putting their patented shock stanchion markings in percentages and not millimeters?

Sure, in 2010 maybe percentages were easier for customers than millimeters … but in the era of metric shocks and removing or customizing travel limiters and even frame manufacturers telling riders to go ahead and long shock if they want, why not just tell us where the travel indicator is in distance - it will be easier to determine bottom out and target sag based on the working stroke length.

Not trying to piss on your rant but doesn't the percentage give you what you want without having to do the math?

[SchralphMacchio]

Not if you change the stroke

[SchralphMacchio]

Also Fox should just license the dang patent. When that one expires it’s going to be like when Dynafit’s tech binding patent expired. Biking with a ruler or mini tape measure is so silly.

[Roxtar]

Not if you change the stroke

I think doing that would change the starting position, the zero point for either percentage or numbering.
Then the whole system is off, regardless of what kind of units.
That's the downfall of that RS thing. Changing the travel throws everything off.

[XXX-er]

How come in 2024 Rock Shox is still putting their patented shock stanchion markings in percentages and not millimeters ? .

becuz they would need a model for america and another model for the rest of the world

[toast2266]

Not if you change the stroke

Percentage is easier, because no math. And for the <1% of users that are changing their stroke, if they know how to do that, they know how to use a measuring device to assess sag.

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[XXX-er]

I can tell what my sag is at a glance which has not always been the case with suspension products, SC publishes the sag setting at for my weight, its easy to check so I don't see any reason to complain

[SchralphMacchio]

I have a bigger rant about the end of the stroke more than the sag point with metric shocks … with a spacer installed I can’t tell by just looking at the travel indicator roughly how much of my travel I’ve used on a given stretch of trail. I would have to measure to be sure.
If RS and Fox ran total stroke length all the way down in 5mm increments with 1mm minor markers from 20-40% and 80-100% of total stanchion length that would make things so damn easy, whether or not travel spacers are installed.

I think doing that would change the starting position, the zero point for either percentage or numbering.

If changes the finishing point not the starting point, as shock eye to eye never changes. So mm of stroke would always be absolute regardless of spacers or not, where % is relative to spacers. Honestly my idea would mean less parts for them because less variations on screen printing specific to how many 2.5mm stroke spacers are installed.

[ddocky]

Trailforks again. I added some POIs (signposts). They appear when I search for POIs but they no longer show up on the map. I tried to ask on their help forum and get "your forum posting is blocked". WTF?

[jhyatt]

Just saying again... Plastic bags of shit lying on the trail. Dog people: carry it. No excuses. It's litter even if temporary. It's ugly and gross and not OK.

[jhyatt]

The Di2 charger cable isn't regular USB-C. WHY???? Is there any real technical reason? Or just to sell cables?

[climberevan]

Just saying again... Plastic bags of shit lying on the trail. Dog people: carry it. No excuses. It's litter even if temporary. It's ugly and gross and not OK.

We need to get some of the shit-bag-leaver folks together so we can ask them what their reasoning is. I'm genuinely curious.

Then we can give them the beating they all deserve.

[Roxtar]

If changes the finishing point not the starting point, as shock eye to eye never changes. So mm of stroke would always be absolute regardless of spacers or not, where % is relative to spacers. Honestly my idea would mean less parts for them because less variations on screen printing specific to how many 2.5mm stroke spacers are installed.

Pretty sure you have that wrong. The spacers go on the shaft below the airspring piston in every adjustable travel fork I've had experience with (Mezzers and earlier adj travel Pikes). This shortens the extended length. That's why overforking slackens the head angle, you're increasing the extended/initial length of the fork.

[Dee Hubbs]

The Di2 charger cable isn't regular USB-C. WHY???? Is there any real technical reason? Or just to sell cables?

1) Because they are Japanese?
2) proprietary data transfer protocol, so the use a proprietary plug type
3) the batteries sensitive to the charging voltage, and require a minimum amperage. The bricks on the Gen1 di2 ensure proper charging. And allow for international voltage.
The new Gen2 12s is much cleaner with the charging though the rear derailleur, and not needing a brick to regulate the charge.


