If only there was something we could do...

[ex-powderbroker]

5. We’ve always had guns too

People are going crazy. Living in an alternate reality with media. Shit were both doing it in here. It ain’t healthy.


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the guns aren’t like my car that won’t go forever without servicing. they’re pretty much good to go. they can also easily be passed person to person, there are no records of possession. someone dies, they get lost, they’re not stored right… the gun doesn’t disappear, it’s just off the grid. so we have more and more of them because people like being pedaled lies about how safe we are with them despite all evidence to the contrary. plus any asshole
can walk into a store and get one to kill a bunch of randoms. and the same morons that insisted the problem was intractable before keep doubling down to make it worse. we already know what works because every other country and a handful
of states do things better, so why not apply it universally?

muh rights? lies? cause they’re fun? flagrant stupidity is dangerous.

[leroy jenkins]

I was shopping for guns 2 years ago. There were practically none to be found.. Pawn shops, Bass Pro, even dedicated gun shops had big empty spots on shelves. Choices and options were QUITE limited then. Ammo was even harder to get. Look back at the Guns thread discussions, not just here. Supply shortages and demand spikes do to the pandemic. Supplies are starting to catch up so they absolutely have gotten more available now you disingenuous troll.

Ok, but guns were hard to find during those periods because they were selling at record numbers, and there were still relatively few mass shootings. They were statistical anomalies, horrifying but rarer than lightning strikes or most any other danger one could face from the natural world. That has changed massively in the last year. They weren't common at any point before that despite the popularity of guns and semi autos especially rising over the past couple decades.

RE the above graph, its risen roughly in line with population. Just googled US population in 1899. 70million. Roughly 60mil guns and legal unregulated military surplus machine guns short shotguns and rifles etc, the ownership of which would only rise after each world war. Now theres 300mil+ guns and 330mil people.

[leroy jenkins]

Every Monday morning in St Louis the shooting report Over the weekend usually adds up to a mass amount if not multiple homocides in 2-3 locations. That’s where guns do daily damage, but no one wants to solve for that. Down there, it’s quite simple, poverty, they can’t afford PlayStations. It’s cheap, shitty guns floating around.

I’ve told this story before. Walked into a gun shop last yr, a crack head followed me in, when the salesman asked what we needed, the crackhead pulled a gun out and said “I need bullets for this”

It was a classic, only I’m America, horror scene


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I think focusing on helping such areas should be more palatable to the right wing than giving up their own rights, but its hard when both sides view everything as a slippery slope to something else. I agree, even if its not so simple as not being able to afford playstations disenfranchisement and no reason to live are affects of poverty as well.

From a utilitarian perspective it seems like it'd help the country to not have huge economic disparity and a higher population of its people in prison than any other developed nation, the combination of the two being especially insidious when the population in prison is the poor, and also descendants of former slaves.

Yet most of the mass shooters at schools are white. And despite the horrific nature of their crimes, they were a statistic anomaly up until basically the last year. Some of thats lockdowns etc but I think theres more at play. I think a lot of black people got mad because they felt like the system didn't care about them and that was exposed more clearly during the pandemic, angry alienated mentally ill whites could feel the same way but not have means to protest and no community identity to latch onto to protest about, which is part of their problem.

[frorider]

[::: :::]

“If people are the problem, why would you let them have guns?”

[bennymac]

5. We’ve always had guns too

People are going crazy. Living in an alternate reality with media. Shit were both doing it in here. It ain’t healthy.


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So are you admitting your first 4 points were worthless? Because they were

[bennymac]

Monday: mass shooting
Tuesday: mass shooting
Wednesday: mass shooting
Thursday: mass shooting
Friday: mass shooting
Saturday: mass shooting
Sunday: Republicans “oh we gotta do something about these drag shows!! They’re gonna have an effect on our kids!”

[sb]

Make murder illegal.

Oar punish everyone who has not committed a crime.

So easy to do the wrong thing.

Stop being manipulated

[Flounder]

Guns haven't gotten more available?

Quit lying. Gun production tripled in the past 20 years

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/19/polit...ion/index.html

[ex-powderbroker]

Make murder illegal.

Oar punish everyone who has not committed a crime.

So easy to do the wrong thing.

Stop being manipulated

i canoe you’d stop by. weren’t the parents of those ten year olds the ones that were punished for our dumb laws? why should an 18 year old kid be able to buy a firearm when they can’t even drink? how are waiting periods and background checks punishing when it doesn’t impede your ability to play with the toys you have right now?

this is why we can’t have nice things.

[dunfree]

Make murder illegal.

