If only there was something we could do...

[riser4]

It's no secret that the religious right and random racists are hiding behind the 2nd A "Stopping/Preventing Tyranny" angle. Here's the thing though.. 70%+ of 'Murika protecting the civil rights of marginalized groups from religious bigotry or outright personal bigotry isn't "tyranny".. Tyranny is a dictator or small group (like say 30%) going against the wishes and inalienable rights of the vast majority of the nation. So, the MAGA crowd arming themselves under the 2nd A pretenses is complete bullshit. They're arming themselves for the long game of ruling over the majority as a heavily armed minority.. AKA tyranny..

Pretty much mostly this.

[riser4]

I read an article today that as of 2020 there are an estimated 20 million Ar-15s privately owned. That averages around $20 Billion USD, give or take. So a bunch of people got rich off creating a shadow army, both of which were intentional.

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It's no secret that the religious right and random racists are hiding behind the 2nd A "Stopping/Preventing Tyranny" angle. Here's the thing though.. 70%+ of 'Murika protecting the civil rights of marginalized groups from religious bigotry or outright personal bigotry isn't "tyranny".. Tyranny is a dictator or small group (like say 30%) going against the wishes and inalienable rights of the vast majority of the nation. So, the MAGA crowd arming themselves under the 2nd A pretenses is complete bullshit. They're arming themselves for the long game of ruling over the majority as a heavily armed minority.. AKA tyranny..

i would guess that if you were able to blind poll the rabid 2A/tyranny people in a non-threatening environment & gave them a list of 20 things to order into their top priorities in life & throw in things like family, community, personal health, positive business environment, clean water, quality housing, healthy food, church, children, safe public spaces, etc, that the 2A/tyranny wouldn't be in the top five.
Extend that the larger community of gun owners, and its position would fall further.

The fervor in many ways seems like a direct push/pull reaction to any change to the lifestyle identity marker

[k2skier112]

Make murder illegal.

Oar punish everyone who has not committed a crime.

So easy to do the wrong thing.

Stop being manipulated

hey dip wad @3:00

[Buzzworthy]

The answer is so plain and obvious to most everyone outside and inside of the US, minus the US politicians that need their bank accounts padded by gun nuts -fix the gun problem and the mass shooting problem goes away.

FIFY

[TNKen]

Should have to be 25 to own a gun. Any gun. At age 18 you can start taking gun courses at a range or whatever. Drinking age should be 19, juuuuust when you're old enough to start going to college.

That's my liberal utopia.

Let's take away driving privileges until 25 as well.

[Stuntmonkey]

Let's take away driving privileges until 25 as well.

In a country that's built around cars, that's a pretty fucking dumb idea.

[TNKen]

In a country that's built around cars, that's a pretty fucking dumb idea.

But think of the lives we could save.

[skaredshtles]

Let's take away driving privileges until 25 as well.

Sounds like a good idea... would really help out the public transit sector.

[TahoeJ]

But think of the lives we could save.

You aren't really this dumb are you?

[Dantheman]

You aren't really this dumb are you?

Hey man, cars don't kill people, people kill people.

The hilarious thing about Ken's analogy is that traffic injuries and fatalities are directly proportional to miles driven, which would seem to support the notion that fewer guns would lead to fewer gun deaths.

[SumJongGuy]

Let's rank personal firearms and other items by net social utility value..
Cars
Knives
Bats
Skis
bicycles
Skateboards
Musical instruments
Irons
About a gazillion other things that make our everyday lives more productive and rewarding






guns.

That's why it's a complete dumbass move to say if we get rid of (or more greatly regulate/restrict) guns why not also get rid of .... weak ass example of one of those super valuable things.


Again, this is why the policymakers who are on the NRA payrool absolutely don't want to debate this issue. There is no rational basis for not further regulating highly lethal weapons, NONE. They know they can't win a two sided debate.

[huckbucket]

[Not DJSapp]

Let's take away driving privileges until 25 as well.

Oh I know! Let's make gun ownership require a license. Said person would need a license to purchase and operate a firearm, complete with state registration of said firearm, alongside training, testing, and evaluation of the person applying for said license. And some states would need regular inspections of all registered firearms for their registration to remain current and valid, along with additional insurance to cover any harm to the public from accidents from operating their firearm no matter how responsible they are with their firearm.

And then let's have the police make it their #1 priority of all their manpower to insure the population is storing and operating their licensed and registered firearms in accordance with the law.

[schuss]

Oh I know! Let's make gun ownership require a license. Said person would need a license to purchase and operate a firearm, complete with state registration of said firearm, alongside training, testing, and evaluation of the person applying for said license. And some states would need regular inspections of all registered firearms for their registration to remain current and valid, along with additional insurance to cover any harm to the public from accidents from operating their firearm no matter how responsible they are with their firearm.

And then let's have the police make it their #1 priority of all their manpower to insure the population is storing and operating their licensed and registered firearms in accordance with the law.

It's truly stupendous how every one of kens posts kicks it straight into his own net. You're so close on general awareness of the good thinga (or you're aware and just forcibly not connecting the dots)

[ex-powderbroker]

It's truly stupendous how every one of kens posts kicks it straight into his own net. You're so close on general awareness of the good thinga (or you're aware and just forcibly not connecting the dots)

I just don't get why the supposed 'pro gun' people NEVER respond to facts and then just walk back in with whatever talking point is carrying the day (hardening schools, good guy with a gun, chicago, etc)

It's so frustrating to talk past people that you thought wanted to have some semblance of a conversation, but I guess there's just no middle ground. For instance - if I want changes due to the mass shooting it is "politicization" and not policy. WTF

[powdrhound]

I was told by a former coworker that if I cared as much as him, that I would match his donation to some Uvalde memorial fund.

His solution is to donate to funerals.

[AK47bp]

Let's take away driving privileges until 25 as well.

I agree with this one.

Gun ownership should be a privilege and treated the same as a drivers license.

Are we making progress here???



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[leroy jenkins]

You're already not allowed to use any rounds to hunt people.

[leroy jenkins]

Let's take away driving privileges until 25 as well.

We should probably; just publicly shame all those under 25 for being young. I'm sure that will reduce their alienation etc.

[leroy jenkins]

I just don't get why the supposed 'pro gun' people NEVER respond to facts and then just walk back in with whatever talking point is carrying the day (hardening schools, good guy with a gun, chicago, etc)

It's so frustrating to talk past people that you thought wanted to have some semblance of a conversation, but I guess there's just no middle ground. For instance - if I want changes due to the mass shooting it is "politicization" and not policy. WTF

I'm all for sollutions that don't involve a national registry de facto or otherwise.

[SumJongGuy]

I'm all for sollutions that don't involve a national registry de facto or otherwise.

That's the complete opposite of "well regulated".

[CarlMega]

You're already not allowed to use any rounds to hunt people.

This sounded good in your head, eh?

[anotherVTskibum]

I agree with this one.

Gun ownership should be a privilege and treated the same as a drivers license.

Are we making progress here???



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I have a tough time disagreeing in principle, but even broaching that idea (repealing the second amendment) on the national scene is going to drive a bigger wedge and would probably stir serious talk of secession from red states and drive some of those who are willing to support more regulation to the camp of those who support none.

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[anotherVTskibum]

I agree with this one.

Gun ownership should be a privilege and treated the same as a drivers license.

Are we making progress here???



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Also, if I'm licensed to drive anywhere in the US, I can drive my car or motorcycle anywhere in the country. That's not the case with current gun laws--being licensed to carry concealed in one state doesn't carry over in many other states.

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