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[Mazderati]

Flatten power curves, better start/stop integration, takeoff, bump in MPG. Pros but also cons.

[jm2e]

Flatten power curves, better start/stop integration, takeoff, bump in MPG. Pros but also cons.

Right out of the brochure!

1) lackluster performance compared with an adequately powered gas engine.
2) lackluster improvement in MPG compared to anything that’s actually trying to make a difference.
3) wildly more complicated.
4) already being phased out.



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[Mazderati]

Complication is a con. They are literal and figurative gap fillers.

[Core Shot]

Sick video from BAT
I would die if I owned that car.

[riser4]

The Carvana add where the wife sells her husband's truck and he buys it back. That is so fucked up on so many levels.

[whyturn]

I replaced the headlight assembly on my 05 forester after years of cleaning and dealing with poor light. OEM assembly and sylvania 9003 LED lights and it’s so much brighter and clearer. Will put PPF on and it will outlast the vehicle All ready for the winter snow storms.


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[mattig]

What is a "mild hybrid?"

1 year into the plug-in hybrid ownership experience and it's pretty f'in sweet. Only real gripe is that it's obviously heavier than it's pure ICE version.

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[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

What is a "mild hybrid?"

No plug in.

[Innominatus]

[video of BAC Mono going up Deer Creek / High Grade [/video]

Sick video from BAT
I would die if I owned that car.

Naaah, you'd be fine. Just stick to the fundamentals of corner entry and throttle application and you'd be surprised how easy it is to drive, at least at medium speeds (as in the vid.) That Mono looks to have been set up to understeer as well (as evidenced by the driver turning in early and adding steering angle mid corner), so that takes a lot of the bite out of it.

[Timberridge]

There are cars where active lane assist is on by default? VAG doesn't do that.

BMW

Probably a good thing. They used to be the Ultimate Driver's Machine, now they're the Ultimate Distraction Machine. They've gone and touch screened everything.

[Timberridge]

Speaking of. I've driven a couple of EV's now for maybe 20mins max, but I drove my BILs Rivian on Sunday for about 2 hrs through traffic and on highway. For him it's the greatest thing, but I was physically sick afterward. Between the regen braking, trying to focus on the touchscreen to change a temp setting or the radio (and all the auto features he had enabled to keep himself on the road and out of the back end of the car in front of him) I couldn't wait to get out and drive my own car again. I suppose alot of that is his doing with settings, and a matter of getting used to it.

...but man, I'm gonna have a hard time going full electric.

[BmillsSkier]

Speaking of. I've driven a couple of EV's now for maybe 20mins max, but I drove my BILs Rivian on Sunday for about 2 hrs through traffic and on highway. For him it's the greatest thing, but I was physically sick afterward. Between the regen braking, trying to focus on the touchscreen to change a temp setting or the radio (and all the auto features he had enabled to keep himself on the road and out of the back end of the car in front of him) I couldn't wait to get out and drive my own car again. I suppose alot of that is his doing with settings, and a matter of getting used to it.

...but man, I'm gonna have a hard time going full electric.

This sums up my EV experience to date, including my BiL's new Rivian. On our drive in it he spent the entire time futzing with the screen and anything else not involved with the act of driving. It was incredibly unnerving.

While I have yet to get behind the wheel of an Audi e-tron GT or Porsche Taycan, I have to assume that the wisdom shared here (by Art maybe?) of "Electric Vehicles are made with people in mind who put actual driving somewhere about 7th on their list of priorities when behind the wheel" holds true for the segment as a whole.

[Core Shot]

I can’t stand touchscreen.
Give me heat ac and radio controls. Please.

And it’s not just ev. I rented a Mazda 5 many years ago and it just pissed me off.

So we have laws against handheld cell phones. But these cars you have to scroll through touchscreens to adjust the heat? wtf.

PS. I do love Apple car play for tunes and nav.
Sony makes one that doesn’t need to be plugged in.
Slick as snot. It uses WiFi oddly. No Bluetooth.
Highly recommended

[Timberridge]

I've also come to realize that flat power curves are boring. Give me a nice hit around 1/2 way up the tach all the way to near redline.

[MontuckyFried]

What is a "mild hybrid?"

I think it's basically a hybrid but with a teeny tiny battery compared to traditional ones. Just enough to get the car rolling from a stop (which is the majority of energy required I believe) and also making auto-stop/start NOT suck, as I've learned in this thread.

