Bringing Back The Best: Lotii And Other Assorted Love Songs

[MagnificentUnicorn]

No, the factory had that mold already from back in the day, so there wasn't a setup cost.

? What ski came out of the mold?


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[Marshal Olson]

? What ski came out of the mold?


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Blossom's house brand for certain, I don't know if other brands have used the 120 or 99 molds from them. Both of those shapes entered Blossom's line about 10 years ago and haven't changed since... cause you know... why change stuff that is super dialed! haha

edit to add, I do change them up by construction, rocker/camber, etc. but I use their cassette molds on the R87, R99, R120

[jackattack]

? What ski came out of the mold?


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Blossom has a 99mm freeride ski

[fool]

Yew!

A few more design thoughts on radius... So the key thing to remember, alot like Shane's thought on the original spatulats, is that you just need a little mental floss.

So what big radius skis can't do is roll up on edge with a subtle movement of the ankle and carve a low/mid speed carve across the fall line. But... that isn't what this ski is for! Thats what 99mm daily drive skis are for!

What a big radius ski adds is much more about 3d snow (read, anything soft, not just pure pow).

Firstly, becuase there isn't a bunch of radius in the tips or tails, the ski won't hook or do weird things in variable snow, wind crust etc. They just slide through and cut far more clean.

Secondarily, with a big radius ski, you end up with a proportionally narrower tip and wider width underfoot than a ski with comparable surface area which again, helps with stability, and less likely to deflect as you ski through chopped up snow, especially when it is heavier denser snow.

Lastly, on a big radius ski, the ski releases and drifts turns much smooth and more predictably (especially in windbuff), because there isn't a bunch of sidecut underfoot trying to grab the snow.

Big radius skis certainly turn well, and when you are used to them, can make any turnshape you want, they just turn from a little bit different input than a 20m radius ski!

So yeah, skis in the 40m+ zone are not really for everyone, but they are something special for those that love how they ride!

Hope that helps

Lastly, the 46.3m is not the smallest radius on tap from HL... not is it the biggest! But it, in our view, the perfect sweet spot for a freeride ski. Cheers!

Makes total sense and a great perspective on turn radius - thanks, Marshal and arild!

[arild]

Makes total sense and a great perspective on turn radius - thanks, Marshal and arild!

Cheers, I just really love that other people than Marshal and myself are into our idea lunacy!

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[kootenayskier]

Just a lurker for now, but loving the reviews, and very curious how people are finding the R120s. Has me feeling nostalgic for the years (mid 2000s) I spent on Head Super Mojos.

[Full Trucker]

Just a lurker for now, but loving the reviews, and very curious how people are finding the R120s. Has me feeling nostalgic for the years (mid 2000s) I spent on Head Super Mojos.

My R120 AMs showed up this week, waiting on bindings to arrive. I'll likely post thoughts in the dedicated thead here:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...dicated-Thread

(Though you might be more curious about reviews of the Comp build?)

[arild]

Just a lurker for now, but loving the reviews, and very curious how people are finding the R120s. Has me feeling nostalgic for the years (mid 2000s) I spent on Head Super Mojos.

There may be something in the next month or so to alleviate that kind of nostalgia.

support the raddest project going: http://heritagelabskis.com

[J. Barron DeJong]

Saving Marshall the trouble of posting this himself:

”UPDATE TIME!

CARBON AND FREERIDE SKIS

• The order has shipped. I expect it to deliver to me Thursday (the 19th) of next week.
• I aim to turn around and ship all open orders for the 132 and 113 shapes by the end of the weekend.
• Please let me know by replying to this email, if either you have a trip right around then, so I can get the order out same day, with expedited shipping... or if you are out of town, and need me to hold the order til you get home.

RACEROOM COMP BUILDS

• These should begin production next week.
• I will follow up with delivery timings as soon as I have them, currently expecting them to be shipping to everyone in ~4 weeks.

I will also be updating the specs and suggested mount lines on the site, specifically to indicate the SKI WAIST on each model and flush in a few more specifics on each shape. Please ping me any time with questions on this stuff. Love to talk it through.


Many thanks and kind regards!”

Getting antsy for my R87 Comps, event though with all of the snow this year I have no need for them.

Should have known those Italians would be a bit late.

[Marshal Olson]

Thanks Man!

[J. Barron DeJong]

Hoping the new 12X skis include something like this:



Having trouble finding my dream resort pow ski. Maybe it’s ‘cause no one else wants my dream ski? But that’s kind of the point of the project, right?

Orange please.

[Marshal Olson]

Looking alot like a fatter version of the 110mm "Mod" ski that I just ordered test of!

[J. Barron DeJong]

Looking alot like a fatter version of the 110mm "Mod" ski that I just ordered test of!

[Rob Stokes]

I mentioned in the FL113 thread about a +1cm FL113 and I just realized that that would basically be the exact same dimensions as the well loved, and discontinued, BMT 122...



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[GoSlowGoFar]

I mentioned in the FL113 thread about a +1cm FL113 and I just realized that that would basically be the exact same dimensions as the well loved, and discontinued, BMT 122...



