"All weather" tires in place of winter tires

[PNWbrit]

Anti-lock brakes were developed for people who were unable or incapable of fast brake pumping foot actions. .

Go ahead and try to get better results than modern anti-locks.

Yep, There's a reason that antilock brakes are banned on most race cars... they're better than the race drivers are.

[nickwm21]

Guys - this is the thread for the mountain town folk to gatekeep the city folk based on tire choice…

Go talk ABS somewhere else….


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[AK47bp]

The suburban folk are confused.

Should we just use chains?

If I have a front wheel drive with Goodyear/Michelin X-ICE-5000 LTX tires and studs, do I still need to pull over, lay in the slush, and chain my wheels?

Will the cops know how awesome my tires are and not ticket me?

Probably


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[Toadman]

^^ according to a search anti lock brake systems were invented for aircraft long ago

anti lock pumps the pedal way faster than you or i could

just mash that brake pedal

A bit of sarcasm on my part. But the safety systems on cars these days is not quite there to prevent stupidity from drivers ending upside down in a ditch while driving to/from the ski hill.

[CHAIR_97]

I was taught by my Dad growing up in AK, to put the vehicle in neutral and pump the brakes when trying to brake on icy roads. Anti-lock brakes were developed for people who were unable or incapable of fast brake pumping foot actions.

It probably would have helped if my Dad hadn't been so cheap on tires and not buying winter tires. But you do learn how to drive on AS's and realize that owning a dedicated winter tire for your vehicle when you are constantly driving on icy and hard compact snow is preferable for your winter driving anxiety to have a tire that actually is designed for such conditions.

I got the pump the brakes lesson from Pop too

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[SumJongGuy]

I get over in to the crunchy stuff on the edge of the road to get traction when the place everyone else is driving becomes packed ice..

[Mustonen]

This. Go ahead and try to get better results than modern anti-locks.

Not all ABS is created equal, and I believe there is some small exception to the above for many systems when dealing with loose snow, slush, etc. at lower speeds. Not to say I think I might be able to outdrive my ABS.

[SumJongGuy]

I hate the way the pedal bounces around and wheels are locking up and unlocking when ABS takes over on skick snow and ice. I think it's more the helpless feeling of not being personally in control of the mechanics that bothers me more than whether or not I could stop the car quicker myself without the assistance.

Regardless, and on topic. Better tires for the conditions (warm and dry or cold and wet) means stopping quicker either way.

[cat in january]

I get over in to the crunchy stuff on the edge of the road to get traction when the place everyone else is driving becomes packed ice..

If you do that with any kind of speed, it’s a good way to flip your car

[uglymoney]

This thread sent me a notification when you guys were debating who the best driver on the TRG's is, or maybe the biggest dick swinging tool. Either way, here I am.

Also, some new X Ice Snows just came in the mail. Decided to go 4 seasons plus this summer on my XIce3's on the Alltrack instead if 5. The 5th year they start to flail slightly. Still tons of tread left. Should have rallied them harder this summer. Almost shameful to trash them already.



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[jmedslc]

This thread sent me a notification when you guys were debating who the best driver on the TRG's is, or maybe the biggest dick swinging tool. Either way, here I am.

Also, some new X Ice Snows just came in the mail. Decided to go 4 seasons plus this summer on my XIce3's on the Alltrack instead if 5. The 5th year they start to flail slightly. Still tons of tread left. Should have rallied them harder this summer. Almost shameful to trash them already.



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I put my used snow tires on KSL or Craigslist for 50 each and a grateful Uber driver comes to pick them up. They will sell very quickly.

[SumJongGuy]

If you do that with any kind of speed, it’s a good way to flip your car

The way I do it has kept the shiny side up and unblemished in over 40 years of driving. Albeit the last 20 years has been days instead of months of winter fun.. I'm not driving all the way on the shoulder., just two tires right at the edge of where the packed ice ends and the loose crunchy stuff begins. You can also find grip in the middle where the double yellow line would be if nobody's coming the other way,, Avoid the places/grooves where other driers have packed it down to ice when you can.

