Electric car thread

[durangobrad]

Picked up a new Model Y LR in Colorado springs and drove home to Durango via Salida with one charging stop. Ditto on the new CO rebates pushing us over the edge.

Initial impressions are promising, from the road trip home, running around town and my daily 40 mile round trip commute, it's been a great experience.

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[gravitylover]

Three WalMarts by me have spent months tearing up pavement to install gas pumps at a cost of who knows how much.

Zero EV chargers added.

Seems incredibly short sighted!

They're just playing to their crowd.


So what do we all think of Toyota's solid state battery announcement a day or two ago? I like the idea of a 500+ mile range at less than Lucid prices.

[ColMan]

So what do we all think of Toyota's solid state battery announcement a day or two ago? I like the idea of a 500+ mile range at less than Lucid prices.

Double the range at 1/2 the cost plus 10min to fully charge will be a gamechanger. Probably won't see mass production for another 5-6 years though.

[frorider]

They're just playing to their crowd.


So what do we all think of Toyota's solid state battery announcement a day or two ago? I like the idea of a 500+ mile range at less than Lucid prices.

This thread has discussed the solid state breakthrough / vision regularly, including Toyota’s various announcements. Previously Toyota was saying 2025 for some level of commercialization, but this latest version of their announcement seems to be saying 2027.

As discussed previously, it’s a weird time to buy an expensive BEV that’ll have shit resale when solid state comes out. Unless solid state is always delayed by ‘another 2 years’ lol.

I think I read that one boutique bev was hoping to include an architecture that would maybe be compatible with some future solid state battery but there are enough unknowns that this seems to be wishful thinking

[gravitylover]

That's what I'm thinking. Lease or stay out of the game until this is the norm. I'm sort of ok with that due to 20¢ kwh (and rising) rates at home. Of course I say that when I don't need a car...

[durangobrad]

They're just playing to their crowd.


So what do we all think of Toyota's solid state battery announcement a day or two ago? I like the idea of a 500+ mile range at less than Lucid prices.

I think for some uses that will be a game changer, but I don't think it matters for a big percent of the uses.

Most ev charging is done at home. I can charge every day at home if I wanted. I can essentially leave for work every day with a 300 mile range, what more do I need?

I'm lucky to have a second vehicle (Tacoma with a go fast camper) for my recreation and long road trips.

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[Kenny Satch]

If I were calling the shots at any EV company I would offer a small trailer battery pack option. Hook it up and go twice as far. Doesn't have to be any bigger than something like a motorcycle sidecar with that aerodynamic design. If you're not doing a lot of hills it won't be burden to haul.

Thought of this when I saw a picture of a Tesla hauling a generator.

OTOH if someone offers these as rentals like like U-Haul or any car rental location where you can drop them off during your stay and then rent another one for your return. You never know but if the demand for the materials wasn't do crazy I think something like this would work.

[nickwm21]

I saw a BZ4X in the flesh yesterday. Didn’t know they were out and about yet.

A mechanical contractor I work with a lot (larger/national commercial) is electrifying their fleet. One of their Supers showed up to my job this morning with a decaled R1T.



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[ColMan]

I think for some uses that will be a game changer, but I don't think it matters for a big percent of the uses.

Most ev charging is done at home. I can charge every day at home if I wanted. I can essentially leave for work every day with a 300 mile range, what more do I need?

I'm lucky to have a second vehicle (Tacoma with a go fast camper) for my recreation and long road trips.

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Ditto - have another car for road trips, towing, etc. We always keep our cars for 15+ years (Sequoia is an '08, wife's Saab is an '07) so not concerned with depreciation when new tech comes out. However, we won't replace the Sequoia with an EV we can take road trips, haul shit, etc. That's the gamechanger - no longer needing at least one ICE vehicle. I'm paying $.26/mile for the Sequoia (14mpg) and will be at $.03/mile for the Tesla (.11 kwh) so looking forward to the day when we can go all EV.

[PB]

Hearing that EV vehicle inventories are bloated, "demand not keeping up with supply " sort of shit. Time to strike the hot iron?

[frorider]

Ditto - have another car for road trips, towing, etc. We always keep our cars for 15+ years (Sequoia is an '08, wife's Saab is an '07) so not concerned with depreciation when new tech comes out. However, we won't replace the Sequoia with an EV we can take road trips, haul shit, etc. That's the gamechanger - no longer needing at least one ICE vehicle. I'm paying $.26/mile for the Sequoia (14mpg) and will be at $.03/mile for the Tesla (.11 kwh) so looking forward to the day when we can go all EV.

And with a BEV, there’s no extra wear and tear associated with short trips. ICE vehicles don’t like daily short trips to the grocery store but like hiway miles.

[WMD]

We are full EV now. Kia EV6 and Ford F150 Lightning, and no more ICE vehicle. We've taken long trips (2,500 miles +) in both vehicles. Long distance is not as convenient as ICE but we won't look back. We love our EVs.

[frorider]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/compan...-it-in-a-miata

Super compact & light ICE likely to be used as BEV range extender.

The animation gif explains the principle well. Pretty cool.

[3pin]

We are full EV now. Kia EV6 and Ford F150 Lightning, and no more ICE vehicle. We've taken long trips (2,500 miles +) in both vehicles. Long distance is not as convenient as ICE but we won't look back. We love our EVs.

