Ukraine

[subtle plague]

Uh what? Tibet ? 1950s? So is Russia selling ak the root of e everything?.

Btw. Tibet doesn't have many resources because the Himalayas are in the Continental collision state of the Wilson cycle. You need a classic ocean continent subduction with plutons (not putins [emoji6]) beneath the mountains to create vasr resources in a young mountain range. As for example south America.


Obviously there are resources, but not in the range that make it exceptional. And most of them were not really known by the 1950s. It was just pure chinese Imperialism that conquered Tibet.

[Cono Este]

Saw some generals on cnn questioning wether the Russians have the logistics to maintain 4 fronts.




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[Cono Este]

I can't imagien this not being a horrible long guerrilla conflict.

Crazy thought I know but one of the ways it seems to make the most sense is if him and china are delberatly starting WWIII. Too crazy for me to actually enteratin tonight. Even craizier thought, especially with the USSR flags, is that it fits way too well into a plandemic divide the west start wwiii allied with china kind of way but thats just way too much for me to even consider as true.

BUt yea I can't imagine this just getting wrapped up nicely for russia and keep trying to wrap my head around how this makes sense.




I dunno, Will historians look back and refer to china taking tibet as the first of the coming resource wars and this as their escalation?

It’s insane to think of him besieging a city like Kiev. Tons of foreigners still there, developed, westernized. The optics are going to be so bad.

Read some rumor Putin has cancer and has gone nuts b


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[glademaster]

Hey Leroy, everyone in this conversation would be better off if you would just clearly, concisely state your position instead of this weird dancing thing you are doing where no one can figure out where you stand on anything and then you get offended when people misunderstand/misrepresented or make assumptions about your position because of the word choices you are making.

It's hard to dance when you spend all your time flailing around hopelessly in the backseat, both intellectually and on skis.

Please tell me someone on here saved that photo of Leroy tailgunning like a massive beater.

[subtle plague]

I'm glad gladefree is back. I wonder where dunmaster is?

[eleeskiing]

Read some rumor Putin has cancer and has gone nuts b


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Look out Reuters, here comes Cono Este. Hard hitting, well sourced journalism at its finest. You should open your own news agency and call it “Lots of People are Saying”.

[grinch]

Suck my balls, Dex.

Splats back!! Im here for the memes

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[cat in january]

My heart goes out to everyone in Ukraine.

The Ukraine army had a long time to prepare a defense plan with help from US. The scale of the invasion was known. Hopefully the plans will choke the Russian army from their supply chain

[grinch]

"The fight is here. I need ammunition not a ride"- Z



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[glademaster]

Zelensky has really risen to the occasion, and while it might horrify people like Cono, I would hope that if the US ever faced an invasion, our political leadership would be handing out firearms and tutorials on how to make gasoline bombs. What do you think the odds are that he lives to see Easter?

It doesn't matter that many aren't trained and don't have military experience. When your country is invaded every single citizen has an obligation to take up arms and resist. If you aren't willing to fight, kill AND die to repel the invaders, you should get the fuck out.

[ill-advised strategy]

and I'm a cabbage. Cool, good talk.

What other food items am I?

You’re a donut! You god damn donut

[Cono Este]

Zelensky has really risen to the occasion, and while it might horrify people like Cono, I would hope that if the US ever faced an invasion, our political leadership would be handing out firearms and tutorials on how to make gasoline bombs. What do you think the odds are that he lives to see Easter?

It doesn't matter that many aren't trained and don't have military experience. When your country is invaded every single citizen has an obligation to take up arms and resist. If you aren't willing to fight, kill AND die to repel the invaders, you should get the fuck out.

Well, if you are willing to tell untrained civilians to go martyr themselves under the treads of a t-72 tank, then maybe you should call for more from your President and NATO?




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[frorider]

Thx Hood for that summary.

The UN abstain vote from China was a diplomatic victory of sorts for Biden but required watering down the statement.

Woke up today to the news that according to Z Turkey will stop Russian warships passing through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits connecting to Black Sea.

