If only there was something we could do...

[leroy jenkins]

8 officers shot today (4 fatal) attempting to issue a warrant to a gun possessing criminal. fuck the guns and the attitude that has allowed access to 150 million people, many sick, suicidal, and violent. our system has let down these officers as we shoot to a record number of police fatalities in 2024.

The majority of cops do not support gun control because they just don't believe in it, but also because they will be the ones kicking down the doors.

You want cops to be safer, but you want to turn over a hundred million Americans into felons and make the cops have far more interactions that are likely to escalate by having to kick in peoples doors?

The cops don't want it.

[Cisco Kid]

Cops are not Critical Thinkers. I believe it's in the job description. So there's that.

Any action resulting in ANY death should be regarded as a Failed Action and subject to a thorough and complete after action report.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

The majority of cops do not support gun control because they just don't believe in it, but also because they will be the ones kicking down the doors.

You want cops to be safer, but you want to turn over a hundred million Americans into felons and make the cops have far more interactions that are likely to escalate by having to kick in peoples doors?

The cops don't want it.

Most law enforcement agencies and organizations support stricter gun control and lobby congress for funding to enforce it. Don’t be lazy and disingenuous


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[nickwm21]

Shit Leroy - you have topped yourself. That’s some impressive mental gymnastics….


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[sb]

Parts kits at shop.

Case in hand.

Mags loaded.

[sb]

Forum still fktup

[riser4]

Shit Leroy - you have topped yourself. That’s some impressive mental gymnastics….


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He might break is own neck if he's not careful.

[frorider]

https://apnews.com/article/church-sh...2f9a032251ae2d A lot to unpack here.

Guy named ‘Polite’ tries to shoot a pastor in church. God steps in, jams gun. Police find another guy with the last name Polite dead in a house recently visited by the gunman but refuse to confirm they are related.

[riser4]

https://apnews.com/article/church-sh...2f9a032251ae2d A lot to unpack here.

Guy named ‘Polite’ tries to shoot a pastor in church. God steps in, jams gun. Police find another guy with the last name Polite dead in a house recently visited by the gunman but refuse to confirm they are related.

Pretty much, in a nut shell.

[Buster Highmen]

The majority of cops do not support gun control because they just don't believe in it, but also because they will be the ones kicking down the doors.

You want cops to be safer, but you want to turn over a hundred million Americans into felons and make the cops have far more interactions that are likely to escalate by having to kick in peoples doors?

The cops don't want it.

You are so full of shit.


The IACP has been a strong supporter of the assault weapons ban since 1992, and our membership has
approved several reauthorizations of support in the years since. The membership took this action
because we, as law enforcement executives, understand that the criminal use of semiautomatic assault
weapons pose a grave risk to our officers and the communities they are sworn to protect.

In response to the facts and statistics surrounding gun violence and related risks at U.S college and
universities, the IACP supports the prohibition of concealed carry weapons upon U.S. college and
university campuses.

Therefore, the IACP continues to oppose legislation that provide concealed carry permit holders with
immunity from arrest or detention for violation of any law or any rule or regulation of a state or any
political subdivision thereof related to the possession, transportation, or carrying of firearms.

The IACP urges Congress to increase resources to better allow state, local and tribal law enforcement
agencies and the Department of Justice to enable greater prosecution of individuals for Brady Act
violations. In addition, the IACP supports firearms enforcement programs that involve local, state and
federal agencies, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods and Project Exile, which have shown significant
reductions in firearms-related violent crime.

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/defaul...Paper_2018.pdf

[MagnificentUnicorn]

If Leroy believes his narrative is true in his mind


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[skaredshtles]

You are so full of shit.

Don't argue with him... he's not interested in facts, etc.

[leroy jenkins]

Cops are not Critical Thinkers. I believe it's in the job description. So there's that.

Any action resulting in ANY death should be regarded as a Failed Action and subject to a thorough and complete after action report.

You're right, cops average iq is 80, pretty freaking low, but I wasn't referecing them as some sort of moral authority, this wasn't an appeal to authority, a fter all, i'm not an authoritarian progressive liberal, this was simply pointing out that the peopel you fantasize about committing this violecne on your behalf against those evil nasty conservatives, aren't actually willing to do so. And you aren't willing to take their place and kick in doors either, so its, thankfully, merely a violent fantasy on your part.



I'll ask again, can you make your daydream of cops kicking in gun owners doors nation wide make some sort of sense? I know, I know, I already got called a narcissist because I'm just sooooooo entitled because I asked you to make this make sense and you can't do it.

You're a weak ass little bitch who fantasizes about the state committing violence against peopel you just don't like because they're different than you. Thats it. All the talk of safety is just justification.

[leroy jenkins]

You are so full of shit.