We went the same last month, Chevy Bolt in 2020 and now a Lightning. The Lightning is replacing our Volvo wagon for camping, skiing, road trips. While there are definitely some changes to how we plan trips now, we’re also really enjoying it. Some of that is definitely enjoying the conveniences of a modern car (vs an 18yr old Volvo), but I really enjoy the quiet, smoothness, power, reduced maintenance, and home charging convenience of an EV.


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[gravitylover]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/compan...-it-in-a-miata

Super compact & light ICE likely to be used as BEV range extender.

The animation gif explains the principle well. Pretty cool.

I'm a big fan of range extenders but will there be enough of a weight savings over a better, lighter battery pack? As SS comes online will a ~150 pound ICE extender with all of the problems associated with them really be worth it? If you're dealing with current tech yes but not with what's coming.

Im out in Provincetown MA this week and damn there are a lot of e-cars out here.

[NBABUCKS1]

We went the same last month, Chevy Bolt in 2020 and now a Lightning.

I hope within 5 years there are reliable 200+ kw dcfc at a minimum of every 50 miles in even the most rural areas.

I tow quite a bit (for now) and I'd have to rely on level 2 charging (and adding 10 hours to a trip) to get to my weekend commute to my cabin.

[east or bust]

Curious how many miles most of you have on your electric vehicles. My guess is 50-80k or less.

I genuinely wonder how the cost of ownership compares to an ICE at 200k or 250k. My guess is most people don’t hold onto them that long and buy a newer BEV.

That being said, my GF is currently driving her parents hybrid camry that has like 300k on it and the battery only had to be replaced once. Don’t know what year it is but can’t be post 2014.


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[Obstruction]

Curious how many miles most of you have on your electric vehicles. My guess is 50-80k or less.

I genuinely wonder how the cost of ownership compares to an ICE at 200k or 250k. My guess is most people don’t hold onto them that long and buy a newer BEV.

That being said, my GF is currently driving her parents hybrid camry that has like 300k on it and the battery only had to be replaced once. Don’t know what year it is but can’t be post 2014.


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I’m a hybrid fan not quite sold on today’s crop of EVs but I assume I’ll go that route eventually (if my kids don’t confiscate my drivers license by that time.)

Just finished working on my son’s 05 Prius w/265k mi on it. Has its original traction battery and still runs fine. Although the rust is starting to get the better of it and it has its share of quirks. Keeping the dashboard lights off is an ongoing battle.

However based on how impressed I was with the Prius i bought a 2022 RAV4 hybrid and really like the thing despite the fact that it might be the most boring car ever built.

[Dromond]

2022 RAV4 hybrid is a lot more exciting than the 2012 Prius - it’s actually kind of fast. But in general I agree the long term track record of the Toyota hybrid system is astounding. A plug in hybrid is a “perfect today” fit for so many American households - especially if they have just one car for commuting and road trips

[Obstruction]

I really wanted the RAV plug in hybrid but couldn’t bring myself to pay the premium that the dealers were charging in the winter of 2021 when I needed to buy. And it to 3 months to get the plain RAV HYBRID. God knows how long it would’ve taken to get the plug in.

[3pin]

I hope within 5 years there are reliable 200+ kw dcfc at a minimum of every 50 miles in even the most rural areas.

I tow quite a bit (for now) and I'd have to rely on level 2 charging (and adding 10 hours to a trip) to get to my weekend commute to my cabin.

The Bolt is almost exclusively a daily driver in the Seattle/Puget Sound area - small, easy to park, drives well, and fast to charge up at home. We've always charged at home, never needed public charging for it. With the Lightning replacing the Volvo for further trips, that's changing for us now.

More level 3 charger availability is definitely needed, especially if you're road tripping off major interstates. It does seem to be improving with quite a bit coming soon around here, but there are lots of holes in the rural areas. Of our WA camping trips so far this summer, 2 of the 3 have been easy/seamless with level 3 chargers available. On the 3rd trip, we went up to Mazama/Twisp over the 4th of July, and while there's a bunch of free level 2 charging available, there's no level 3. Most of that level 2 works great if you're staying at an inn or rental overnight, but not well-geared to people camping or traveling through. We were able to charge for an afternoon while hanging by the river, but placing a level 3 somewhere at either/both Newhalem and Winthrop would be a game-changer.

The extra charging stops are fine for us since we're usually stopping anyway to give the kids travel breaks. But if I needed to tow for any kind of distance, I don't think I'd be ready to make the switch. The truck would be sweet for local towing, but if you're going anywhere further it's just not ready yet on range or charging infrastructure.

[plugboots]

placing a level 3 somewhere at either/both Newhalem and Winthrop would be a game-changer.

Yeah. 2 Tesla chargers in Newhalem isn’t really cutting it right now.
I really thought our next car would be an EV, but we’re still not there yet. Range is more important to us than chargers. But the car we’re probably gonna get next is that V60 polestar plug-in hybrid.
Adios manual transmission, it was great to know you.

[John_B]

Yeah. 2 Tesla chargers in Newhalem isn’t really cutting it right now.

I'm not super familiar with the qualities of different chargers but I do know that Tesla is putting in 6 or 8 chargers at the old library/new visitor center in Winthrop.

[plugboots]

Yeah, I can park there and walk home to sleep.

[4matic]

Just saw a polestar. Reminded me of: