Zipfit Grand Fuckin’ Teton Liner

[eSock]

Curious if anyone uses their gft liner as a do it all travel liner? Is it comparable to am inbounds liner on the way down? Or would Gara be better "do it all" setup?

[Westcoaster]

Curious if anyone uses their gft liner as a do it all travel liner? Is it comparable to am inbounds liner on the way down? Or would Gara be better "do it all" setup?

I've done this for touring focused trips with a couple days in bounds. It's fine, but way lower volume and softer than a gara. That being said, a Cochise shell +gft is probably as high performance hybrid as you can get.

[GoldenBC]

Curious if anyone uses their gft liner as a do it all travel liner? Is it comparable to am inbounds liner on the way down? Or would Gara be better "do it all" setup?

The GFT definitely skis down better than a Gara walks. Unless your boot is way too soft, the GFT is a sweet upgrade to any alpine boot.

[Lantern]

Is it plausible (it’s an expensive road to go down) that Zipfits could actually work to take up all the volume she’d need to make one of the mid-volume, do it all, 1300gm touring boots ski and and walk like the 93-95mm touring boot she actually requires?

If her foot is truly that small, a zipfits won’t convert a mid volume touring boot into a higher compression ultra low volume fit.
Zips are great for snugging up a shell that’s pretty close, but the areas outside the cork pockets will still feel roomy. Forefoot width obviously, but also base of heels and lower achilles.

[kootenayskier]

If her foot is truly that small, a zipfits won’t convert a mid volume touring boot into a higher compression ultra low volume fit.
Zips are great for snugging up a shell that’s pretty close, but the areas outside the cork pockets will still feel roomy. Forefoot width obviously, but also base of heels and lower achilles.

Thanks. That makes sense.

[bthomson22]

Where does everyone stand on removing the liner strap and/or laces to improve walkability? I removed the strap for a tour yesterday and found it walked much better, with the downside of the tongue doesn't stay as tight to the shin. I was able to remedy this by using my power strap half on the liner and half on the shell. Will probably go with this going forward, and just add more cork to the tongue. Boot is a ZGTP (25.5 with 25.5 liner).

When I got home I removed the laces as well, and was surprised that it's still quite easy to step into the boot, and that it walks even better. Has me seriously considering going lace-less as well. What are you all doing?

[GoldenBC]

The only thing the strap and laces do for me is make the liner stiffer. In doing that, it kills the walk mode because it forces the entire liner to flex rather than allowing the tongue and cuff to act separately. . I pulled the strap off right away and now just have the laces only on the bottom fabric lace loop to keep the ankle tight when the boot is loose. Also, if you are using laces, get rid of the toggles for tightening and tie it shoe laces style. No plastic thing on your shin and you don’t have 12” of extra laces flopping around.

As for keeping the tongue tight to your shin, put your power strap above the shell, only on your liner. I find the GFT tongue to be concave so it does make the strap try to slide down. Remedy this by running your strap through the tongue pull loop or duct tape a 2” long rigid piece of material to the pull loop and run your strap above it. This will create a catch for your strap to sit on. Will post pics later.

[PlayItLeo]

Also, if you are using laces, get rid of the toggles for tightening and tie it shoe laces style. No plastic thing on your shin and you don’t have 12” of extra laces flopping around.

Been in Zips for years and this is 100% truth.


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[Mailman]

Has anyone run their GFTs in alpine boots? How’d they ski?

I have a pair of pretty beat World Cups in my Hawk Ultras and have the GFTs in my Hawx Ultra XTDs. I was thinking about replacing the World Cups, but am wondering if I’d be just as well served by running the GFTs in both boots given the shells are pretty much identical other than the walk mode on the XTDs.

[enginerd]

Can’t hurt to try? Is the shell fit different between the two? Folks at oly said the GFT actually has more cork in the rear ankle area so heel hold might be better than gara lv.


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[SoVT Joey]

The hold will be better but the GFT is like a whiskey dick compared to the gara or World Cup. So it’s definitely not going to be as stiff or respond as well. But will be able to go all night.

[bthomson22]

Only thing I didn't love about the GFT in the Zero Gs was that liner cuff was much higher than the shell. Picked up one of those Atomic dual straps and so far seems like the move. Excited to try this out - might be the last thing needed to make this the perfect boot for me (famous last words).

[GoldenBC]

Jealous. I ordered a dual strap 8 months ago and it still hasn’t shown. I will also be replacing the wire buckles with something like the Hawx buckles to make for easier latching.

[Seeburglar]

Does anyone have any experience running GFT's in tele boots? I really like my TX Pro's, but I've got some skinnie little feet (alpine boots run a 97mm last), so the wide lasts of the scarpa's aren't the best. I'm thinking about getting some GFT's, and throwing some extra cork in there to take up the volume. Anyone have experience doing something similar?

[jackattack]

I ski my tx comps with regular zips. I’m sure the gft would work the same.

[bthomson22]

Jealous. I ordered a dual strap 8 months ago and it still hasn’t shown. I will also be replacing the wire buckles with something like the Hawx buckles to make for easier latching.

I think you'll be a fan. My goal was to mimic (or improve) the same "close to shin" feeling when you use the built-in liner strap. My first attempt was using 3 tubes of cork - no dice. I find the liner strap affects ROM when walking, so hopefully this is the best of both worlds.