[Cocximus]

My first car was a 80s trans am in the 2000s. Absolute pos than spun out very easily. Then it was a Mk3 Supra. Summer tires cuz all my money went in to the engine. Without electronics that car was amazing at controlled drifts and recovering from slides. I learned lot from that car. Then it was Audi's with quattro and winter tires. Beside AWD, stability control is an incredible feature. It applies brakes to individual wheels, something you can't no matter how good of a driver you are. Unfortunately(?) the way it works also slows the car down. ABS? Threshold breaking is more effective than ABS, which is why many race cars don't have ABS. Also, in deep snow, locking the wheels stops faster. That's all good in theory but in reality electronics are good when I'm not on top of my game with a coffee in hand, shifting gears, and checking TGR

5spd is not acceptable. The ratios are too wide. 6spd or take the bus.

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[J. Barron DeJong]

My first car was a 80s trans am in the 2000s. Absolute pos than spun out very easily. Then it was a Mk3 Supra. Summer tires cuz all my money went in to the engine. Without electronics that car was amazing at controlled drifts and recovering from slides. I learned lot from that car. Then it was Audi's with quattro and winter tires. Beside AWD, stability control is an incredible feature. It applies brakes to individual wheels, something you can't no matter how good of a driver you are. Unfortunately(?) the way it works also slows the car down. ABS? Threshold breaking is more effective than ABS, which is why many race cars don't have ABS. Also, in deep snow, locking the wheels stops faster. That's all good in theory but in reality electronics are good when I'm not on top of my game with a coffee in hand, shifting gears, and checking TGR

5spd is not acceptable. The ratios are too wide. 6spd or take the bus.

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As someone who worked in motorsports, I guarantee you that with today’s ABS every race driver/engineer that wants to win will be putting ABS on the car if the series regulations allow it.

[Cocximus]

As someone who worked in motorsports, I guarantee you that with today’s ABS every race driver/engineer that wants to win will be putting ABS on the car if the series regulations allow it.

I'm sure you are right. It's been a while. Is it only for paved or it includes loose and snow racing?

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[XXX-er]

did some buddy just say they could out brake anti-lock brakes ?

[PNWbrit]

did some buddy just say they could out brake anti-lock brakes ?

Yep. We're also getting snow driving tips from North Carolina.

[2FUNKY]

Damn this thread brings the lolz!


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[J. Barron DeJong]

I'm sure you are right. It's been a while. Is it only for paved or it includes loose and snow racing?

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Early 2000’s World Rally cars were using ABS - and I’d be shocked if they weren’t using it in the snow too, but can’t say for certain. I don’t follow it much, but i believe the new rules in 2011 banned ABS.

That’s pretty big budget racing ($100M+/year for a factory team, according to a co-worker who had been Colin McRae and Richard Burns crew chief at Subaru/Prodrive) with pretty outstanding drivers, and they were seeing ABS as a benefit, and that was 20 years ago - technology must have improved since then.

[SumJongGuy]

Yep. We're also getting snow driving tips from North Carolina.

I got past this one in NC. But seriously, I've had a couple white knuckle blizzard runs in the mountains here just as bad as anywhere. Just not nearly as often as other places I've lived.



OK so PA but still funny! I wonder if that was around the time of the 2008 EpicSki Blue Knob gathering?? It did snow that weekend..

[XXX-er]

so don't you get good at something by getting alot of experiance which comes from actulay doing it alot ?

we are driving on snow & ice 5 months of the year

everbuddy buys the gear & does it

[jmedslc]

Damn this thread brings the lolz!


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I know, I am loving this thread lately. It’s got all sorts of goodies.

[2FUNKY]

The picture of that wiener Mobile is down the bottom of Lookout Pass on the Montana side. I just happen to be traveling back to Montana that day and was probably five or 10 minutes behind that crash.


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[Toadman]

If you brake going into a slide, when you should have turned your wheels into the slide, you're going to have a bad time.

[Hood26]

Hey all! The engines are fired for the_govy500 on Instagram. Ya’ll should really follow them for all kinds of winter fun and shenanigans. the_govy500 highlights all the best of the drive on Oregon Hwy 26 up Mt. Hood.

Who knows maybe the Wiener Mobile will join the race this year.

I am not the_govy500 nor do I gain anything from promoting it. I just know you will all get a winter full of laughs.