Meanwhile grade A shithead Orban agreeing to support any EU sanctions that develop, and said Hungary would support Swift sanctions. Since Putin considers Orban a BFF, this must sting a bit.

[Kinnikinnick]

What’s the incentive for Putin to not drop a smaller atomic bomb on a city in Ukraine if Russian ground forces are unable to take the cities?

Wind direction


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[ötzi]

Well, if you are willing to tell untrained civilians to go martyr themselves under the treads of a t-72 tank, then maybe you should call for more from your President and NATO?

That's at least the second time you've said Zelensky has told people to go get crushed by tanks and it's bullshit. He's told them to blow the fuckers up, not martyr themselves.

[t-the-east]

You’re a donut! You god damn donut

Glad to see the important issues are being discussed in here!

[ötzi]

Invasion updates from google maps: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgd7...ion-of-ukraine

[The SnowShow]

Thx Hood for that summary.

The UN abstain vote from China was a diplomatic victory of sorts for Biden but required watering down the statement.

Woke up today to the news that Turkey will stop Russian warships passing through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits connecting to Black Sea.

Meanwhile grade A shithead Orban agreeing to support any EU sanctions that develop, and said Hungary would support Swift sanctions. Since Putin considers Orban a BFF, this must sting a bit.

How long do the Oligarchs continue to support Putin’s actions? He’s completely isolated in his madness.

[liv2ski]

Copied from John Bruning, Author and Historian:
As long as Ukrainian resolve does not break, I can't see how the Russians are going to be able to pacify the country. All indications are they're in for a nasty guerrilla war far worse than Afghanistan was for them.”

I sure hope that is the case. Why the USA did not send them a hundred+ SAM batteries while Biden was talking a coming war will always leave me pissed off.

[Cono Este]

That's at least the second time you've said Zelensky has told people to go get crushed by tanks and it's bullshit. He's told them to blow the fuckers up, not martyr themselves.

You think any of them will make a difference? No training?

Have you thought about the escalation of Russian aggression on civilian targets this will cause? You think Putin has a soft heart?

Hmmm How do I say this? In Western Europe they have a history of not resorting to throwing their civilians into the Breech.

Let’s see if you guys can stomach the pictures of dead civilians?

Or is that what you want?




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[Bunion 2020]

From the Bulwark

I’m new to Lawrence Freed, who is a professor of War Studies at King’s College in London, but this newsletter on Putin’s war is titled “A Reckless Gamble” and it’s very interesting analysis:

One of the main reasons why wars can turn out badly, even when they have been launched with confidence, is underestimation of the enemy. The sort of optimism bias that leads to predictions of early victory depends on assumptions of a decadent and witless opponent, ready to capitulate at the first whiff of danger. . . .

Coupled with an underestimation of enemy forces can come an overestimation of one’s own. Putin has by and large done well from his wars. He gained the Presidency in 2000 using the Second Chechen War to demonstrate his leadership qualities. He bloodied Georgia in 2008 to warn it off joining NATO and eliminating the separatist enclaves Russia had already established there. He extracted Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and more recently successfully supported Bashar al-Assad in Syria’s civil war. Yet his most recent military enterprises have not involved substantial ground forces being deployed. In Ukraine the operations, including the annexation of Crimea, were largely run by special forces, along with the militias recruited by the separatists in the Donbas. Only briefly, when the separatists looked like they might be defeated in the summer of 2014 did Putin send in regular forces, who routed the unprepared and still amateurish Ukrainian units. In Syria the Russians provided the airpower but not the infantry. . . .

The most important example of this from yesterday was the battle for Hostomel, an airport close to Kyiv, which the Russian tried to take with heliborne troops. If this airport had been taken quickly then the Russians could fly in troops who could then move quickly into Kyiv. But this was a gamble because without backup they were in an exposed position. The Ukrainians shot down several of the helicopters and then in a fierce battle overwhelmed the Russian forces. It is telling that after months of planning for this whole operation, in which every step has been carefully scripted, that the planners decided to attempt something so high risk on the first day.

Read the whole thing.

