Ukraine

[dunfree]

Hmm yes, no troop comminents to support putin then. Carry on.

As usual, your eloquent and stirring discourse has changed my heart and mind. I bow to your impressive linguistic and cognitive abilities. Pudding brain really hurt and made me hungry.

Leroy you moronic fuck I know you are too stupid too influence, I’m here to mock. How is that the biggest freedimbers think someone who invaded rapedand murdered drove people to support him? I’d call you ignorant but yer too dumb

This is your fantasy freedom fight and you are deepthriating the jackboot you stupid cabbage

[Lvovsky]

One side of my family fled the Russian Empire to escape persecution around the turn of the 20th century. They came from an area south of Pinsk probably on the (now) Ukrainian side of the border.

Anyone who didn't flee was dead by 1944: killed by Czarist mobs, the Soviets, the Nazis, or their minions.

I do NOT identify as Ukrainian, Belarusian, Russian, or even European. I don't feel personally attached, not even in the slightest, to the traditions nor the history of those nations.

What I do sympathize with is the fate the Ukrainians suffered under the Russians, the Nazis, the Russians again, and now the Russian once more. I sympathize with people who yearn for freedom and self-determination, and I fear for the freedom of "who's next."



Wouldn't you like to play a nice game of chess?

Thank you, Summit.

[LongShortLong]

Now why would anyone think you were carrying Putin's water and muddying it for him?

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I've known two sons of Poles. One's father lived in the German occupied side. He lived and died with a deep deep hatred of Germans. The other son whose father was on the Russian occupied side wished they'd been on the German side. That's because the Russians were far more brutal and destructive. If a Russian dictator says something about Nazi sympathizers, ask more questions.

[Ted Striker]

It was actually 13 men…now known as the Snake Island 13. Legends.

Rumor is that it was 12 men, 1 woman.

[dunfree]

I've known two sons of Poles. One's father lived in the German occupied side. He lived and died with a deep deep hatred of Germans. The other son whose father was on the Russian occupied side wished they'd been on the German side. That's because the Russians were far more brutal and destructive. If a Russian dictator says something about Nazi sympathizers, ask more questions.

Postwar was kinda complicated. There are ethnic Germans that hate the Czechs because they got evicted. Poles that hate the Germans. Poles that the Russians. ( both hatred’s date century’s before ww2).

[MTT]

Hmm yes, no troop comminents to support putin then. Carry on.

As usual, your eloquent and stirring discourse has changed my heart and mind. I bow to your impressive linguistic and cognitive abilities. Pudding brain really hurt and made me hungry.

Awesome I love it when a maggot puts his back into a post. I see it got the predictable reaction

[leroy jenkins]

Leroy you moronic fuck I know you are too stupid too influence, I’m here to mock. How is that the biggest freedimbers think someone who invaded rapedand murdered drove people to support him? I’d call you ignorant but yer too dumb

This is your fantasy freedom fight and you are deepthriating the jackboot you stupid cabbage

I like the food based insults. They just sent troops to support putin because they're more scared of the racisms than the fascisms and think all of ukraine is the azov brigade because that fear is used to manipulate them. Yea, it boggles my mind too.

I get you're here to mock. Sometimes when people mock others its because they aren't capable of anything else. Its not impressive to me. People who disagree with me are capable of earning my respect and you jsut aren't worth it because every post you make just degrades any conversation you are a part of. That is your contribution. I get mine is a touch rambly and I'm a cabbage. Cool, good talk.

What other food items am I?

[bennymac]

STFU Nobody cares^

The last cab driver I had in Moscow said part of him wishes the Nazis defeated Russia because maybe then Russia today would be successful like Germany.

Of course had the Nazis beat Russia everything would be different - and he knew that.

His point was that he was proud to be Russian but hated how corrupt his government was and he was sad that his vote is meaningless in his own country. That sentiment is pervasive amongst citizens there.

[leroy jenkins]

I've known two sons of Poles. One's father lived in the German occupied side. He lived and died with a deep deep hatred of Germans. The other son whose father was on the Russian occupied side wished they'd been on the German side. That's because the Russians were far more brutal and destructive. If a Russian dictator says something about Nazi sympathizers, ask more questions.

