Att zipfit gurus!

[TAFKALVS]

I have feet that get very low volume (from a height perspective) in the forefoot plus a low instep. The thin forefoot on the zipfit makes me feel like I’m floating in the boot. Anyone else have this issue?

Just wear thick socks?

Wish zipfit made a model with a Ultralon foam toe box rather than the neoprene.

[SoVT Joey]

I have feet that get very low volume (from a height perspective) in the forefoot plus a low instep. The thin forefoot on the zipfit makes me feel like I’m floating in the boot. Anyone else have this issue?

Just wear thick socks?

Wish zipfit made a model with a Ultralon foam toe box rather than the neoprene.

try corking the tongue all the way down to the instep. Kinda sounds like your shell fit is too big, could try to mitigate it with next size up liner or see if you can double footbed.

when zipfits are fit correctly into the correct shell for the user it’s the best thing ever. Chasing size and space problems is difficult especially with the low volume of the neoprene toe box. I feel bad for the guys that are constantly chasing problems. My three pairs of boots and 3 sets of liners takes less then two hours total.

[enginerd]

MO - makes sense and I went with the LV for both of those reasons which seem justified.

I’ve since heard you can order all leather Gara LV from zipfit (it’s not on their website)…THAT would be sweet.

TAF - I have the exact same issue. Low instep, long, narrow, big heel spurs.

1) you can try and solve it with adding extra cork material in the tongue, it goes pretty low down.

2) the only way I’ve reliably solved this is with a) shimming the boot board - particularly annoying with zips since they’re in and out every time and usually you have to re-set the shim every time. b) glue on additional high density foam material (someone here knows the actual name) above your forefoot. My bootfitter did this on my intuitions. Basically cut a half moon type shape that goes from the top of your toes back to almost where the tongue starts (like if you cut the front 3rd off an insole and stuck it to the top of your boot). I haven’t yet had the courage to do this to my zips.


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[TAFKALVS]

try corking the tongue all the way down to the instep. Kinda sounds like your shell fit is too big, could try to mitigate it with next size up liner or see if you can double footbed.

when zipfits are fit correctly into the correct shell for the user it’s the best thing ever. Chasing size and space problems is difficult especially with the low volume of the neoprene toe box. I feel bad for the guys that are constantly chasing problems. My three pairs of boots and 3 sets of liners takes less then two hours total.

I’m in a 10.5 street shoe and a 26.5 Lange Rx/Shadow/XT3.

Another shell size down and I’ll need to have my toes removed.

Overall it seems Lange is adding more and more interior height to their last. I’ve been in the RS/RX for the last 12 years, and my OG RX had significantly less instep and toe box height.

Maybe the better question I should be asking is what boot has the lowest height instep and toe box height.

[Marshal Olson]

Bontex shim to lift foot in the shell?
you can use 2 small drops of super glue to take it to the Zappa but still have it easily removable if it really helps and you don’t want it sliding around in the shell

edit to add. I have a very tall instep, historically anlways skied with first annd second buckles flapping in the breeze, and the current gen Lange molds are the only boots I’ve ever had to add tension to the first and second buckles.

[The Iron Horse]

I’ve since heard you can order all leather Gara LV from zipfit (it’s not on their website)…THAT would be sweet.

Has this been verified? That would change everything.

[GoldenBC]

For those with low volume forefoot:

Shim the bootboard. Take the bootboard out, cut a shim to match, duct tape shin to board and wrap the tape around the edge of the board. Zero chance of the liner messing with it. If you can’t take out your bootboard, put the shims inside your liner.

Also, cork to the bottom of the tongue and then do your boots up from the top down to prevent the cork from being pushed up.

[TAFKALVS]

Bontex shim to lift foot in the shell?
you can use 2 small drops of super glue to take it to the Zappa but still have it easily removable if it really helps and you don’t want it sliding around in the shell

edit to add. I have a very tall instep, and the current gen Lange molds are the only boots I’ve ever had to add tension to the first and second buckles.

The biggest problem I have with bontex shims is it then pushes me up higher in to heel pocket, which makes the rest of the boot fit get screwy around the ankle and elsewhere.

I used to have a narrow foot that would fit in to a plug with little trouble. As I’ve aged my arches have flattened out making my foot fairly wide relative to what it was but also very low height.

Add in big calves and ankles, it makes boot fitting very frustrating.

I’m literally open to trying any boot at this point. Maybe a Dalbello or Scarpa?

[jackattack]

The biggest problem I have with bontex shims is it then pushes me up higher in to heel pocket, which makes the rest of the boot fit get screwy around the ankle and elsewhere.

I used to have a narrow foot that would fit in to a plug with little trouble. As I’ve aged my arches have flattened out making my foot fairly wide relative to what it was but also very low height.

Add in big calves and ankles, it makes boot fitting very frustrating.

I’m literally open to trying any boot at this point. Maybe a Dalbello or Scarpa?

Do you have a proper footbed? Support the arch and get your fit back.

[wilcox510]

So what are the pros and cons of zipfits vs foam liners like Sidas or Boot Doc? Seems like pros of Zipfits are you aren't reliant on having a highly skilled bootfitter to inject the liner, and it isn't a "one and done" that can get messed up with injection, it can be used in different shells if you change boots. Is one style warmer than the other? Other pros to injected foam liners?

[arild]

I've finally done it. Achieved zipfit fitting nirvana.