Oar punish everyone who has not committed a crime.

So easy to do the wrong thing.

Stop being manipulated

I hope you got the help you needed scottyb, you little dicked loser that needed to mtb with a pistol in the wilds of white trash west virginny.

[TNKen]

i canoe you’d stop by. weren’t the parents of those ten year olds the ones that were punished for our dumb laws? why should an 18 year old kid be able to buy a firearm when they can’t even drink? how are waiting periods and background checks punishing when it doesn’t impede your ability to play with the toys you have right now?

this is why we can’t have nice things.

Why do our soldiers have to go to war when they can't drink?

I like toys.

[ex-powderbroker]

Why do our soldiers have to go to war when they can't drink?

I like toys.

Great question, Ken.

We have a volunteer army, so although we register for selective service the draft has not been implemented in decades. So there really is no "has to" and we are also not in a war. But it's also pretty evident with what is going on on our own soil, that changes are necessary to guarantee the safety and right to pursue happiness domestically, and young people with unfettered access to firearms impedes that.

Lastly, although people think guns are toys, they're tools that are used to kill people and animals quickly and efficiently and since we know longer live in a vast wilderness under threat by a foreign power or having to maintain power by evil means over an enslaved group, we should catch the laws up to reality.

I would like to apologize for the rules of time, shit goes one way and things change and it us up to us yo use our brains to adapt to new facts and realities and make the best of it.

Good chat.

[dunfree]

Why do our soldiers have to go to war when they can't drink?

I like toys.

so it’s another baby yoda gun bitch from Tennessee

[schuss]

Why do our soldiers have to go to war when they can't drink?

I like toys.

If you think guns are toys, you're doing it wrong.

[Buster Highmen]

If you think guns are toys, you're doing it wrong.

It's the only honest explanation for the second amendment misconstruction.

[m2711c]

all it take is a good guy with a gun…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...woman-orlando/

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Why do our soldiers have to go to war when they can't drink?

Why would you send drunks to war on your behalf?



Old enough to vote; old enough to serve

firearm training & use in the military is highly supervised & regulated
it is alarmingly less so in civilian life

[paulster2626]

Should have to be 25 to own a gun. Any gun. At age 18 you can start taking gun courses at a range or whatever. Drinking age should be 19, juuuuust when you're old enough to start going to college.

That's my liberal utopia.

[::: :::]

Should have to be 25 to own a gun. Any gun.

Actuaries would presumedly support this based on the evidence of how they price insurance for drivers below this age. Under 25 peeps, esp boys, apparently make poor/rash decisions more often that result in “accidents”

[SumJongGuy]

It's no secret that the religious right and random racists are hiding behind the 2nd A "Stopping/Preventing Tyranny" angle. Here's the thing though.. 70%+ of 'Murika protecting the civil rights of marginalized groups from religious bigotry or outright personal bigotry isn't "tyranny".. Tyranny is a dictator or small group (like say 30%) going against the wishes and inalienable rights of the vast majority of the nation. So, the MAGA crowd arming themselves under the 2nd A pretenses is complete bullshit. They're arming themselves for the long game of ruling over the majority as a heavily armed minority.. AKA tyranny..

[skaredshtles]

It's no secret that the religious right and random racists are hiding behind the 2nd A "Stopping/Preventing Tyranny" angle. Here's the thing though.. 70%+ of 'Murika protecting the civil rights of marginalized groups from religious bigotry or outright personal bigotry isn't "tyranny".. Tyranny is a dictator or small group (like say 30%) going against the wishes and inalienable rights of the vast majority of the nation. So, the MAGA crowd arming themselves under the 2nd A pretenses is complete bullshit. They're arming themselves for the long game of ruling over the majority as a heavily armed minority.. AKA tyranny..

It's *always* projection with those groups. ALWAYS.

[ex-powderbroker]

heritage lady just testified and said absolutely nothing except "we have feelings too and are not obstructionists... but the constitution"

[schuss]

It's *always* projection with those groups. ALWAYS.

100%

Also notice the amount of times the false narratives and stats are shut down with actual facts here and the gun folks just go quiet for a page or two rather than owning their fail? Then try to throw a new one in? This is not the sign of reasonable or competent arguments for current state.

[frorider]

100%

Also notice the amount of times the false narratives and stats are shut down with actual facts here and the gun folks just go quiet for a page or two rather than owning their fail? Then try to throw a new one in? This is not the sign of reasonable or competent arguments for current state.

Cognitive dissonance is a great coping mechanism when one senses that something important to you is inevitably going to change.