My babcha (grandmother) and great grandmother got to sample a nazi concentration camp and a soviet gulag. I know she wasn't thrilled with the nazis, but she never spoke of them, I think that wound was too deep, but she did speak of really not liking the soviets. I think part of it might have been that nazism was so obviously morally bankrupt and evil, while communism gets cheered on to this day by morons who don't understand what it really was and is. The one was something just purely painful to think of, while the other she seemed to feel some need to have a voice about because the misconceptions made her scared for humanity's future.

[dunfree]

My babcha (grandmother) and great grandmother got to sample a nazi concentration camp and a soviet gulag. I know she wasn't thrilled with the nazis, but she never spoke of them, I think that wound was too deep, but she did speak of really not liking the soviets. I think part of it might have been that nazism was so obviously morally bankrupt and evil, while communism gets cheered on to this day by morons who don't understand what it really was and is. The one was something just purely painful to think of, while the other she seemed to feel some need to have a voice about because the misconceptions made her scared for humanity's future.

And yet, at a practical level nazi wasn’t obviously evil at all to many

[bennymac]

The only people “cheering communism” are those using the term to denounce any policy that has the potential to benefit their neighbor slightly more than themselves - even if only briefly.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Matt?

Either way you're a gaslight-er like him.

The rogan post agreed with that posters comment and it was a dark but funny meme. You're ridiculous.

What in the living fuck are you talking about? Gaslighting? About what? How? Rogan is a fucking joke, and citing him in any way is revealing, like it or not. Sorry. I see others are making the appropriate points about Rogan so I won't, but what I said before (2x) stands--you have only yourself to blame for posting stupid shit. Don't get all pissy about being called out when you pull that shit.

[MTT]

So nothing new to report from Ukraine? I guess I’ll channel surf to see if anything has developed

[oldnew_guy]

Hey Leroy, everyone in this conversation would be better off if you would just clearly, concisely state your position instead of this weird dancing thing you are doing where no one can figure out where you stand on anything and then you get offended when people misunderstand/misrepresented or make assumptions about your position because of the word choices you are making.

[dunfree]

Hey Leroy, everyone in this conversation would be better off if you would just clearly, concisely state your position instead of this weird dancing thing you are doing where no one can figure out where you stand on anything and then you get offended when people misunderstand/misrepresented or make assumptions about your position because of the word choices you are making.

Aw shit you want him to go white nationalist

[Dexter Rutecki]

Hey Leroy, everyone in this conversation would be better off if you would just clearly, concisely state your position instead of this weird dancing thing you are doing where no one can figure out where you stand on anything and then you get offended when people misunderstand/misrepresented or make assumptions about your position because of the word choices you are making.

I really doubt him restating whatever his position is would do anything to elevate this.

[Norseman]

Happened upon today's speech by the Ukrainian UN ambassador on CSPAN in my hotel room. Would recommend.

[Hood26]

UN Security Council Reso Vote:

11 for
1 Against (Fuck Russian “Diplomats” and Putin)
3 Abstain (China, UAE, India)

Reso failed, as expected, with Russian veto power as Big 5.
Good news is that China didn’t vote against. Bad news India has lost its conscience. UAE never had one because they just want to sell oil.

In my opinion a new Reso should come out of GA because it can’t get the auto veto from Russia, imploring SC to send in UN Peacekeeper (should have been done the minute Putin, may he rot in hell, declared he was sending troops in as “peace keepers.”) Of course it would fail, but it would at least put it on record that Russia is against peace keepers helping the refugees and displaced and really about conquering, pillaging, and raping Ukraine like they have been for centuries.

Also, I agree with previous recommendations that everyone turn down their thermostats and that every Russian Passport should be frozen. Strand every Russian in airport time out and make them think about who their leadership is.

[bodywhomper]

So nothing new to report from Ukraine? I guess I’ll channel surf to see if anything has developed

Rebecca solnit on fb has been posting lots of tweets from Ukrainians in ukraine. Details from tonight are things like ground fighting is slowing down at an airport near Kiev, Russian air transport shot down, etc.