8 tubes of cork each liner, 6 in the tongues, one each side over malleolus, rearwards to achilles. Now like perfectly fitting, actually super nice and warm vices. Corsas in raptors.

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[pfluffenmeister]

I've finally done it. Achieved zipfit fitting nirvana.

8 tubes of cork each liner, 6 in the tongues, one each side over malleolus, rearwards to achilles. Now like perfectly fitting, actually super nice and warm vices. Corsas in raptors.

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Isn't it lovely?
I've skied 22 days in the last 35 and feet have never been happier!

Skiing tightness all day long!

PS The R120ST kills it!

[DoubleBogey]

So what are the pros and cons of zipfits vs foam liners like Sidas or Boot Doc? Seems like pros of Zipfits are you aren't reliant on having a highly skilled bootfitter to inject the liner, and it isn't a "one and done" that can get messed up with injection, it can be used in different shells if you change boots. Is one style warmer than the other? Other pros to injected foam liners?

There are no con’s. They’re the best liner you can buy and it’s not even close. Outlast everything you mentioned, the fit is always adjusting, you can always adjust them. Add cork, take cork out etc… They’ll outlast half dozen pairs on intuitions.

[DoubleBogey]

I've finally done it. Achieved zipfit fitting nirvana.

8 tubes of cork each liner, 6 in the tongues, one each side over malleolus, rearwards to achilles. Now like perfectly fitting, actually super nice and warm vices. Corsas in raptors.

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It took me a short while to get there but once I did, nirvana was achieved My right foot was dialed pretty much immediately. My left foot, however, is slightly lower volume. I messed with it for a while, added cork, moved some around, and I remember getting off the chair and I didn’t have to shove my heel back and thought, there it is, this is what everyone talks about. Bliss

[Marshal Olson]

I've finally done it. Achieved zipfit fitting nirvana.

8 tubes of cork each liner, 6 in the tongues, one each side over malleolus, rearwards to achilles. Now like perfectly fitting, actually super nice and warm vices. Corsas in raptors.

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YES!!!!

[Marshal Olson]

So what are the pros and cons of zipfits vs foam liners like Sidas or Boot Doc? Seems like pros of Zipfits are you aren't reliant on having a highly skilled bootfitter to inject the liner, and it isn't a "one and done" that can get messed up with injection, it can be used in different shells if you change boots. Is one style warmer than the other? Other pros to injected foam liners?

Foam CAN ski amazing. But results are highly constrained by the fitter, them delivering exactly what you want, and factors that are often times outside the fitter's ability to control. I am batting 1 for 2 in good foams myself (both done by extremely skilled fitters). Also, foam liners don't really go from shell to shell (if you switch brand or change from one model to another). Like really at all in my experience. Foam liner toeboxes that I have seen are all very narrow too.

I probably got 250-300 (4 or 5 seasons) days out of a Surefoot liner before it was broken down to the point of being painful and I was over buckling all over. I am at 13 seasons on a pair of zips (at least 600 or 700 days), and while I just molded a fresh pair, it was mainly because I was in an LV and wanted to start fresh with an MV and not shoot a bajillion tubes in. So laziness not necessity.

Warmer and not warmer (IMO) is about blood flow in your foot alot more than its about insulation. Ski boots with liners are inherently warm, unless you have nerve or bloodflow challenges, and if so, just add batteries!

[DoubleBogey]

Like Marshal said, often times people that say they get cold toes in Zipfit have their buckles too tight because that’s what they’re used to in a standard liner. The nice thing about Zips is you don’t have crank your buckles down if your fit is right which makes them extremely comfortable.

[Marshal Olson]

How long are folks finding it takes to break in the synthetic material of the exterior on the current gara? The material is so rigid comparatively. Having a little buyers remorse for not going with the workhorse. :/

[DoubleBogey]

What do you mean by break in? I’m not sure it’s going to mold very well.

[DoubleBogey]

20-30 days. That crease in the lower heel is from traveling.

[Skeeze]

It took me about 10 days and 2 bakes to fully adjust to the Gara HV. Then another 5 days to realize I needed one more tube of cork in the ankle pockets of one boot, and then just one more day to realize that I also need more cork in the tongue of that boot.

So I’d say 15-20 days to reach boot nirvana, although that was my first ever ZipFit experience and I think it would have been quicker if I was coming from older zips

[Marshal Olson]

(very mild) Buyers remorse confirmed, but that's OK, I'll get over it as soon as I go skiing this afternoon, lol!

[ASP]

Anyone think you can get a work horse in a 96mm shell with 5mm 10mm shell fit?

[DoubleBogey]

Probably have to remove cork

[J. Barron DeJong]

I've finally done it. Achieved zipfit fitting nirvana.

8 tubes of cork each liner, 6 in the tongues, one each side over malleolus, rearwards to achilles. Now like perfectly fitting, actually super nice and warm vices. Corsas in raptors.

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Arild, did you have any issues with pressure on the bump on top of your foot above your arch (medial cuneiform, I believe)?

Got my new Corsas and and the seam on the liner goes right over that bump, and the edge of the tongue cut-out is right above it as well. Basically everything comes together at the worst spot possible.

Switching out the Zipfit tongue for the tongue from the stock Lange RS 140 liner is much better right now since it has rigid plastic across that whole area which protects the bone from pressure cause by the liner seam.

Not sure it’s a problem some cork is going to solve, but this is my first experience with Zipfits so could be wrong.