The IACP has been a strong supporter of the assault weapons ban since 1992, and our membership has
approved several reauthorizations of support in the years since. The membership took this action
because we, as law enforcement executives, understand that the criminal use of semiautomatic assault
weapons pose a grave risk to our officers and the communities they are sworn to protect.

In response to the facts and statistics surrounding gun violence and related risks at U.S college and
universities, the IACP supports the prohibition of concealed carry weapons upon U.S. college and
university campuses.

Therefore, the IACP continues to oppose legislation that provide concealed carry permit holders with
immunity from arrest or detention for violation of any law or any rule or regulation of a state or any
political subdivision thereof related to the possession, transportation, or carrying of firearms.

The IACP urges Congress to increase resources to better allow state, local and tribal law enforcement
agencies and the Department of Justice to enable greater prosecution of individuals for Brady Act
violations. In addition, the IACP supports firearms enforcement programs that involve local, state and
federal agencies, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods and Project Exile, which have shown significant
reductions in firearms-related violent crime.

https://www.theiacp.org/sites/defaul...Paper_2018.pdf

Yea, political organizations and politican police chiefs who tend to be liberal support authorities and gun control. Actual rank and file officers do not.

Besides you dumb cunt, thats not even a US organization. Foreing police forces are often very authoritarian. As has alreayd been stated, hardly the arbitors of critical thinknig. Which you guys are quick to piont out, except if you're saying the cops are anti gun. Then they're the experts and authorities who you claim get hundreds of hours of firearms training. They're not, they're borderline retards who train for like a dozen hours.

I'll find some stats if I feel like it, but it was the colorado sherrifs who sued to overturn the standard capacity mag ban there.

[m2711c]

Name one thing you have changed your opinions of after any conversation on this board? What’s it like to never be wrong?

[leroy jenkins]

Name one thing you have changed your opinions of after any conversation on this board? What’s it like to never be wrong?

I've admitted I was wrong about plenty of things.

This is not a rebuttal on your part. Its a dodge.


You're projecting. Pro gun folks don't need to invalidate anti gun folks to have a point. Pro gun folks can admit violence is a problem, and factor that into their world view. Anti gun folks are completely dependent on invalidating every point anyone could have that disagrees with them, and cannot factor in the fact that guns also do save lives and have benefits in society. Nope, anyone who disagrees with you just has to be crazy or a narcissist or something because you NEED that to be the case.


Yes yes, I'm aware of all my narcissistic entitlement because I asked cisco kid to explain how his fantasy of widespread door kicking being normalized against millions of americans could actually take place and not destroy our country and he's still got nothing. Its just a fantasy for him that someone else do violence to gun owners on his behalf and your ideas aren't any more well thought out.

[nickwm21]

The problem with this debate is that the anti-gun-control crowd thinks everyone else is strictly in the anti-gun crowd. There’s an ocean of grey area between those two. The vast vast majority of Americans are in that grey area and know there’s an answer in there that saves thousands of lives and preserves the positive aspects of our gun culture and ownership.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I've admitted I was wrong about plenty of things.

This is not a rebuttal on your part. Its a dodge.


You're projecting. Pro gun folks don't need to invalidate anti gun folks to have a point. Pro gun folks can admit violence is a problem, and factor that into their world view. Anti gun folks are completely dependent on invalidating every point anyone could have that disagrees with them, and cannot factor in the fact that guns also do save lives and have benefits in society. Nope, anyone who disagrees with you just has to be crazy or a narcissist or something because you NEED that to be the case.


Yes yes, I'm aware of all my narcissistic entitlement because I asked cisco kid to explain how his fantasy of widespread door kicking being normalized against millions of americans could actually take place and not destroy our country and he's still got nothing. Its just a fantasy for him that someone else do violence to gun owners on his behalf and your ideas aren't any more well thought out.

I’m not anti gun, I’m a gun owner. I am pro gun control, stricter measures to prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands.

Your fantasy of police having to “kick doors and terrorize law abiding citizens” is just that, a fantasy. The vast majority of people in this country, including gun owners are in favor of stricter laws and enforcement for firearms not firearms confiscation.


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[Buster Highmen]

Yea, political organizations and politican police chiefs who tend to be liberal support authorities and gun control. Actual rank and file officers do not.

Point being, extrapolating a personal opinion is not the same as citing facts.

Besides you dumb cunt, thats not even a US organization. Foreing police forces are often very authoritarian. As has alreayd been stated, hardly the arbitors of critical thinknig. Which you guys are quick to piont out, except if you're saying the cops are anti gun. Then they're the experts and authorities who you claim get hundreds of hours of firearms training. They're not, they're borderline retards who train for like a dozen hours.

I guess I'm winning here since besides the pejorative, you're so angry you can't spell.

And as far as being critical of critical thinking, well, there's wads of irony there, especially when claiming cops are retards in the same breath as holding up their presumably pro-gun position. There's some consistency. Cops have a hell of a job and despite disagreeing with them, they're due some respect.

