Ukraine

[TBS]

Slow bleed still works in RU’s favor for eventual takeover

Watching it happen is awful

Agree on second part - not so sure about the first

RU may invade, but I doubt they can hold/run the country for any length of time.
Asymmetric warfare is a bitch for occupying armies (Iraq anyone?). Especially when you are trying to hold the place with unmotivated conscripts, and NATO is backing the opposition

[leroy jenkins]

Agree on second part - not so sure about the first

RU may invade, but I doubt they can hold/run the country for any length of time.
Asymmetric warfare is a bitch for occupying armies (Iraq anyone?). Especially when you are trying to hold the place with unmotivated conscripts, and NATO is backing the opposition

And most importantly, when the general population wants you out. Fighting a few fringe terrorists is one thing, but when its an entire population you're fucked, no matter what army you are. Very very few exceptions throughout history, mostly islands.

[MontuckyFried]

But what is absolutely HILARIOUS about you posting this is that we all know that if he did that, you would be screaming and howling about how Biden created $8.00 a gallon gas, and that he is incompetent.

Absolutely I'd be ok with $8 gas and even higher if it means shutting down Russia's nonsense. Again, this is war. If that's what it takes for Americans to our part to help, then I'm all for it. That said, $8 gas would be an absolute boon for the domestic E&P industry if only the Biden admin allows for it. Now if we see $8 gas and Bidens sucking OPEC cok to supply us, then no. That's not cool. We have plenty here to go around. It's bullshit we import at all, let alone from Russia of all countries. Big WTF there. I don't see it hitting that high though even with Russia out of the picture but I could be wrong and I'd still be ok with it. Screw Putin!

You're cutting back your consumption? Not a gotcha callout. But seriously, cut your consumption. Even the black market price (if we ever get to that point) is going to be driven by the global prices. Strangle the producers.

ETA: and while we're writing our representatives, tell them to raise the gas tax and adjust other taxes as needed. Anyone who votes to subsidize demand for Russia's only meaningful exports right now needs to retire yesterday.

I can't cut back much more than I already have but I guess I could try. Wife and I already only has one vehicle for the both of us, so we have to plan accordingly and be VERY efficient with our time out. Hardly use any gas at home either. Also staunchly anti-truck/suv for 99% of use cases. We live extremely efficiently and eco-friendly in our personal lives.

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[MontuckyFried]

Came here to say the same thing. It’s great to hear that MF and his Texas buddies are ok with $5 per gallon prices. The lifted truck brapp brapp crowd loves to make fun of my prius. But they’re funding this conflict (and Iraq).

Not sure if you're lumping me in with the brodozer crowd but that's not me. Believe it or not, I've even transitioned to renewables and green energy production as have many of my former O&G colleagues. TX is the nations leader in wind production. I've been involved with energy storage lately too. LOTS going on here on that front which I won't get much more into, but believe me, it's exciting what's going on.

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[ex-powderbroker]

something else i was thinking about is that it is so hard to catch one guy. look how long it took to get bin laden and some of the ISIS guys. ukraine is hardly afghanistan + where in the world is carmen san diego but Russia won’t tolerate a prolonged bloody occupation at home. the war is not popular and the myth of russian might will pop once it’s full of bodies.

I know we are only a few days in but if they can win the information war and keep Z talking to governments for a month or two, it will be untenable for to keep troops there) I hope.

not that i envy Z or the populace there or want any bloodshed at all. i just hope they can break this convoy and prevent grozny.

great time for georgia to clear their borders and chechens to step up, russia can’t fight on every front.

fuck putin, russian troops go home.

[Cono Este]

The difference this time is the pressure being put on the Russian economy, through technology we have squeezed him like nothing before seen in history. I hope it’s effective.

He’s going to be calling up reservists if he hasn’t already.

I think our admin is clamming up now about troop movements etc as to not create a panic. I feel like Biden really threw everything he had at this to prevent it. It was unprecedented, which shows you how sad it is because now we are in a process of escalation like we’ve never seen in our lifetime.

Sorry for doom and gloom.


