ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Doremite]

What’s the consensus on the OG Billy Goat? My dad hasn’t skied his in years and probably won’t again. 118mm waist slows his turns down too much I guess. I’m thinking of throwing a cheap pair of bindings on them for kicks or putting some feelers out there if anyone wants a collection piece

Mount ‘em up. I still enjoy mine on the rare occasion I get them out. Tight balance point likely due to the extremity of the pin tail but quick, slashy and stable at speed. Likely pale in comparison to modern day Goats but still a great ski imho.

Wren 102s arrived today. Stoked!

[uglymoney]

The OG Billy Goats are super fun on powder days. They are super twitchy on hard pack, especially flat cat walks back to the lift. The pigtail can get hooked up on crud under pow and that was sketchy for me at least. Runout into the trees whoops.

As long as the snow is soft, they are dynamic, can absolutely haul ass if you ski them center, or you can power the tips and slash and burn.

I still have mine unmounted in the basement. I had some of the best lines of my life on them when I was still really strong and in my prime so tough to part with those memories...but my 16/17's are just as good in the pow and totally predictable and carveable on groomers so you don't have to be like screw this and go trade out skis at noon.

Both versions absolutely devour chop.

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[kid-kapow]

Wren 102s arrived today. Stoked!

Holy jeebus. Praaaise!

[WILLSKIFAST]

...They are super twitchy on hard pack, especially flat cat walks back to the lift....

In the 3 days I had (60"+ in 72 hours) on my new BG118's (2022's) last season, I had this same experience. Scared the bejeesus out of me since I'm used to my fat skis being suuuuper casual, buttery, and dare I say wet-noodley (2010 S7's). Anytime I was on a cat track or groomer without chop on it, I was borderline scared to turn lol.

[sf]

In the 3 days I had (60"+ in 72 hours) on my new BG118's (2022's) last season, I had this same experience. Scared the bejeesus out of me since I'm used to my fat skis being suuuuper casual, buttery, and dare I say wet-noodley (2010 S7's). Anytime I was on a cat track or groomer without chop on it, I was borderline scared to turn lol.

Check the base bevel…

[benk]

Agreed, I had only skied the 09/10 BG a few times but remember catching a few edges on hardpack in the middle of some otherwise fun skiing. I’ll probably keep them hung up for now

[WILLSKIFAST]

Check the base bevel…

plz forgive my ignorance...how do I do that?

[Bandit Man]

Agreed, I had only skied the 09/10 BG a few times but remember catching a few edges on hardpack in the middle of some otherwise fun skiing. I’ll probably keep them hung up for now

The OG Goats are one of the WORST skis I have ever skied. Total garbage. The fact that I am such a BG fan after that first iteration is a testament to how much better the ski became with RES, less camber, etc.

Keep them as wall art.

[Norseman]

The OG Goats are one of the WORST skis I have ever skied. Total garbage. The fact that I am such a BG fan after that first iteration is a testament to how much better the ski became with RES, less camber, etc.

agreed.

[snowaddict91]

Holy jeebus. Praaaise!

Right. Those things are gorgeous!

[XavierD]

08 Billy Goats (4 pairs only) worked great for those four skiers
09/10 Billy Goats didn’t work - but I have skied worse
10/11 were fine (less camber and some sidecut adjustments IIRC(
11/12 had a early RES in 191 only
12/13 had better RES throughout and really defined the brand

[sf]

plz forgive my ignorance...how do I do that?

You need a truebar and google. Or just have them tuned. I think it’s pretty certain that’s the problem.

QC on tuning seem to have been pretty bad the last two years, if you read through the thread you’ll find plenty of similar experiences to yours.

My last two pairs have been without base bevels

[kid-kapow]

Melee mentioned something interesting in the Moment thread:

They used to be 1/1...

Skis now come with a 1 degree side bevel and a 1.5 degree base bevel.

Additionally, for 22/23 we have a new de-tuning procedure for the tips and tails. We are still det-uning the same area but have a new machine that does the job better, faster and is more repeatable so we can ensure we are getting a solid de-tune every single time.

It's actually always been close to 1/1.5 but now we run the skis through the base edge process multiple times to ensure we are achieving a 1.5 degree base bevel every single time.

This process change was modified sometime last winter.

The machine has always been setup for a 1.5 degree base bevel although it typically yielded a result closer to 1.1 - 1.2.

We find people complain that wide skis are hooky if we dont go 1.3+

All skis under 108 underfoot get 1/1.1 - 1.2

So I speculate that the culprit here is the new Reichmann tuning machine that has been introduced the last couple of years not yielding as precise detunes (due to production tolerances) as the previous by hand process. Perhaps Melee's approach ia applicable to the wider ON3Ps as well?

[tuco]

I'll just say that detuning and setting proper base bevels are 2 different procedures. Simply detuning my affected skis would produce a result of 0

[Stuntmonkey]

I snagged these custom Jeff 110s from optics on here. Super excited to try these out. Not sure where they will fit in my quiver. Looking at new boots so just holding off mounting the bindings as my BSL might change between my Dalbellos and the K2s I want, and I’ll probably put pivots on here. Maybe.

[Sessiøn]

Melee mentioned something interesting in the Moment thread:





So I speculate that the culprit here is the new Reichmann tuning machine that has been introduced the last couple of years not yielding as precise detunes (due to production tolerances) as the previous by hand process. Perhaps Melee's approach ia applicable to the wider ON3Ps as well?

My information on this is that they seem to have found the culprit in the process that was causing the issue, and why it was not a consistent issue.

[CallMeAl]

My information on this is that they seem to have found the culprit in the process that was causing the issue, and why it was not a consistent issue.

Samesies. Iggy's got it figured now.

However, I do agree with Melee on the merit of a 1.5 base bevel on wider skis. Always done it on my goats for increased loosey goosiness. First started doing it on the Bodacious per the rec of a Bliz team guy, made even more of a difference there.

[optics]

My last two pairs have been without base bevels

wow...

[EWG]

I snagged these custom Jeff 110s from optics on here. Super excited to try these out. Not sure where they will fit in my quiver. Looking at new boots so just holding off mounting the bindings as my BSL might change between my Dalbellos and the K2s I want, and I’ll probably put pivots on here. Maybe.

Congrats on picking those up. I love those topsheets, but since I have Jeff 108s I couldn't justify essentially the same ski...

But they are so damn sweet.

[lrn2swim]

Wowsers

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[phatty]

Wowsers

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So hawt!

[theetruscan]

My last two pairs have been without base bevels

Have a pair of BG118s that need to get mounted for this season. Ended up ordering and not skiing last year (don't have kids). Sounds like I should just get them tuned when I mount them. Yes, I know, mount your own damn skis, but ... man, I have tried that, and a random kid in a shop with a jig is 10x better at it than me.

[sf]

Have a pair of BG118s that need to get mounted for this season. Ended up ordering and not skiing last year (don't have kids). Sounds like I should just get them tuned when I mount them. Yes, I know, mount your own damn skis, but ... man, I have tried that, and a random kid in a shop with a jig is 10x better at it than me.

Just have them check the tune. It might be fine

[RudyGarmisch]

Just have them check the tune. It might be fine

I would ski them first before chasing red herrings.

[Yukonrider]

Pair of Woodsman 108s in the classifieds that got my attention. Looking for a new cleaup ski (day after a storm) so bumps, groomers, and terrain openings are all possible, I have a 116, and a 98 for pow and low tide.

Whats the woodsman like?