I'll find some stats if I feel like it, but it was the colorado sherrifs who sued to overturn the standard capacity mag ban there.

With regard to the issue of police opinion, I still think you're full of shit. During the assault weapons ban, crime fell:


As shown in exhibit 6, law enforce
ment agency requests for BATF as
sault weapons traces in the 1993–95
period declined 20 percent in the first
calendar year after the ban took effect,
dropping from 4,077 in 1994 to 3,268
in 1995. Some of this decrease may
reflect an overall decrease in gun
crimes; total trace requests dropped
11?percent from 1994 to 1995, and
gun murders declined 10?percent over
the same period. Nevertheless, these
trends suggest a 9- to 10-percent addi
tional decrease (labeled with a triangle
in exhibit 6) due to substitution of
other guns for the banned assault
weapons in 1995 gun crimes.15

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/173405.pdf

Refusing to accept the data and facts surrounding more gun control is really below you. Condolences.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/polit...rol/index.html

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Point being, extrapolating a personal opinion is not the same as citing facts.

I guess I'm winning here since besides the pejorative, you're so angry you can't spell.

And as far as being critical of critical thinking, well, there's wads of irony there, especially when claiming cops are retards in the same breath as holding up their presumably pro-gun position. There's some consistency. Cops have a hell of a job and despite disagreeing with them, they're due some respect.


With regard to the issue of police opinion, I still think you're full of shit. During the assault weapons ban, crime fell:


As shown in exhibit 6, law enforce
ment agency requests for BATF as
sault weapons traces in the 1993–95
period declined 20 percent in the first
calendar year after the ban took effect,
dropping from 4,077 in 1994 to 3,268
in 1995. Some of this decrease may
reflect an overall decrease in gun
crimes; total trace requests dropped
11?percent from 1994 to 1995, and
gun murders declined 10?percent over
the same period. Nevertheless, these
trends suggest a 9- to 10-percent addi
tional decrease (labeled with a triangle
in exhibit 6) due to substitution of
other guns for the banned assault
weapons in 1995 gun crimes.15

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/173405.pdf

Refusing to accept the data and facts surrounding more gun control is really below you. Condolences.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/polit...rol/index.html

It’s not really below him if you think about it


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[leroy jenkins]

Point being, extrapolating a personal opinion is not the same as citing facts.

I guess I'm winning here since besides the pejorative, you're so angry you can't spell.

And as far as being critical of critical thinking, well, there's wads of irony there, especially when claiming cops are retards in the same breath as holding up their presumably pro-gun position. There's some consistency. Cops have a hell of a job and despite disagreeing with them, they're due some respect.


With regard to the issue of police opinion, I still think you're full of shit. During the assault weapons ban, crime fell:


As shown in exhibit 6, law enforce
ment agency requests for BATF as
sault weapons traces in the 1993–95
period declined 20 percent in the first
calendar year after the ban took effect,
dropping from 4,077 in 1994 to 3,268
in 1995. Some of this decrease may
reflect an overall decrease in gun
crimes; total trace requests dropped
11?percent from 1994 to 1995, and
gun murders declined 10?percent over
the same period. Nevertheless, these
trends suggest a 9- to 10-percent addi
tional decrease (labeled with a triangle
in exhibit 6) due to substitution of
other guns for the banned assault
weapons in 1995 gun crimes.15

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/173405.pdf

Refusing to accept the data and facts surrounding more gun control is really below you. Condolences.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/polit...rol/index.html

Like I already said genious, I specifically mentioned cops low iq because I'm not holding htem up as some sort of authority of rightthink. i'm saying they aren't willing to go kick down doors, and since none of you cowards are either, there won't be anyone to do the door kicking nand dog shootings you guys all clearly fantasize about being done on your behalf.

every word i've mistyped is easily spelled. grammar critiques are way low consciousness.

and copess average iq is 80. thats a fact.

and nothing in your post is remotely about law enforcement ideas or attitudes. its some loose correlations about the assault wepaons bans.

[TBS]

Hacked data from Mexican Intelligence services show the origin of guns recovered.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/73700258007/

SURPRISE - AZ and TX are big winners here.

Wonder if they realize how this contributes to the immigration and Fentanyl problems?

[::: :::]

and copess average iq is 80. thats a fact.

citation, please

[skaredshtles]

Hacked data from Mexican Intelligence services show the origin of guns recovered.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/73700258007/

SURPRISE - AZ and TX are big winners here.

Wonder if they realize how this contributes to the immigration and Fentanyl problems?

iT'S NoT ThE GuNs! iT'S ThE PeOpLe!!

[J. Barron DeJong]

citation, please

There was a court case regarding police IQ:

“Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.

Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.”

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-...story?id=95836