Yes I agree it’s annoying. I have 4 different di2 charging systems in my garage:
SM-BCR1 to charge my external 11 speed battery di2 bike.
SM-BCR2 to charge my 11 speed di2 systems.
SM-PCE02 to diagnose my 11 and 12 speed di2 bikes.
EW-EC300 to charge my 12 speed di2 bikes.
Stupid:

[jhyatt]

1) Because they are Japanese?
2) proprietary data transfer protocol, so the use a proprietary plug type
3) the batteries sensitive to the charging voltage, and require a minimum amperage. The bricks on the Gen1 di2 ensure proper charging. And allow for international voltage.
The new Gen2 12s is much cleaner with the charging though the rear derailleur, and not needing a brick to regulate the charge.


Yes I agree it’s annoying. I have 4 different di2 charging systems in my garage:
SM-BCR1 to charge my external 11 speed battery di2 bike.
SM-BCR2 to charge my 11 speed di2 systems.
SM-PCE02 to diagnose my 11 and 12 speed di2 bikes.
EW-EC300 to charge my 12 speed di2 bikes.
Stupid:

I have 12speed that's all I know. No brick just a cable. Should have switched to USB-C. I'm ranting

[Dee Hubbs]

I have 12speed that's all I know. No brick just a cable. Should have switched to USB-C. I'm ranting

Do you mean USB-C female on the bike, or are you referring to the end of the plug in cable? a proprietary female plug on the bike with a male USB-C charging cable (instead of USB-A)?

[SchralphMacchio]

Just got a brand new wireless AXS derailleur yesterday, chuckled that the charger’s input port was micro USB. But hey, at least it wasn’t mini!

Pretty sure you have that wrong. The spacers go on the shaft below the airspring piston in every adjustable travel fork I've had experience with (Mezzers and earlier adj travel Pikes).

I was talking about shocks.
Forks - RS was kind enough to screen the two most common air spring lengths on some stanchions, like mine had 150 and 160 sag ranges screened on there so it was easy. Also, on a fork the end of the travel is always the top of the stanchion so you can see how much travel you used on any given trail segment easily just by quickly checking the O ring indicator.

On shocks, the travel spacer changes the bottom out point. So on a 230 x 60 for example, bottom out of the stroke is 5mm from the stanchion end, if you change it to 62.5 then it’s 2.5mm from the end. It’s just trickier and requires more skill on a 230x60 or 62.5 to just quickly glance at the travel indicator ring and say “I used about 2/3 there.” At least the high end RS shocks have the default travel stroke end screened on the stanchion as a line and number (60 mm, etc) … but why not screen the last 10-15mm? And if they screen the sag area in mm and not percent then it will be one single part for them regardless of internal travel spacer configuration.

And of course Fox and competitors you get nothing. Fox should license the damn stanchion marking patent. So should Ohlins, I think they are owned by a major conglomerate that makes Monroe, Rancho, and a zillion other auto components.

[mtnjam]

Rant: Forest circus dropping multiple, perfectly healthy trees across an old game trail we have ridden multiple times in their feeble attempt to decommission more trails in the Eastside complex area near Bogus Basin. This is at least the second or third trail that used to be rideable, but is now decommissioned because it was "unofficial". Despite an explosive population growth in the valley, more trails on Boise National Forest property are being closed.

[MegaStoke]

Rant: Forest circus dropping multiple, perfectly healthy trees across an old game trail we have ridden multiple times in their feeble attempt to decommission more trails in the Eastside complex area near Bogus Basin. This is at least the second or third trail that used to be rideable, but is now decommissioned because it was "unofficial". Despite an explosive population growth in the valley, more trails on Boise National Forest property are being closed.

I’ve been away from Boise for a few years, which trails have they decommissioned now?

Also, battery chainsaws are quiet, relatively cheap, and carry easily in a backpack. Just sayin’.

[climberevan]

Rant: Forest circus dropping multiple, perfectly healthy trees across an old game trail we have ridden multiple times in their feeble attempt to decommission more trails in the Eastside complex area near Bogus Basin. This is at least the second or third trail that used to be rideable, but is now decommissioned because it was "unofficial". Despite an explosive population growth in the valley, more trails on Boise National Forest property are being closed.

USFS and others do that around here as well. Often when a new trail is built (usually a dirt sidewalk style one), they decommission the existing user-built trails with extreme prejudice. Even committed scofflaws don't bother to rebuild them, as they tend to totally wreck the surface in addition to putting a ton of shit on top of the trails.

Net we end up with more trail mileage but less interesting trails. There is so much available land for both! We just need to have SO many more trails so everyone can spread out and have fun.