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Not that it doesn’t deserve to be recreated but Marshal had mentioned he doesn’t foresee using his BMT122s again after skiing the C132. Not sure if that’s hyperbole or not but just throwing that out there.

[Lord Thomas]

Not that it doesn’t deserve to be recreated but Marshal had mentioned he doesn’t foresee using his BMT122s again after skiing the C132. Not sure if that’s hyperbole or not but just throwing that out there.

Yeah, but a multi-role BMT 122 that was a little longer, a little heavier and a little stiffer....is starting to make me a little stiffer.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Yeah, but a multi-role BMT 122 that was a little longer, a little heavier and a little stiffer....is starting to make me a little stiffer.

Compared to BMT 122, what I drew up is less directional, bit of camber, more aggressive tip/tail rocker, maybe slightly less effective edge. And much heavier.

Edit: meant as a reply to GSGF.

[Shorty_J]

I mentioned in the FL113 thread about a +1cm FL113 and I just realized that that would basically be the exact same dimensions as the well loved, and discontinued, BMT 122...



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I think the rocker profile might be a little different but otherwise a good comparison I didn't think of at first.

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[Rob Stokes]

Yeah, but a multi-role BMT 122 that was a little longer, a little heavier and a little stiffer....is starting to make me a little stiffer.

Exactly, a resort layup BMT 122 would be awesome!

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[sruffian]

Somewhat late reply - the bmt94 is one ski that I would definitely buy and probably buy multiple of. Full subtle rocker at 94 underfoot is incredibly versatile- ripped some big lines and skied terrible snow competently on those things. The layup is absolutely essential to why that ski worked, though. I was super stoked to see sterbenz/ wndr alpine make that shape, but they didn’t make it light…

On the 122 (which I tour on whenever there’s fresh and are starting to fall apart on me after 6 years) - isn’t the chipotle banana pretty close to an inbounds 122? Again the layup is what makes this a killer touring ski, really don’t think the qualities that make it exceptional will translate into a heavy layup. I love it cus you can noodle it OR lay down huge tracks in the alpine - not gonna work w a different flex pattern. Or if it does I’d be very interested!!

Fwiw current plan to replace the 122 is a carbon protest. Not the same big face ability but probs more fun in below treeline


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[J. Barron DeJong]

Hoping the new 12X skis include something like this:



Having trouble finding my dream resort pow ski. Maybe it’s ‘cause no one else wants my dream ski? But that’s kind of the point of the project, right?

Orange please.

A good description of where this ski I envision ended up:

- Width and rocker profile of a Rustler “12”
- Taper/shorter effective edge of a Spur
- Weight of a Spur
- Sidecut radius between a Rustler and Spur

(That’s where I seem to have ended up, even though I didn’t start with that as my intention.)

Goal is a ski with that has notably more float and is looser than an R11, with enough weight that it won’t fall apart in soft chop, and not total shit on a groomer back to the lift.

[Lord Thomas]

On the 122 (which I tour on whenever there’s fresh and are starting to fall apart on me after 6 years) - isn’t the chipotle banana pretty close to an inbounds 122? Again the layup is what makes this a killer touring ski, really don’t think the qualities that make it exceptional will translate into a heavy layup. I love it cus you can noodle it OR lay down huge tracks in the alpine - not gonna work w a different flex pattern. Or if it does I’d be very interested!!

Fwiw current plan to replace the 122 is a carbon protest. Not the same big face ability but probs more fun in below treeline


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Maybe what I've got rolling around in the back of my mind is a VW Katana that's 122 under foot. And yeah, BMT 94's are awesome. 94's are significantly stiffer than my BMT 109's and, surprise surprise, have a very similar flex and rocker as a VW Katana. I was shocked how similar they were when I put them up along side a pair of 191 VWK's. There really is some magic in that BMT-V Werks family

[MagnificentUnicorn]

A good description of where this ski I envision ended up:

- Width and rocker profile of a Rustler “12”
- Taper/shorter effective edge of a Spur
- Weight of a Spur
- Sidecut radius between a Rustler and Spur

(That’s where I seem to have ended up, even though I didn’t start with that as my intention.)

Goal is a ski with that has notably more float and is looser than an R11, with enough weight that it won’t fall apart in soft chop, and not total shit on a groomer back to the lift.

Peak 110


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[J. Barron DeJong]

Peak 110


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GTFO. No.

Edit: To actually provide a helpful response in case you are in any way serious and not just FKN with me -

Peak 100 has much longer running length and less taper than what I envision.



And it’s only a 110, not 120+

Going in the wrong direction from an R11.

[Marshal Olson]

A good description of where this ski I envision ended up:

- Width and rocker profile of a Rustler “12”
- Taper/shorter effective edge of a Spur
- Weight of a Spur
- Sidecut radius between a Rustler and Spur

(That’s where I seem to have ended up, even though I didn’t start with that as my intention.)

Goal is a ski with that has notably more float and is looser than an R11, with enough weight that it won’t fall apart in soft chop, and not total shit on a groomer back to the lift.

Good thoughts, totally get it. Wrapping my head around the desire here... how close would an MFree118 be to this ski?