Meanwhile in Florida...

**gravitylover** · 07-09-2023, 06:20 AM

Heads up if you live in CT, VT, DE, HI or RI - If you go to Florida bring your passport because your state issued ID is now invalid. This also means you can't legally drive a car there. https://www.mychamplainvalley.com/ne...mont-licenses/

PB · 07-09-2023, 09:42 AM

Surprised CA isn't included.

**old goat** · 07-09-2023, 10:32 AM

That law would appear to violate the US Constitution, Article IV. "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State." A driver's license would appear to be a public record.

**Ted Striker** · 07-09-2023, 10:45 AM

It's a little more nuanced https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...n-law/3066073/

That said, fuck DeSantis.

**gravitylover** · 07-09-2023, 12:22 PM

Yeah nuanced but it's still up to the person presenting the potentially invalid license to prove they are a legal citizen. That means you need a federally issued ID, IOW a passport. How many people travel around this country with their passport? I never have, have you? How else can a person prove their identity and citizenship?

**heckacali** · 07-09-2023, 12:34 PM

In reading that article, it doesn't seem like any of the IDs mentioned were actually driver's licenses. They mention ID only cards and learners permits. But I may be mistaken.

**mcski** · 07-09-2023, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by gravitylover

Yeah nuanced but it's still up to the person presenting the potentially invalid license to prove they are a legal citizen. That means you need a federally issued ID, IOW a passport. How many people travel around this country with their passport? I never have, have you? How else can a person prove their identity and citizenship?

CA has been issuing “Real IDs” for a few years now as have other states that are federally recognized just like passports. So that’s one way besides a passport

Back in the olden days, to prove both you have to hand over a DL and a SS card or birth certificate

CA still issues the “regular” licenses and I’m pretty sure undocumented people here can get one, so I’m kind of surprised he didn’t put the Golden State on his list as well

**JayPowHound** · 07-09-2023, 02:07 PM

Mass is doing the "real id" too, I thought everywhere was? My understanding is that in a couple years everyone will need one to board a domestic flight or enter a federal building. I guess driving in FL should be added to that list

**mcski** · 07-09-2023, 02:15 PM

They’ve moved the deadline a couple of times. I think the current date for everyone needing RealID or a passport to fly is 2025

**liv2ski** · 07-09-2023, 02:21 PM

Pffft, like anyone is going to FL.

**old goat** · 07-09-2023, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ted Striker

It's a little more nuanced https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...n-law/3066073/

That said, fuck DeSantis.

Yeah--it sounds like in those states the default license is a real ID license and they have other licenses for people who have not documented their citizenship or legal immigrant status. CA still issues non real ID licenses to undocumented people and also to people who just don't want to bother to go to the DMV in person to renew. The CA Real IDs are easy enough to identify but I guess DeSantis figured it would be too hard for FL cops to figure out. Which is probably right. I still submit that under the Full Faith and Credit clause if someone is legally allowed to drive in one state they should be legally allowed to drive as tourists in any state. But if they move to the state then they have to renew under the new state's laws.

Anyway, like a lot of the FL BS this law has little practical effect--the only people who are going to be applying for federal benefits, which is the only reason besides driving that most people have to show a license, are FL residents. So the law really would affect undocumented immigrants from driving to Disneyland from any of the named states.

This is alll covered in my new podcast--Constitutional Law for Dummies, by Dummies.

**riser4** · 07-10-2023, 07:46 AM

My VT driver's license is both Real ID compliant AND an enhanced Driver's License, meaning it's good to enter federal facilities, use on airplanes, etc, AND cross the land borders with Canada and Mexico. It has the star icon and the American flag icon indicating said statuses. I had to submit proof of citizenship to get the damn thing. I have used it a whole bunch of times to travel between Canada and the US from VT, ME, and NY, including twice in the past week. How the fuck can the ass clowns in FL say that's not a valid DL???

