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[Andeh]

Neither for the fork, it's a Rockshox, probably a Yari by the model year. Just have whatever shop that services the shock also do the fork.

[toast2266]

It’s way past time for me to get my shocks rebuilt. I bought this 2018 Santa Cruz Nomad with 27.5 wheels from my neighbor in 2019 which is built up from extra parts from his garage. Currently I think the dampening piston has come unthreaded. Something rattles in the fork when I hit bumps and there just is no dampening.

What kind of front shock do I have? Fox 34 or 36? What do I need to order for the rebuild and are there good YouTube videos to learn how to rebuild the shock?

Should I have my LBS deal with the rear shock rebuild? Or Is there a good company that I can send my rear shock to? Currently running 300psi and there’s like 40% sag. Oops!

Given that it sounds like both the fork and rear shock are severely fucked, and given that new suspension (from fox and others) can be had for super cheap right now, you might be better off just buying new stuff.

[Gerome]

Given that it sounds like both the fork and rear shock are severely fucked, and given that new suspension (from fox and others) can be had for super cheap right now, you might be better off just buying new stuff.

Give it to me straight doc, how much time do I have left [emoji38]


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[toast2266]

Give it to me straight doc, how much time do I have left [emoji38]


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Prognosis isn't great.

For a full fork + rear shock tear down and rebuild, you're probably looking at $400-ish just in labor, and depending on what things look like in there, another $200 in parts (possibly less, but very possibly more).

You can get a brand new fox 36 factory for $450, and you can get various brand new factory level fox rear shocks for $250. So you're only saving $100-ish going the rebuild route.

[Sandbox]

Yah I third the buying new parts. The deals on suspension right now is just wild so you might as well take advantage.


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[Abies]

Is this an ok place to ask for a price reality check? 2020 aluminum Santa Cruz Tallboy. Nice but well used (and maintained) parts. XT brakes/DT Swiss 350 wheels/king headset/Helm/ GX drivetrain/ cascade link. Was thinking about tossing it up for 1800 but maybe even that is too much these days?


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[Gerome]

Ok, so I’m looking at something around $800 for new front and rear suspension for a bike worth maybe $1800. Still worth it for a good bike even though it would be nice to ride something around 30# instead of 36#, and something with a steeper seat post angle.

My mountain bike knowledge is still mostly in the dark ages of the 90’s. What fork and shock am I looking for? Where are good places to purchase the suspension? Thanks




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[toast2266]

Is this an ok place to ask for a price reality check? 2020 aluminum Santa Cruz Tallboy. Nice but well used (and maintained) parts. XT brakes/DT Swiss 350 wheels/king headset/Helm/ GX drivetrain/ cascade link. Was thinking about tossing it up for 1800 but maybe even that is too much these days?


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Seems a bit high. A brand new aluminum tallboy can be had for $2500, albeit with shittier parts than yours. I'd put a 4 year old aluminum Tallboy somewhere in the $1300-1400 range. But the whole bike market is weird these days, so who the hell knows.

[Abies]

You’re probably right. I also feel like this thing isn’t worth shipping and local sale probably drops the price more.


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[toast2266]

Ok, so I’m looking at something around $800 for new front and rear suspension for a bike worth maybe $1800. Still worth it for a good bike even though it would be nice to ride something around 30# instead of 36#, and something with a steeper seat post angle.

My mountain bike knowledge is still mostly in the dark ages of the 90’s. What fork and shock am I looking for? Where are good places to purchase the suspension? Thanks




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If it were me, I'd probably buy this fork. Ignore the part where it says it's for ebikes. This won't make your bike lighter, but it will make it awesomer.

The shock gets a little trickier since there's different sizes and tunes, which makes it harder to find a good deal that'll fit your bike. But this thing is basically a re-branded Fox Float X. It's cheap, and it'll fit your bike. You'll probably have to buy some mounting hardware for it though (not sure what size you need - some internet sleuthing would probably tell you, or if you have a Santa Cruz shop nearby, there's a good chance they'll have it).

[Roxtar]

Manitou is blowing out Mara Pros in pretty much all sizes.
https://hayesbicycle.com/products/mara-pro

[toast2266]

^^^ Nice. Yeah, that's a better option than the Marzocchi I linked.

[Norseman]

Lots of sizes sold out, tho.

Wanted a Mara for a bike I'm setting up for the old man since I dig mine so much. Alas.

[east or bust]

Lots of sizes sold out, tho.

Wanted a Mara for a bike I'm setting up for the old man since I dig mine so much. Alas.

What size are you looking for?

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Favorite/most compliant 35mm bar with 20* rise?

I have a super base e*13 now that is pretty damn stiff. I have run OneUp before and know they are good so that is my first choice. Anything else I should be looking at?

[beaterdit]

Pinkbike rated the WAO 'Da Package'/77Designz as the most compliant in a recent review of claimed compliant bars. Note that it's actually 33mm with an integrated alloy shim out to 35mm. It's on the expensive side because it can only be used with the companion stem but DH rated. I'm running it and it's indeed comfy.

The 1Up bar was rated as the second most compliant in that review.

Beyond that I'm back to 31.8 on the rest of my bikes. No point to 35 really.

[smmokan]

Favorite/most compliant 35mm bar with 20* rise?

I have a super base e*13 now that is pretty damn stiff. I have run OneUp before and know they are good so that is my first choice. Anything else I should be looking at?

FWIW, I find the TrailOne carbon bars to be very similar to OneUp. I have both with 20mm rise and can't tell any kind of noticeable difference.

[Andeh]

Relevant to compliant bars discussion:
https://bikerumor.com/does-handlebar...io-blind-test/

This isn't an exhaustive test (didn't include many common brands like Renthal & Race Face), but is good for getting a sense of 31.8/35/carbon/alu in general.

[evdog]

For people wanting some compliance in handlebars, give these some thought. I know a few riders who swear by them. https://fasstmtb.com/collections/end...in-bike-enduro

[toast2266]

Relevant to compliant bars discussion:
https://bikerumor.com/does-handlebar...io-blind-test/

This isn't an exhaustive test (didn't include many common brands like Renthal & Race Face), but is good for getting a sense of 31.8/35/carbon/alu in general.

They touched on it a little bit in that article, but I'd really like to see someone try to quantify high frequency vibrations in bars. I think that realistically has more of an effect on hand fatigue than outright flexiness or stiffness. That test shows that a lot of the most common bars are within a few % of each other in terms of stiffness, but I'd venture a guess that there is a difference in how those bars handle vibrations. Someone with an oscilloscope needs to start going around smacking handlebars with a mallet and posting resonant frequencies. (I have no idea if that's actually a useful way to quantify handlebar vibrations)

[sfotex]

They touched on it a little bit in that article, but I'd really like to see someone try to quantify high frequency vibrations in bars. I think that realistically has more of an effect on hand fatigue than outright flexiness or stiffness. That test shows that a lot of the most common bars are within a few % of each other in terms of stiffness, but I'd venture a guess that there is a difference in how those bars handle vibrations. Someone with an oscilloscope needs to start going around smacking handlebars with a mallet and posting resonant frequencies. (I have no idea if that's actually a useful way to quantify handlebar vibrations)

Spank seems to have done some work on this: https://spank-ind.com/blogs/news/vib...e-inside-story

[toast2266]

Spank seems to have done some work on this: https://spank-ind.com/blogs/news/vib...e-inside-story

Which is funny, because Spank Vibracore bars are, by a significant margin, the most brutal bars for my hands I've ever used. I don't know if that's because their product doesn't work as advertised, their conclusions as to which frequencies are bad were incorrect, or maybe I'm just a delicate flower. But those 31.8 aluminum vibracore bars were way worse than any 35mm carbon bar I've ever used.

[sfotex]

Which is funny, because Spank Vibracore bars are, by a significant margin, the most brutal bars for my hands I've ever used. I don't know if that's because their product doesn't work as advertised, their conclusions as to which frequencies are bad were incorrect, or maybe I'm just a delicate flower..

Yeah, my thought was if it worked well they would license it out to other manufactures.

[beaterdit]

Which is funny, because Spank Vibracore bars are, by a significant margin, the most brutal bars for my hands I've ever used. I don't know if that's because their product doesn't work as advertised, their conclusions as to which frequencies are bad were incorrect, or maybe I'm just a delicate flower. But those 31.8 aluminum vibracore bars were way worse than any 35mm carbon bar I've ever used.

Oh shit. I put the 35mm alloy Spike bars on my hardtail before I was really thinking about such things. They're brutal. I now have a set of 31.8 Vibrocores and matching Split stem in the garage waiting to go on. I guess I'm gonna find out hahaha.

[Abies]

Ergon ge1s solved most of my hand issues. Subtle shaping, no crazy paddles.

I have analysis paralysis on forks. I’m really tempted by a mega sale Z1 for my next build, maybe coil, but will it feel too unrefined compared to higher end forks? I have a 36 with grip2 on another bike and it is… fine? I’m a set it and forget it rider but I do prioritize small bump compliance which the 36 does have.


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