Ukraine

[Cono Este]

So once out of fuel where are all the anti tank weapons we should of gave them to blow the fuckers up?

It’s really hard to put more than two soldiers together when you have no air presence and Russian attack helicopters can roam at will.

Now due to the Lack of reports, I can only hope they buried their tanks, spread their javelin crews out under concealment and are now zeroing stalled Tank columns. It’s possible.

Interested to see what the Ukranian plan really was.


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[Bunion 2020]

^^^ yep, a Tank out of fuel doesn't need to have a Javelin wasted upon it. Those Molotov Cocktails work just fine.

It’s really hard to put more than two soldiers together when you have no air presence and Russian attack helicopters can roam at will.

I do believe that was what all the Stinger shoulder fired AA missiles were for.

[frorider]

How long do the Oligarchs continue to support Putin’s actions? He’s completely isolated in his madness.

Not completely, but yeah. Dunno if I mentioned it yet, but Roman Abramovich’s daughter posted some pretty strong stuff against putin’s invasion on SM. We can joke about wealthy socialites posting on tha Gram, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

Personally I don’t buy the ‘Putin is going nuts’ narratives out there. He’s a smart piece of shit, and I think it’ll be a long time before we can truly evaluate whether he miscalculated.

[ötzi]

noise

Cono suggests the Ukrainians relax and enjoy it.

[liv2ski]

I do believe that was what all the Stinger shoulder fired AA missiles were for.

I sure hope we are sending them all we have yesterday and making more as quick as possible. Take out the tanks and helicopters and that invasion is likely fucked.

[frorider]

Wind direction


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To sell the invasion and occupation to the trumptards (oops, meant to say Putin Nationalists) at home, Putin needs some sort of bullshit Liberation narrative that will sprinkle in lies about how the Ukrainian defense forces helped out, etc. A smoldering nuclear crater makes it difficult to pull that off.

[Core Shot]

The Ukraine president has talent

No wonder he was elected

[frorider]

Did this get posted yet?

Communist Party member of Russia’s State Duma, Mikhail Matveyev, broke ranks on Saturday. “I believe the war should be stopped immediately,” he tweeted in Russian. “Voting for the recognition of the [breakaway Luhansk and Donetsk republics], I voted for peace, not for war. For Russia to become a shield, so that Donbass is not bombed, not in favor of Kyiv being bombed.”

[JimmyCarter]

The Ukraine president has talent

No wonder he was elected

Amazing he can play that well without his giant brass balls getting in the way

[summit]

Ukrainian anti tank weapons explain in part why Russian ground troops are mired on the outskirts of every city struggling to capture them. Defenders in cities are forcing the Russians to siege them using antiquated tactics. Modern armies are not built for that kind of warfare.

Oh Russia knows how. PUTIN knows how. He literally made his name on it.

See Grozny 1995 vs Grozny 1999. In 95 the Red Army had the defenders outnumbered 10 to 1 and it was a year long bloody and destructive fight that caused 30k civilian casualties and crushed a city <10% the size of Kyiv.

When Russia came back for the Second Chechen War in 1999 with Putin in charge, they took Grozny in a month with 1/2 the troop strength advantage and 1/4 the civilian casualties. He then prevailed against the insurgency over the next 9 years. It gained Putin a lot of political credit at home.

But Putin cannot pull a Grozny '99. I don't think the world is going to stand for a similar performance at scale. Even 50K civilian casualties in a first world metro is not gonna be a good look, much less 500K, with the power of modern media and livestream video. He won't be able to keep it out of his population's heads.

Also, Ukraine is 40 Chechnyas.

[leroy jenkins]

Uh what? Tibet ? 1950s? So is Russia selling ak the root of e everything?.

Btw. Tibet doesn't have many resources because the Himalayas are in the Continental collision state of the Wilson cycle. You need a classic ocean continent subduction with plutons (not putins [emoji6]) beneath the mountains to create vasr resources in a young mountain range. As for example south America.


Obviously there are resources, but not in the range that make it exceptional. And most of them were not really known by the 1950s. It was just pure chinese Imperialism that conquered Tibet.

Tibet has the headwaters for the water that most of the people on earth live on. The fact this isn't taught when the taking of tibet is mentioned in history classes is flabergasting to me. It was the first of the coming resource wars. Why else do you think india abstained from voting against russia? China has them by the balls.

[Ted Striker]

The Ukraine president has talent

No wonder he was elected

This is the second time you've thrown shade at him. It'd be like me describing you as a supply chain middleman, entirely omitting the part where you went to law school.

[leroy jenkins]

You’re a donut! You god damn donut

Yea that cuts deep. I thought I was slightly more cultured, like an eclair or something. I like eclairs. I like donuts too though.

[dunfree]

Uh what? Tibet ? 1950s? So is Russia selling ak the root of e everything?.

Btw. Tibet doesn't have many resources because the Himalayas are in the Continental collision state of the Wilson cycle. You need a classic ocean continent subduction with plutons (not putins [emoji6]) beneath the mountains to create vasr resources in a young mountain range. As for example south America.


Obviously there are resources, but not in the range that make it exceptional. And most of them were not really known by the 1950s. It was just pure chinese Imperialism that conquered Tibet.

As a poor nation Tibet was also a staging area for foreigners to observe the prc; the first cia casualty was in Tibet

[summit]

The Bad Look (tm) for Putin:



Rocketing apartment buildings in Kyiv - so much liberation!

[leroy jenkins]

So once out of fuel where are all the anti tank weapons we should of gave them to blow the fuckers up?

