Your Everyday Touring Pack

[Ville]

Thanks for those of you who subscribed! It means a lot!

For those just seeing the thread now you can read the overview of the pack I am developing earlier in the thread and put your email in at raideresearch.com to be notified on launch.



kootenayskier, I don't want to hijack a pack thread with softshell talk so please DM me with what you would like to see in a softshell pant.

Subscribed. Very interested about your backpack(and softshells too). I do around 80 touring days per season, work&free time and looking for perfect pack has been never ending mission. Things that seems little bit annoying when shopping, turn into bigger problems when it's windy, dark and -25c and you deal with it everyday. So far Spindrift has been best but little bit too small from my packs.

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[kootenayskier]

Thanks for those of you who subscribed! It means a lot!

For those just seeing the thread now you can read the overview of the pack I am developing earlier in the thread and put your email in at raideresearch.com to be notified on launch.



kootenayskier, I don't want to hijack a pack thread with softshell talk so please DM me with what you would like to see in a softshell pant.

Perhaps I’ll start (or contribute to) a dedicated softshell pant thread.

[kootenayskier]

Thanks for those of you who subscribed! It means a lot!

For those just seeing the thread now you can read the overview of the pack I am developing earlier in the thread and put your email in at raideresearch.com to be notified on launch.



kootenayskier, I don't want to hijack a pack thread with softshell talk so please DM me with what you would like to see in a softshell pant.

Perhaps I’ll start (or contribute to) a dedicated softshell pant thread.

[climberevan]

Perhaps I’ll start (or contribute to) a dedicated softshell pant thread.

Please, at least use the search function first (JONG).

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=317070

[kootenayskier]

Thanks for those of you who subscribed! It means a lot!

For those just seeing the thread now you can read the overview of the pack I am developing earlier in the thread and put your email in at raideresearch.com to be notified on launch.



kootenayskier, I don't want to hijack a pack thread with softshell talk so please DM me with what you would like to see in a softshell pant.

See:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...i-pants/page11

[davjr96]

Just got an email for this https://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/products/crux-40

Holy expensive batman!

[ASmileyFace]

The Crux has the avalanche pouch inside the pack again... why? That's my main complaint about my BD cirque and only reason I was looking to get a Headwall at all.

Hyperlite's pricing structure is whack too. Mass produced packs in Mexico are nearly the same price as custom ones in the USA. If I am going to spend $500+ might as well pony up a little more for a fully custom pack.

[Westcoaster]

Just got an email for this https://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/products/crux-40

Holy expensive batman!

What a moronic design. The soft pockets have no place in skiing.

[tang]

For $25 more you can get diagonal carry! Oh, and add on a $19 voile strap. Sternum strap and whistle comes standard tho - steal!

[davjr96]

It’s not even that light… roughly the weight of the descentionist and heavier than the head wall 55

[riff]

I’ve cooled considerably on Hyperlite in the last year or two, after being something of a fanboy. I wore out a Ultamid 4 in 40 days of use, to the point it has a cartoonish amount of tyvek tape on it, and was told to send it in for “patches” when i reached out. The fabric was riddled with micro tears from wind. The same year a hip belt came completely off a Porter 4400 during a three day traverse, and they told me there was nothing they could do. At all.
I’ve since replaced the Mid with a Mountain Laurel Designs one that is the same size, same weight, and half the price in sil-nylon. The money I saved there let me work with McHale to get a pack that actually carries well and will last a long time. None of it is cheap, but I’m solidly stoked on heavier but reliable equipment right now.

As for that pack, maybe some of the features are decent but I agree stretchy fabric is a short term choice, and the 50 lb load rating seems hard to believe unless they have some new magic in there that’s different than my current Hyperlites.


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[concierge]

Just got an email for this https://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/products/crux-40

Holy expensive batman!

The pack I am releasing in a few weeks will be coming in at $349 (maybe even a cheaper launch special), comes in at 1080g so its much lighter, uses more durable ultralight fabric (Challenge Ultra 400x), has a much, much better avy tool carry, a back panel access that actually lets you access all the stuff (Crux is small), and really matches the Crux feature for feature with a better helmet carry, better access and more. If you are considering buying the Crux you will not regret waiting a few weeks. If you need more info feel free to DM and subscribe at raideresearch.com to be notified of the launch.

[ktoor]

got the email too. its a weird tact. their packs used to be ultralight but now theyve slowly added features until this pack is 1250g?

i had been coveting the headwall but i think this pack signals my ticket off the hmg fanboy train. i know its hard to please everyone but whats the selling point now? its essentially a white tax as some packs have many (if not all) the features here at around the same weight and cheaper.

i wish more packs had the strechy external pocket though.


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[climberevan]

The buzz around Hyperlite has always been puzzling to me. They were never much more than stuffsacks with straps... Cilogear had a similar hype, for no good reason. Maybe people fall in love with the white.

You'll be really happy with the McHale pack. Yes, it weighs more, but it will legitimately carry 50# without deforming. I have had 70# in mine (on Denali), and it makes 40# seem like nothing. Plus it will probably last you forever.

For day tours I think hipbelt pockets are non-negotiable, and 25L is just fine for me. In colder places I'd probably want more like 30L. I usually use an even smaller Mont Bell one for solo tours when I don't take a shovel. It has pockets on the shoulder straps as well as hipbelt pockets, and I really love being able to get to snacks & water without removing it.