One of the aspects of the conflict Freed discusses is the importance of the Ukrainian resistance. Because the stronger their fighting spirit, the harder it becomes for the West to abandon them:

We now know that the Ukrainians are serious about defending their country and are resilient. They have not been rolled over. A quick fait accompli would have helped Putin a lot. For example, the design and implementation of Western sanctions would have felt very different if it was against the backdrop of Russia apparently walking over Ukraine. It would have provided the opponents of anything too punitive with an argument that while what happened to Ukraine was a tragedy it was a situation about which little could be done, and so expensive gestures were pointless.

Freed also talks about the fate of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky. On Friday night (local time) Zelensky appeared in a video, from Kyiv, insisting that he planned to stay and fight.
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⚡️Ukraine’s Zelensky posts a new video of himself and his team outside the presidential administration in Kyiv’s government quarter after rumors in Russian media that he’d fled. “We are here. We are in Kyiv. We are defending Ukraine.”

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He declined an offer of evacuation from the United States. Ukrainian forces held Kyiv into Saturday morning and Zelensky emerged onto the streets of the capital, walking with his countrymen. This is a level of personal bravery that we are utterly unaccustomed to seeing from heads of state.2 Zelensky’s conduct over the last few weeks—which has been utterly extraordinary—has substantially buttressed Ukraine’s resolve. He has become more than a man. More than a leader. He has become a symbol.

What we are witnessing is the emergence of a figure who will become a key part of Ukrainian history for the next century. There will be statues of him all over the country. Ukrainians will name their children after him. This is like watching another country’s Washington or Churchill emerge in real time.

I hope we all appreciate how special this is. And how rare. Because normally when world-historical figures emerge, it’s because they’re bad guys.

But at some point he may have to make a judgment about how his life best serves his country. Is it more important that he stay alive to lead? Even if he has to eventually leave Kyiv? Or would sacrificing himself to the Russians make the symbol even more powerful?

It is hateful to talk this way about a man because it is important to remember that Volodymyr Zelensky is not just a symbol. He’s a real person. He’s 44 years old. He’s married. He has two children, one of whom is not yet 10.

But from here on in, history has its eye on him. This is a tremendous privilege but also an unimaginable burden.

May God protect this man and the Ukrainian people

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[MultiVerse]

3. Tonight, they made another paratroop/airborne attempt to get another airport, Vasylkiv. Not sure what all they went in with, but it resulted in heavy fighting. This is a field south of Kyiv, and reports are they actually got an IL-76 on the ground. Heavy fighting. However, another IL-76--which is a massive transport plane--was apparently shot down by Ukrainian air defenses somewhere between 20-70 kilometers from Kyiv depending on the source. Over a hundred paratroops were on board, likely more. If that is true, the Russians lost more men in one incident than the Coalition lost in the 1991 Gulf War.

10. The Ukrainians likely will be overrun in this conventional fight, but already their SF units and others have been hitting Russian supply convoys. As long as Ukrainian resolve does not break, I can't see how the Russians are going to be able to pacify the country. All indications are they're in for a nasty guerrilla war far worse than Afghanistan was for them.”

- There are reports of two, not just one, IL-76 shot down with the assistance from American air operational intelligence.

- The Ukrainians made a tactical decision to let Russian armored units pass through the country initially so that they could attack the supply columns that followed. There are lots of reports and videos of Russian vehicles running out of fuel and/or having mechanical problems.

The latest developments in Ukraine:

[liv2ski]

So once out of fuel where are all the anti tank weapons we should of gave them to blow the fuckers up?

[Bunion 2020]

The Ukrainians made a tactical decision to let Russian armored units pass through the country initially so that they could attack the supply columns that followed. There are lots of reports and videos of Russian vehicles running out of fuel and/or having mechanical problems.

Yep you trade territory for longer and more vulnerable logistical lines of support. Same as Russia did in 1942

[MultiVerse]

So once out of fuel where are all the anti tank weapons we should of gave them to blow the fuckers up?

Ukrainian anti tank weapons explain in part why Russian ground troops are mired on the outskirts of every city struggling to capture them. Defenders in cities are forcing the Russians to siege them using antiquated tactics. Modern armies are not built for that kind of warfare.