**riser4** · 07-10-2023, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by gravitylover

Yeah nuanced but it's still up to the person presenting the potentially invalid license to prove they are a legal citizen. That means you need a federally issued ID, IOW a passport. How many people travel around this country with their passport? I never have, have you? How else can a person prove their identity and citizenship?

As I posted, my VT ehanhanced DL, while not federally issued, is enough to allow me to present it to the feds for entry into Canada and Mexico and to return to the US. I had to prove my citizenship to get the damn thing.

**Ted Striker** · 07-10-2023, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by gravitylover

Yeah nuanced but it's still up to the person presenting the potentially invalid license to prove they are a legal citizen.

Oh I agree there's a Nazi "your papers, pleaze" element to this - because Florida - but the enhanced ID law is federal. Like it or not, we're all going to have them by 2025.

**altacoup** · 07-10-2023, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by riser4

My VT driver's license is both Real ID compliant AND an enhanced Driver's License, meaning it's good to enter federal facilities, use on airplanes, etc, AND cross the land borders with Canada and Mexico. It has the star icon and the American flag icon indicating said statuses. I had to submit proof of citizenship to get the damn thing. I have used it a whole bunch of times to travel between Canada and the US from VT, ME, and NY, including twice in the past week. How the fuck can the ass clowns in FL say that's not a valid DL???

Maybe actually read what IDs are invalid. Yours is valid in Florida, if you want to visit that shit hole state.

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**plugboots** · 07-10-2023, 10:24 AM

Flight was heading to FL:

**Dantheman** · 07-10-2023, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by plugboots

Flight was heading to FL:

Even by YT standards the comments are insane. Solid majority of people saying she clearly saw a shapeshifter/skinwalker/demon/etc. and that they have seen such things themselves. Quite a few people asserting that she reportedly saw this "not real" person's eyes blink sideways.

**gravitylover** · 07-10-2023, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by riser4

My VT driver's license is both Real ID compliant AND an enhanced Driver's License, meaning it's good to enter federal facilities, use on airplanes, etc, AND cross the land borders with Canada and Mexico. It has the star icon and the American flag icon indicating said statuses. I had to submit proof of citizenship to get the damn thing. I have used it a whole bunch of times to travel between Canada and the US from VT, ME, and NY, including twice in the past week. How the fuck can the ass clowns in FL say that's not a valid DL???

Originally Posted by altacoup

Maybe actually read what IDs are invalid. Yours is valid in Florida, if you want to visit that shit hole state.

This. Well sorta. My delivery was gonna be a little softer

**AK47bp** · 07-10-2023, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Even by YT standards the comments are insane. Solid majority of people saying she clearly saw a shapeshifter/skinwalker/demon/etc. and that they have seen such things themselves. Quite a few people asserting that she reportedly saw this "not real" person's eyes blink sideways.

Ambien is one helluva drug.

**skaredshtles** · 07-10-2023, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Even by YT standards the comments are insane. Solid majority of people saying she clearly saw a shapeshifter/skinwalker/demon/etc. and that they have seen such things themselves. Quite a few people asserting that she reportedly saw this "not real" person's eyes blink sideways.

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**Harry** · 07-10-2023, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Even by YT standards the comments are insane. Solid majority of people saying she clearly saw a shapeshifter/skinwalker/demon/etc. and that they have seen such things themselves. Quite a few people asserting that she reportedly saw this "not real" person's eyes blink sideways.

Holy fuck those comments are insane. Hundreds of people legit talking about Shape Shifters, Lizard People, demons, etc.. All the comments about eyes that blink sideways. JFC our society is doomed.

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**up an down** · 07-10-2023, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Harry

Holy fuck those comments are insane. Hundreds of people legit talking about Shape Shifters, Lizard People, demons, etc.. All the comments about eyes that blink sideways. JFC our society is doomed.

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A sizable percentage of people seem to have always believed crazy shit...