[mr_pretzel]

1.2kg and still no load lifters…

[mr_pretzel]

I’ve cooled considerably on Hyperlite in the last year or two, after being something of a fanboy. I wore out a Ultamid 4 in 40 days of use, to the point it has a cartoonish amount of tyvek tape on it, and was told to send it in for “patches” when i reached out. The fabric was riddled with micro tears from wind. The same year a hip belt came completely off a Porter 4400 during a three day traverse, and they told me there was nothing they could do. At all.
I’ve since replaced the Mid with a Mountain Laurel Designs one that is the same size, same weight, and half the price in sil-nylon. The money I saved there let me work with McHale to get a pack that actually carries well and will last a long time. None of it is cheap, but I’m solidly stoked on heavier but reliable equipment right now.

As for that pack, maybe some of the features are decent but I agree stretchy fabric is a short term choice, and the 50 lb load rating seems hard to believe unless they have some new magic in there that’s different than my current Hyperlites.


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Damn that’s a bummer on the mid4, I mean the DCF failing isn’t even HMG’s fault necessarily. The MLD is cool, but those 15cm in height make a big difference IMO

[ptavv]

The buzz around Hyperlite has always been puzzling to me. They were never much more than stuffsacks with straps... Cilogear had a similar hype, for no good reason. Maybe people fall in love with the white.

I'm not sure I'd compare cilogear to Hyperlite at all. The cilogear packs aren't even that light, but my 40B (in the original Xpac and ripstop, before they switched to MOB) looks no worse for the wear a lot of days being treated pretty rough. I've never known anyone with a cilogear pack who has managed to wreck it.

I think the attraction of cilogear is that you can use their d-clip system (or whatever they call it) to arrange a single pack in a huge number of ways and easily attach or detach stuff.

[riff]

The buzz around Hyperlite has always been puzzling to me. They were never much more than stuffsacks with straps... Cilogear had a similar hype, for no good reason. Maybe people fall in love with the white.

You'll be really happy with the McHale pack. Yes, it weighs more, but it will legitimately carry 50# without deforming. I have had 70# in mine (on Denali), and it makes 40# seem like nothing. Plus it will probably last you forever.

For day tours I think hipbelt pockets are non-negotiable, and 25L is just fine for me. In colder places I'd probably want more like 30L. I usually use an even smaller Mont Bell one for solo tours when I don't take a shovel. It has pockets on the shoulder straps as well as hipbelt pockets, and I really love being able to get to snacks & water without removing it.

The Mchale has already done a 100 mile traverse in the chugach and a number of other solid outings- makes a real load feel livable. Worthy purchase for sure !


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[skis_the_trees]

The OG Patagonia Descensionist is 990g for a size M/L 40L pack and checks all the boxes. Some have commented in this thread that it wasn't that durable, but it's been fine for several seasons for me. Good capacity, side and top access, separate avy pocket, simple ice tool carry when needed, single hip pocket. Paraphrasing Colin Haley, its 3000 year old technology - it's amazing how companies can still screw it up.

[climberevan]

I think people just keep falling for new pack mania thanks to wishful thinking. Companies market some new design and people think "this new one will finally be comfortable!"

The answer is to carry less shit and get stronger. If you truly need a heavier load there is no substitute for a frame that actually transfers weight onto the hips, and that's not happening in a 600g pack.

[::: :::]

Am i the only one that thinks white is a bad color for ski fabrics?
I mean, i guess it’s great if you do not want to be seen poaching…

[XXX-er]

The right people don't wear white after labor day

[PinyonJuniper5]

I’m surprised that the Cirque packs get so much hate in this thread. I have owned and used all three versions, (45L, 35L, and currently use the 30LT). It is one of the best laid out packs I’ve ever used, it carries skis really well, keeps my things reasonably organized, and isn’t very heavy (mine weighs in at 725g).

The avalanche took pocket is inside the main pocket, which, in my opinion, is ideal. I’d hate to have an outer, zippered pocket fail for some reason, and then worry about my tools coming out. With the cirque, even if the keeper clip fails, your tools are still secure inside the pack. As for speed in rescue scenarios, the extra 1-2 seconds should not make a difference. If you find the interface fumbly, then practice with it. I don’t see why the internal avy pocket is any worse than the other options out there.

My only gripe about the cirque is that BD used cheap ass fabric, and it doesn’t hold up as well as it should. If there was a cirque made with cordura and xPac/Challenge sailcloth, products, it would be a perfect ski pack.

As for the new hyperlite pack, I’m disappointed. I have an older 70L porter that I use for backpacking, packrafting, and overnight ski trips, and I like it enough. But seeing the new products they are bringing to market makes me think that their company’s priorities have shifted drastically.


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[Benneke10]

As for the new hyperlite pack, I’m disappointed. I have an older 70L porter that I use for backpacking, packrafting, and overnight ski trips, and I like it enough. But seeing the new products they are bringing to market makes me think that their company’s priorities have shifted drastically.

More hype-beast than hyperlite these days

[riff]

I was fine with a Cirque for a few days, but a tree branch destroyed it at mellow speeds with little fanfare; WA demands a tougher fabric. Otherwise not bad for day touring.


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