ON3P SKIS Discussion

[AlpinWeiss]

I think everything should be the same as 118 except width and weight obviously. Have a buddy that custom built some (stock layup) so can report back with weight once they arrive.

Got these custom BG 108s in... they came in at almost exactly 2200g / ski. Definitely a little less camber than cocoapuff's BG110s and maybe a bit earlier front rocker... Still haven't gotten them on snow (since its seemingly all rocks).

Teal looks badass with the snowbird pivots


Point Break Coral base definitely darker looking than on the ski builder site, but looks good


Comparo with cocoapuff's BG110s: BG108s on left

[vermontana]

Starting to scheme on quiver additions, time to add a true fatty and was looking at the Jeff 118, I am a bit conflicted between the 186 and 191. My other skis are mostly Moments, 190 wildcat101s, 190 DW tours, and 188 Commander 108s.

Was thinking the 186 to keep it on the more playful side of things, but they seem like they ski very short looking at feedback on here and EE/radius measurements (compared to the fat Wildcat in 190 at least). 6ft 180lbs and I catch air wherever I can, but I definitely spin less and charge more these days. thoughts?

[MNazWIcoWA]

Starting to scheme on quiver additions, time to add a true fatty and was looking at the Jeff 118, I am a bit conflicted between the 186 and 191. My other skis are mostly Moments, 190 wildcat101s, 190 DW tours, and 188 Commander 108s.

Was thinking the 186 to keep it on the more playful side of things, but they seem like they ski very short looking at feedback on here and EE/radius measurements (compared to the fat Wildcat in 190 at least). 6ft 180lbs and I catch air wherever I can, but I definitely spin less and charge more these days. thoughts?

I think you've answered you own question by saying you spin less and charge more these days. Go 191. I am 5'9" 175lbs and would go 186 in the 118.

[BeHuWe]

Starting to scheme on quiver additions, time to add a true fatty and was looking at the Jeff 118, I am a bit conflicted between the 186 and 191. My other skis are mostly Moments, 190 wildcat101s, 190 DW tours, and 188 Commander 108s.

Was thinking the 186 to keep it on the more playful side of things, but they seem like they ski very short looking at feedback on here and EE/radius measurements (compared to the fat Wildcat in 190 at least). 6ft 180lbs and I catch air wherever I can, but I definitely spin less and charge more these days. thoughts?

Go 191, i ski 190 DW and 188 Cmd 108 aswell. The 191 is a powder day 1 ski quiver. Floats and drifts in fresh, crushes chop and can even carve on fresh groomers. I’m 5’8” 210 and can still do 3’s off natural features with ease on these and they charge so well in chop


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[MNazWIcoWA]

Go 191, i ski 190 DW and 188 Cmd 108 aswell. The 191 is a powder day 1 ski quiver. Floats and drifts in fresh, crushes chop and can even carve on fresh groomers. I’m 5’8” 210 and can still do 3’s off natural features with ease on these and they charge so well in chop


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You have me questioning going 184 vs 190 DW lol. I'm 5'9" 175 lbs so taller, but lighter than you. A few others had said to go up to 190 for the full DW (I have 184 DW 104).

[BeHuWe]

You have me questioning going 184 vs 190 DW lol. I'm 5'9" 175 lbs so taller, but lighter than you. A few others had said to go up to 190 for the full DW (I have 184 DW 104).

I skied my buddy’s dw104 and the 184 felt substantial enough for that ski and its purpose (low tide/playful ski). But the OG DW does feel much less demanding than the 104 so the extra 6cm isn’t really that noticeable


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[PeachesNCream]

Starting to scheme on quiver additions, time to add a true fatty and was looking at the Jeff 118, I am a bit conflicted between the 186 and 191. My other skis are mostly Moments, 190 wildcat101s, 190 DW tours, and 188 Commander 108s.

Was thinking the 186 to keep it on the more playful side of things, but they seem like they ski very short looking at feedback on here and EE/radius measurements (compared to the fat Wildcat in 190 at least). 6ft 180lbs and I catch air wherever I can, but I definitely spin less and charge more these days. thoughts?

I’m larger at 6’3, 200lbs, but the 186 felt like blades


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[benk]

Skied 4/5 days of my hut trip on new BGTs on old pow, slush, and everything in between. Only 1lbs heavier for the pair with the 50/50 build than my Camox Freebirds with Ions.

As good as my previous pair, these really shined when things got variable and held a comfortable line without hooking up.

Looking forward to getting them on some fresher snow next season

[MHSP1497]

I’m larger at 6’3, 200lbs, but the 186 felt like blades


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The 191’s are plenty playful & nimble in the right snow. I wouldn’t agonize over it too much.

[Muggydude]

Starting to scheme on quiver additions, time to add a true fatty and was looking at the Jeff 118, I am a bit conflicted between the 186 and 191. My other skis are mostly Moments, 190 wildcat101s, 190 DW tours, and 188 Commander 108s.

Was thinking the 186 to keep it on the more playful side of things, but they seem like they ski very short looking at feedback on here and EE/radius measurements (compared to the fat Wildcat in 190 at least). 6ft 180lbs and I catch air wherever I can, but I definitely spin less and charge more these days. thoughts?

If you’re a physically strong skier and ski open/fast/steep terrain 191 would probably be good. Particularly if you actually drop decent size features. That’s really where I see the extra length being needed. They are big/heavy skis but very nimble/pivoty.

If you’re only doing smaller drops and like skiing lower angle, or trees and moguls, then the 186 is still a pretty substantial ski (measures more like most brand’s 189). My buddy is your size, and currently has the 186 and skis real fast (good technique and finesse though) and he’s super happy with the 186 at palisades.

I’m 5’10 ~210lbs, physically strong and prefer to charge over stuff. I skied and liked the 186 Kartel 116 when I owned a pair, I didn’t feel the need to size up at all. My current deep day quiver is 191 Lhasa Pows, 189 Kusalas, 191 Cease and Desist. Jeffs have a pretty beefy layup skis unless they’ve changed in recent years.

I will say I mounted mine and liked them -1.5cm or 2cm, which may help if you are on a smaller size for more directional charging.

These days I’m tending back towards preferring slightly shorter skis than I used to. I wish the skis above were all about 3cm shorter most powder days after the first 3 hours when things start to get cut up and bumped out. Just so much more work in tight spaces and heavier snow. I find myself taking out my 182cm Heavy/Veneer Praxis Quixotes after lunch a lot these days, but I ski a lot of bumps and trees and don’t drop big features anymore.

All but the best and biggest skiers are probably deceiving themselves a bit that they’re finding the speed limit on a ski like a 186 J118, or need to be on 190+ skis IMO. Just making yourself work harder and ultimately have less control if you’re not close to the speed/stability limit of the length you’re on.

Course there are certainly are a good handful of Mags that qualify for the big sticks so YMMV.

[Kootenai]

The search function didn’t satisfy, and I am dumb. Notable differences in the Steeple 108 and the BGT 110? I understand they are lighter. What else sez the collective?

[kid-kapow]

The search function didn’t satisfy, and I am dumb. Notable differences in the Steeple 108 and the BGT 110? I understand they are lighter. What else sez the collective?

BGT=touring layup, so touring specific core and thinner edges and bases ("just" industry standard for most resort skis, not ON3P's "oversized" ones)
Steeple= standard construction with a core that was milled down a bit to reduce weight, so rounder flex with standard ON3P edges and bases

The geometries have also changed a bit, but both are fine skis.
16/17 catalogue
17/18 catalogue

In essence - BGTs are touring skis, while Steeples in practice are slightly rounder flexed resort skis labeled as touring skis due to saving what 100gr a ski. Steeples should float a tiny bit better than the comparable resort version of the same ski due to their rounder flex, with a comparable reduction in ability to hatefuck the mountain.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

These. These are a lot of fun.





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[Kootenai]

In essence - BGTs are touring skis, while Steeples in practice are slightly rounder flexed resort skis labeled as touring skis due to saving what 100gr a ski. Steeples should float a tiny bit better than the comparable resort version of the same ski due to their rounder flex, with a comparable reduction in ability to hatefuck the mountain.

This says it all. Well expressed and thanks for taking the time.

[CascadeLuke]

I’ve owned two pairs of steeple 108s and currently BG110s. My experience is a bit different since all of these pairs are essentially slimmed down BGs vs tour designed builds. Steeple #1 was intended to be tour (but I sense it was an early run pair) that came out heavy. Having a full BG in my stable already - these lit my flame for a skinny BG slot.. next, I found a Steeple with stock BG build listed by a Mag that spent the summer working at the factory and walked away with this as his personal custom pair/vision. They were sick! Enjoyed those for awhile and then BG110s were launched so I went custom on those. That’s currently my big snow ski at this point for most days. Still have a larger width BG but it’s dusty to be honest. Considering differences on ST108 vs BG110 is minute.. the 110s handle hard pack (ish situations) better. I’d say if you’re looking for a rewarding skinny BG with tour prowess - then you’re hunting for the ST108 at a value and BG110t if someone is off their meds.
Did I need to move over and spend coin on a BG110 w/traditional build - probably not. However seeing how those aren’t offered in 110 now, I’m happy to have them in my quiver. BG110 187 = absolute cold dead hands

[kid-kapow]

These. These are a lot of fun.

the C&D has arriveth and deliverth!