[MontuckyFried]

While I have yet to get behind the wheel of an Audi e-tron GT or Porsche Taycan, I have to assume that the wisdom shared here (by Art maybe?) of "Electric Vehicles are made with people in mind who put actual driving somewhere about 7th on their list of priorities when behind the wheel" holds true for the segment as a whole.

Might be a lot of truth to that. Based on the amount of Chevy Trax and other similarly lame vehicles on the road, I'm under the impression that the majority of drivers think of their vehicles as mere appliances and care not whatsoever about the driving experience. many EVs reflect that. They sure get up and go well enough, but are basically iPads on wheels.

I've heard great things about the Taycan and e-tron though. The Taycan Sport Turismo would definitely be high on my list if I were in the market for an EV. So hawt...

[Mazderati]

I think the defining feature is not being able to decouple the fuel engine from the electric motor. Mild hybrids cannot operate solely under electric power.

[MontuckyFried]

That's not how it works. The Toyota hybrids use a sort of starter, but not in a traditional sense - Google and see.

The second gen Prius has no direct connection between the engine and wheels. Without electricity, the ICE cannot move the car.

The drivetrain consists of two motor/generators: MG 2 which is a drive motor connected to the wheels, and MG 1 which is connected to the gas engine via a planetary gear set and clutch/flywheel. The ratio between the two MGs is about 2.5 to 1.

When the car is on, and the traction battery has a sufficient state of charge, if the driver commands a subtle acceleration, MG 2 will provide the power to the wheels directly. MG 1 will freewheel backwards, and the engine won't spin.

When the car hits about 35 mph, MG 1 is close to its rev limit, so a charge is applied to electromagnetically slow it, which in turn starts the ICE. So it doesn't have the luxury of idling, and goes straight to work.

That is very cool, and thanks for educating me on how Prius drivetrains work (learn something new every day, huh?!), but it still doesn't demonstrate how they've "proved start/stop is a non-issue" as it is ENTIRELY different system than the piece of crap AS/S systems in technologically inferior vehicles like my rental Pacifica. That is a traditional engine with a traditional starter with a traditional transmission. Auto stop-start sucks in that application. In the Prius and other good hybrids, it's seamless, and agreed. A total non-issue IN THOSE.

[MontuckyFried]

I think the defining feature is not being able to decouple the fuel engine from the electric motor. Mild hybrids cannot operate solely under electric power.

The Corvette E-Ray can.

[Mazderati]

Is the E-Ray marketed as a mild hybrid?

[Timberridge]

A wild hybrid

[MontuckyFried]

Is the E-Ray marketed as a mild hybrid?

The original press material sure did.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/...cqn?li=AAwnIv4
"The mild-hybrid E-Ray was unveiled last week." "The mild-hybrid Corvette E-Ray was revealed last week..."

They've changed their marketing angle lately probably based on marketing polling/data, but it's still a "mild-hybrid" at the end of the day. Freaking amazing car btw. Nothing wrong with its system IMO. Hauls balls.

[BmillsSkier]

A wild hybrid

[gravitylover]

He's standing because he doesn't fit in the chair

[Touring_Sedan]

That is very cool, and thanks for educating me on how Prius drivetrains work (learn something new every day, huh?!), but it still doesn't demonstrate how they've "proved start/stop is a non-issue" as it is ENTIRELY different system than the piece of crap AS/S systems in technologically inferior vehicles like my rental Pacifica. That is a traditional engine with a traditional starter with a traditional transmission. Auto stop-start sucks in that application. In the Prius and other good hybrids, it's seamless, and agreed. A total non-issue IN THOSE.

Ummm....... Sounds like you might be wrong?
Which isn't to say it's not a POS, but not quite "traditional."

"How does the Chrysler Pacifica Plug-in Hybrid technology system work?

It is pretty complex, but we'll try to simplify it for you. The Chrysler Pacifica Plug-in Hybrid utilizes two electric drive motors, a planetary gear set and a one-way clutch internal to its transmission. Each electric drive motor has a primary function. One motor is used for charging the high-voltage battery and starting the gas engine while the other is used solely for electric drive operation. The Pacifica Plug-in Hybrid is unique in that given the one-way clutch, the charging/starting motor can also be used in dual motor electric drive. This additional functionality maximizes efficiency and also allows for optimum all-electric drive vehicle speed. The V6 engine is seamlessly integrated into the powertrain and contributes toward high-voltage battery charging or vehicle propulsion automatically based on driving conditions. Both motors are constantly working to best integrate electric power versus gas (until charge is depleted) or vice versa. The system is consistently monitoring to provide you with maximum fuel efficiency."