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[skifishbum]

I wanted to wake up to hear that there was peace in Ukraine, that Putin had "retired to his Dacha," and Russia wanted to partner with the West instead of being adversaries.

funny thing is in the employment of the uncle you measure your time by .... and a wakeup

"Wake Me Up"

I've got this phosphorescent portrait of gentle Jesus meek and mild
I've got this harlot that I'm stuck with carrying another man's child
The solitary star announcing vacancy burnt out as we arrived
They'd throw us back across the border if they knew that we survived
And they were surprised to see us
So they greeted us with palms
They asked for ammunition, acts of contrition and small alms

Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up
With a slap or a kiss
Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up
There must be something better than this

I've got this imaginary radio, and I'm punching up the dial
I've got the A.C. trained on the T.V. so it won't blow up in my eye
And everything that I thought fanciful or mocked as too extreme
Must be family entertainment here in the strange land of my dreams
And I'm practising my likeness of St. Francis of Assisi
And if I hold my hand outstretched
A little bird comes to me

And I might recite a small prayer
If I ever said them
I lay down on an iron frame
And found myself in Bedlam
Stepping on the fingers that were stretching through the bars
Wailing echoes down the corridors

Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up
With a slap or a kiss
Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up
There must be something better than this

They've got this scared and decorated girl strapped to the steel trunk of a Mustang
They drove her down a cypress grove where traitors hang and stars still spangle
They dangled flags and other rags along a coloured thread of twine
They dragged that bruised and purple heart along the road to Palestine

Someone went off muttering, he mentioned thirty pieces
Easter saw a slaughtering, each wrapped in bloodstained fleeces

My thoughts returned to vengeance but I put up no resistance
Though I seemed a long way from my home
It really was no distance

Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up
With a slap or a kiss
Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up
There must be something better than this

And the player piano picks out "Life Goes On"
The Ringtone rang out "Jerusalem"
Into the pit of sadness
Where the wretched plunge
We've buried all the Innocents
We must bury revenge

Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up
There must be something better than this
There must be something better than this
There must be something better than this

In the name of the Father and the Son
In the name of Gasoline and a Gun
Wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up, wake me up

in the name of gasolines and the guns indeed

[summit]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...al-2022-03-01/

Russian advance stalled, regrouping, facing low morale and poor logistics.
Russia calls on Kyiv citizens to flee their homes

He’s going to be calling up reservists if he hasn’t already.

If he thinks he has morale and economic problems now...

[MontuckyFried]

I feel like Biden really threw everything he had at this to prevent it.

Has he, though? Has he? As long as we're STILL giving the Russians untold millions of $$$ every day via petroleum imports, then I'm not buying it that we've done all we can. It's insane we haven't 100% halted ALL Russian imports already.

Another WTF with Europes pussy footing around is how there have been some convenient little carveouts from the sanctions so Italy can keep exporting Gucci and other luxury good, and Belgium can keep selling diamonds to Russia. Gotta keep them oligicarchs' super model wives happy you know!


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[SumJongGuy]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...al-2022-03-01/

Russian advance stalled, regrouping, facing low morale and poor logistics.
Russia calls on Kyiv citizens to flee their homes



If he thinks he has morale and economic problems now...

If the Ukes can keep the Ruskies stymied there for another couple weeks the territory behind them will thaw and be muddy swamp land they can't drive their vehicles through to retreat or more support to them from Russia. They'll be trapped there. Fish in a barrel!

[summit]

When they start mass murdering cities, we cut oil and all trade.

We have to have somewhere to go on sanctions when Russia escalates the situation. Otherwise your only option in to intervene militarily... or do nothing.

[eleeskiing]

Not sure if you're lumping me in with the brodozer crowd but that's not me. Believe it or not, I've even transitioned to renewables and green energy production as have many of my former O&G colleagues. TX is the nations leader in wind production. I've been involved with energy storage lately too. LOTS going on here on that front which I won't get much more into, but believe me, it's exciting what's going on.

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Yup, TX is absolutely first class. They’re definitely not pushing for O&G subsidies. And your energy grid is top notch, just look at last winter.

Its good on you for lowering your footprint. And I definitely didn’t realize the investment in wind production. But its a bit of a stretch not to pretend that TX govt and corporations aren’t heavily connected to Saudi, RU.

And a huge stretch to pretend that there wouldn’t be massive political upheaval in TX if gas hit $5 per gallon let alone $8 per gallon. Many of your neighbors suck Putin dick. But they don’t suck Benny dick because its too big, even for Texas.