Interesting choice on replacing the buckles. Would be curious to see what that looks like. I haven't had any complaints with the buckles personally, but I do happen to have an old pair of Hawx XTD laying around. So If I ever do have issues I could be tempted to try that as well.

[SoVT Joey]

Does anyone have any experience running GFT's in tele boots? I really like my TX Pro's, but I've got some skinnie little feet (alpine boots run a 97mm last), so the wide lasts of the scarpa's aren't the best. I'm thinking about getting some GFT's, and throwing some extra cork in there to take up the volume. Anyone have experience doing something similar?

the cork pockets still don’t run that far out into the last of the boot, it is more neoprene out there then anything else. I would be half tempted in your situation to size up on the liner and put more volume in there if you go with a GFT. Or get a higher volume Zipfit then the GFT. Like a gara hv or a freeride. But those still aren’t giving that much more volume to the last area of the foot….

needless to say I would find a Zipfit dealer and go stuff the two different sizes in your boot.

the gara does ski a lot better then the GFT. The stiffness is definitely noticeable when I change liners. I have skied my GFT and my gara stealth in the same boot on the same day. I could definitely feel the stiffness difference. I would tour in a gara if the cork didn’t move around as much as it does when hiking. The GFT doesn’t have a cork migration problem that is noticeable to me at least.

[sammyk]

Wat about the GFT in the Tigard?? Need to get this stock liner out ASAP

[Toddball]

I have GFTs in Tx Pros, and also like a 97mm last in alpine boots. After adding I think 2.5 tubes of cork to each liner, the GFTs are pretty amazing. Definitely not the lightest touring boots out there, but the added weight is worth it for me over Intuitions that pack out too quickly.

[Yukonrider]

Thinking about putting these into some 1300g touring boots (Atomic Backland XTD Carbons). Recently diagnosed myself with a Mortons Neuroma, and want to add more width in the front, but my chicken ankles are already feeling a little loose after 3 days in the stock liners.

Will I regret adding these to a lightweight boot? Sounds like everyone is happy so far, but I'm already 1k into the boots, and don't want to be 1500 into something that isn't going to be 100%.

[sweatypowderpig]

Thinking about putting these into some 1300g touring boots (Atomic Backland XTD Carbons). Recently diagnosed myself with a Mortons Neuroma, and want to add more width in the front, but my chicken ankles are already feeling a little loose after 3 days in the stock liners.

Will I regret adding these to a lightweight boot? Sounds like everyone is happy so far, but I'm already 1k into the boots, and don't want to be 1500 into something that isn't going to be 100%.

i'd say go for it. if you're already feeling ankle looseness at 3 days, it's only going to worse and you'll need to take up that volume somehow.
if you don't like em, i can't imagine you'll have much difficulty selling them near the purchase price.
those aren't exactly gagnoux mountain boots either. the downhill performance and comfort will more than offset any perceived weight penalty.

[zion zig zag]

Thinking about putting these into some 1300g touring boots (Atomic Backland XTD Carbons). Recently diagnosed myself with a Mortons Neuroma, and want to add more width in the front, but my chicken ankles are already feeling a little loose after 3 days in the stock liners.

Will I regret adding these to a lightweight boot? Sounds like everyone is happy so far, but I'm already 1k into the boots, and don't want to be 1500 into something that isn't going to be 100%.

You don't think you can address this with some Intuitions and footbeds? I also have Morton's Neuroma, both feet, one foot has had surgery to correct and the other foot can be fairly painful. I also just got some new Backland Carbon XTD's and have zero days in them, I haven't really even done an in depth try on yet to be honest. I've been in Scarpa Maestrales for the past 5-6 years. Like you I also have wide forefeet and skinny heels.

For me, if I need to correct the fit, I'll start with an insole that has a Met pad, probably a Sole brand. My next move would be an intuition and punches.

[Toddball]

I've had good luck snugging up loose heel hold with Intuitions using instep pads, such as: https://www.slidewright.com/dp/wrap-...s-lg-1-8-inch/

May not solve your problem, but a much cheaper experiment than ZipFits.

[Ørion]

Jeff with Zipfit dropped an interesting little tidbit in this interview that a lighter-than-GFT touring liner is in the works:

https://youtu.be/xGram88YqNY?si=_6CKLzZgS7vK7b9g&t=4203

(starting at around 1:10 if the link doesn't take you directly there)

[GoldenBC]

Anyone running a single set of GFT liners in both their ZGTPs and Cochise? I wear the cochise for inbounds/slack-country duty but my liner is shot. I just put some Intutions in my ZGTPs but figure I will want to use the zipfits in them too if I spend the dough. I wear 28.5 in both boots so I was thinking 29.5 for the liner... thoughts?

The Cochise is much roomier than the 0G. If you’re the type of person who would add a bunch of cork to make the Cochise feel snug everywhere ei th no voids, it would be too tight in the 0G.

Since you need them for your Cochise, you may as well fit them for those boots and then see how it goes with the 0G. Perhaps you can just not add cork to the Cochise and buckle it a little tighter to compensate.

I size up in my Zipfit. If you have a 10mm shell fit or don’t like the feeling of a tight sock, size up. Haven’t found a downside to it yet.