The best thing to do with tanks that are out of fuel is capture them, especially if their crews' moral is not extremely high, say in a conflict of agression they aren't super stoked on

[glademaster]

"Rainbows of peace" as a Russian official described the missile attacks on the BBC earlier this week.

The Bad Look (tm) for Putin:



Rocketing apartment buildings in Kyiv - so much liberation!

[MultiVerse]

Oh Russia knows how. PUTIN knows how. He literally made his name on it.

See Grozny 1995 vs Grozny 1999. In 95 the Red Army had the defenders outnumbered 10 to 1 and it was a year long bloody and destructive fight that caused 30k civilian casualties and crushed a city <10% the size of Kyiv.

When Russia came back for the Second Chechen War in 1999 with Putin in charge, they took Grozny in a month with 1/2 the troop strength advantage and 1/4 the civilian casualties. He then prevailed against the insurgency over the next 9 years. It gained Putin a lot of political credit at home.

But Putin cannot pull a Grozny '99. I don't think the world is going to stand for a similar performance at scale. Even 50K civilian casualties in a first world metro is not gonna be a good look, much less 500K, with the power of modern media and livestream video. He won't be able to keep it out of his population's heads.

Also, Ukraine is 40 Chechnyas.

Yeah, based everything we've seen so far the Russians had hoped modern deep strike hybrid warfare (precision munitions, special forces, air assault, un-massed multiples lines of armor) would lead to a strategic victory in 1-4 days. So far the Ukrainians have successfully repulsed Russia's hybrid warfare efforts and are forcing a costly conventional conflict.

[summit]

Yeah, based everything we've seen so far the Russians hoped modern hybrid warfare (precision munitions, air assault, multiples lines of armor) would lead to a strategic victory in 1-4 days. So far the Ukrainians have successfully repulsed Russia's hybrid warfare and are forcing a costly conventional conflict.

I agree.

I was suggesting that in a vacuum Russia could subdue Kyiv in less than a year if they used Grozny '99 tactics, but really they can't.

[subtle plague]

Tibet has the headwaters for the water that most of the people on earth live on. The fact this isn't taught when the taking of tibet is mentioned in history classes is flabergasting to me. It was the first of the coming resource wars. Why else do you think india abstained from voting against russia? China has them by the balls.

Even in the middle east the conflict Parties took water as a secondary goal after politices. Israel cetainly didn't say no to the sources on the golan heights and actually bombed a dam in Jordan, but the dam was supposed to be built as a political measure.

The water wars "have been coming" since the late 90s. They haven't happenend yet. The Melting glaciers and the highly erratic monsoon seasons will be of much greater concern to the 2 Billion people relying on the 5 great Asian rivers than the whims of Emperor XI. Especially since China will not grow anymore or even start to Lose people because of Demographic change. So assuming they won't build palm springs like Golf courses in the takla makan, they won't need more water. Especially since water use will become more efficient in a country transitioing from an NIC to an industrialized Nation.

But I thought they'd teach that at deep thinker school.

But yes. Water is a resource. You sure didn't Sound like you meant it though. Im sure it was blatantly obvious in your deep thinking analytic mind which we mere mortals can't follow.

[dunfree]

Even in the middle east the conflict Parties took water as a secondary goal after politices. Israel cetainly didn't say no to the sources on the golan heights and actually bombed a dam in Jordan, but the dam was supposed to be built as a political measure.

The water wars "have been coming" since the late 90s. They haven't happenend yet. The Melting glaciers and the highly erratic monsoon seasons will be of much greater concern to the 2 Billion people relying on the 5 great Asian rivers than the whims of Emperor XI. Especially since China will not grow anymore or even start to Lose people because of Demographic change. So assuming they won't build palm springs like Golf courses in the takla makan, they won't need more water. Especially since water use will become more efficient in a country transitioing from an NIC to an industrialized Nation.

But I thought they'd teach that at deep thinker school.

But yes. Water is a resource. You sure didn't Sound like you meant it though. Im sure it was blatantly obvious in your deep thinking analytic mind which we mere mortals can't follow.

Germans really have their head up their ass wrt china. They may not, to your expert ass, need more water but they very much have plans to take more water. There were water shortages earlier this month to make snow for the shitshow games

[riser4]

Even in the middle east the conflict Parties took water as a secondary goal after politices. Israel cetainly didn't say no to the sources on the golan heights and actually bombed a dam in Jordan, but the dam was supposed to be built as a political measure.

The water wars "have been coming" since the late 90s. They haven't happenend yet. The Melting glaciers and the highly erratic monsoon seasons will be of much greater concern to the 2 Billion people relying on the 5 great Asian rivers than the whims of Emperor XI. Especially since China will not grow anymore or even start to Lose people because of Demographic change. So assuming they won't build palm springs like Golf courses in the takla makan, they won't need more water. Especially since water use will become more efficient in a country transitioing from an NIC to an industrialized Nation.

But I thought they'd teach that at deep thinker school.

But yes. Water is a resource. You sure didn't Sound like you meant it though. Im sure it was blatantly obvious in your deep thinking analytic mind which we mere mortals can't follow.

The Golan Heights is the one thing I am perfectly fine that Israel occupied and if it was up to me, think they should keep in perpetuity. Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem, no. Golan Heights, yes. Mostly for the strategic high ground against Syria. If it was just about water, no.

[subtle plague]

You're saying I wasted my time going to a party school?

Never ever, Garth!

[ill-advised strategy]

Yea that cuts deep. I thought I was slightly more cultured, like an eclair or something. I like eclairs. I like donuts too though.

You’re a cold styrofoam cup of gas station coffee, you!

[ill-advised strategy]

I’m just here for the food-based roast battles.