[MHSP1497]

These. These are a lot of fun.


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Yes, yes they sure are. There’s just something about them…

[EdwardsSki]

I’ve owned two pairs of steeple 108s and currently BG110s. My experience is a bit different since all of these pairs are essentially slimmed down BGs vs tour designed builds. Steeple #1 was intended to be tour (but I sense it was an early run pair) that came out heavy. Having a full BG in my stable already - these lit my flame for a skinny BG slot.. next, I found a Steeple with stock BG build listed by a Mag that spent the summer working at the factory and walked away with this as his personal custom pair/vision. They were sick! Enjoyed those for awhile and then BG110s were launched so I went custom on those. That’s currently my big snow ski at this point for most days. Still have a larger width BG but it’s dusty to be honest. Considering differences on ST108 vs BG110 is minute.. the 110s handle hard pack (ish situations) better. I’d say if you’re looking for a rewarding skinny BG with tour prowess - then you’re hunting for the ST108 at a value and BG110t if someone is off their meds.
Did I need to move over and spend coin on a BG110 w/traditional build - probably not. However seeing how those aren’t offered in 110 now, I’m happy to have them in my quiver. BG110 187 = absolute cold dead hands

I have owned a few of these/sold a pair to CL.
15/16 179 Steeple 112--still use it with a zed 12 for resort access touring. I had to mount -1.1 back for the remount, and I like them more at this spot than on the line. It's ridiculously heavy for a "touring ski" (~2210g per ski on my pair). But it does have that same Billy Goat charm with the rounder profile like most have mentioned. I think this core profile is really dialed, and they manage funky, deep snow really well.
17/18 184 custom steeple 108 that was built with the stock layup not the tour layup to be a resort skinny goat. I wanted these for more of an everyday ski, but I found myself on my 15/16 BGs most days, and I didn't have much of a use for these skinny goats. I sold them to CL.

[Jvhowube]

Too lazy to search - anyone have an insight on BG vs Wildcat as a resort powder ski? I don't need to change things up (my WCs are in great shape) but I am mostly interested in trying something new - and I will be skiing Baker exclusively next winter so figured ON3P are worth checking out. I am currently on the 184s - they worked great at Steamboat, always felt a bit short but not a big deal cause Steamboat isn't steep. I loved their float, ability to charge through chop as the resort got skied off, and their edge hold if there were still some groomers to ski on the way down. I am not a big person - 5'10" 160 lbs. Was thinking of getting a pair of the 186s, current gen.

[PNW-skier78]

Too lazy to search - anyone have an insight on BG vs Wildcat as a resort powder ski? I don't need to change things up (my WCs are in great shape) but I am mostly interested in trying something new - and I will be skiing Baker exclusively next winter so figured ON3P are worth checking out. I am currently on the 184s - they worked great at Steamboat, always felt a bit short but not a big deal cause Steamboat isn't steep. I loved their float, ability to charge through chop as the resort got skied off, and their edge hold if there were still some groomers to ski on the way down. I am not a big person - 5'10" 160 lbs. Was thinking of getting a pair of the 186s, current gen.

I haven’t rode the current BG but in general the BG is much more of a soft snow specific ski that really excels in sticky snow. Wildcat has a more forward mount feels less directional but outside the mount difference the wildcat feels like a more traditional ski.

The billygoat is less likely to feel stuck in heavy wet deep snow or crust. The billygoat also provides a lot more float in similar lengths.

Both are pretty stable in cut up chop but I would give a slight edge to the billygoat and the wildcat is better on hardpack.

I’ve use to have the 184 bibby and currently have the 190 bibby. I also own the 184 asym billygoat and 187 billygoat 110 in the tour layup (prev gen).


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[SchralphMacchio]

Moving from Steamboat to Baker … it would be worth getting an ON3P ski of some sort, if for no reason other than seeing how the cores feel on low elevation high water content warm and variable PNW snow! I didn’t really believe it either when some folks were telling me that ON3P cores are just made for our variable PNW snow, but now that I’ve had two pairs since moving to Oregon, I can say there is some there there.

[Ed el Loco]

Factory finds out now.

[ASmileyFace]

Factory finds out now.

Damn good stuff on there. Those $599 Jeff Tour 118s

[SchralphMacchio]

Factory finds out now.

Presumably the first model and width is the actual ski, and the second model and width is topsheet + base?

[skuff]

Presumably the first model and width is the actual ski, and the second model and width is topsheet + base?

That's the way I'm reading it