[rideit]

My suggestion of the day:
With all of the Seized assets around the world, a fund needs to be created ASAP in order to rebuild Ukraine to not just where it was before, but better. Especially assets taken from Russian oligarchs and businesses that have previously profited in Ukraine, but haven’t protested.
Make it hurt in the most symbolic way possible.

[Falcon3]

It just occurred to me that in the coming years, Russians traveling abroad will have to say they’re Ukrainian, just like traveling Americans had to say they were Canadian after the Iraq invasion.

[CarlMega]

But they don’t suck Benny dick because its too big, even for Texas.

That's funny.

[rideit]

Now the Putin Parasites are getting squeezed.

https://www.politico.eu/article/gerh...a-ukraine-war/

[rideit]

Sanctions as of noon today (with more on the way)

SWIFT move
Nord Stream 2
OFAC sanctions
Russia’s tech supply stopped
UK financial restrictions
Airspace bans
Russia’s Central Bank freeze
EU sanctions and froze personal assets of Vladimir Putin, Sergei Lavrov
Canadas sanctions
UK sanctions
Japans sanctions
New Zealands sanctions
Australia sanctions
Taiwan sanctions
Turkey sanctions
Poland sanctions
South Korea sanctions
Czech sanctions
Maritime sanctions
International trade shipping commerce sanctions
Russian banks cut off from US Dollar
Champions League, Formula 1,Olympics, Rugby, skating, hockey
Visa
Mastercard
Coca-cola
Vodka import/exports
Harley davidson
Volvo
Renault
Shell
BP
Exxon
Gazprom
KPMG LLP
Carlsburg breweries
Danone
General motors
Daimler
Allen & Overy and Clifford Chance lawfirms
Linklaters
McKinsey & Co.’s global
Baker McKenzie
Norway’s sovereign wealth fund
TotalEnergies SE
Equinor ASA
Google pay
Apple pay
Sony
Disney
Anonymous attacks

[SumJongGuy]

^^^^
FIFA, Hockey, pretty much everything sports related is done with Russia and Russians. Going to be interesting to see how NHL handles things.. Maybe just no pay sent to Russia. Most of the players have spoken out against the war..

[grinch]

Idk thinking with UA cities all surrounded and UA on the defensive while the convoy of doom approaches it may be time for the west to somehow get a no fly zone happening. We've kicked the can down the road long enough. #weneedZ

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[toast2266]

I'm impressed at the breadth of the sanctions. Feels like Biden (and a few other heads of state) must have been working on those behind the scenes for quite a while.

Also helps that, for maybe the first time ever, Biden managed to win the propaganda war and queue up anti-russian / anti-invasion sentiment ahead of this thing.

[ex-powderbroker]

Xi is watching (?!):

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ukraine-update

[gretch6364]

^^^^
FIFA, Hockey, pretty much everything sports related is done with Russia and Russians. Going to be interesting to see how NHL handles things.. Maybe just no pay sent to Russia. Most of the players have spoken out against the war..

The NHL has historically acted as a refuge for Russian players wishing to escape the mother land. It is not the same as it was a long time ago with the most recent player being Geno Malkin's situation, however, I am sure most Russian NHL players have US bank accounts.

Idk thinking with UA cities all surrounded and UA on the defensive while the convoy of doom approaches it may be time for the west to somehow get a no fly zone happening. We've kicked the can down the road long enough. #weneedZ

This will certainly be the next breaking point. If the US has any involvement in enforcing a no fly zone, it will be the start of WW3.

[The AD]

We have engineering offices in both Kyiv and Moscow at my work. Just got an email today from someone in Moscow saying they won't be able to do any work until the export licenses are rewritten, since the old ones are now obsolete, but that they'd be good to go after that. I'm thinking, dude, it's going to take a little more than just getting the export control issues resolved before we can start getting Russian help again!

[cat in january]

Going full Benny, unless Nukes are in the air there’s no way we are putting a no fly zone in

[MontuckyFried]

Now the Putin Parasites are getting squeezed.

https://www.politico.eu/article/gerh...a-ukraine-war/

Well THAT certainly explains a lot about Germany's not so sekret love affair with Russian oil.

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