[bodywhomper]

What’s the incentive for Putin to not drop a smaller atomic bomb on a city in Ukraine if Russian ground forces are unable to take the cities?

[leroy jenkins]

Hey Leroy, everyone in this conversation would be better off if you would just clearly, concisely state your position instead of this weird dancing thing you are doing where no one can figure out where you stand on anything and then you get offended when people misunderstand/misrepresented or make assumptions about your position because of the word choices you are making.

Really don't think i'm dancing around anything. Example?

[wolfelot]

They are still in the fight! The defense ministry also claims no cities were taken overnight.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Zelenskyy..._nCnJIzjse4pBQ

[Dexter Rutecki]

Give it another day or two, I'm afraid. Russkies still have 100k soldiers waiting to be deployed across the border.

Still no idea why Vlad thinks this will end well for him--I kind of still expect to see him pull back and avoid a war against insurgents for the next 5-10 years.

[Hood26]

Copied from John Bruning, Author and Historian:


“Some quick observations: My opinions only, and I could be way off. So take this all with a grain of salt--this is an historian's keyhole view of what's going down a half a planet away from me:


1. Ukrainian morale is solid. They're furious. Families are making it to Poland, and their dads & husbands are turning right around and going back into the fight knowing their wives and kids are safe. Elderly men and women are hefting AK's now.


2. The inability to capture airbases and airports has caused havoc with the Russian Army's ability to resupply its forward elements. Their logistical system is nowhere near ours, and reports for 2 days now--already--keep flowing in that Russian armored vehicles are running out of gas, forcing their crews to scavenge fuel from Ukrainian gas stations.


As a result, the airports are still a key priority for the Russians. There has also been talks of a cease-fire & a summit between the two nations' leaders. I strongly suspect if that actually happens, it is a dodge to give the Russians breathing space to resupply their forward units and relieve & replace the ones that have been chewed up.


3. Tonight, they made another paratroop/airborne attempt to get another airport, Vasylkiv. Not sure what all they went in with, but it resulted in heavy fighting. This is a field south of Kyiv, and reports are they actually got an IL-76 on the ground. Heavy fighting. However, another IL-76--which is a massive transport plane--was apparently shot down by Ukrainian air defenses somewhere between 20-70 kilometers from Kyiv depending on the source. Over a hundred paratroops were on board, likely more. If that is true, the Russians lost more men in one incident than the Coalition lost in the 1991 Gulf War.


4. Russian losses have been exceptionally heavy. This morning, sources reported 80 tanks, 500 armored and thin-skinned vehicles destroyed, seven helicopters and ten Russian aircraft destroyed. The number of killed, captured and wounded Russian troops has varied a lot, but it is probably in the neighborhood of 1,000+ killed with another 2500-3000 wounded. The initial wave of the invasion included only between 48,000-60,000 troops. so those losses are heavy indeed. Add to that the IL-76, two SU-25 ground attack aircraft and another helicopter in the fighting this evening.


5. Russian sources are reporting they have no suffered any losses, so they've gone full 1980s Tass. To underscore that, there have been several sightings of at least one Russian tank flying a Soviet-era hammer & sickle flag from its turret.


6. A Russian armored column got into Kyiv this morning. I didn't see any tanks reported, all BMPs and light vehicles. One BMP driver deliberately ran over a civilian vehicle, crushing it and trapping an elderly man inside. Yesterday during the initial attack, another BMP was filmed doing the same thing. Both cases were just wanton acts of needless violence.


7. The first resupply from NATO--Poland actually, began funneling across the border into Ukraine. As far as I can tell, it included a number of British ATGM anti-tank weapons. The Baltic States are also sending more weapons and ammunition.


8. The 5,000 helmets Germany donated to the cause showed up today.


9. I saw an unconfirmed report that the Germans are softening their stance on banning Russia from SWIFT. At the same time, several key banks in China have announced they will no longer do business with Russia, which was a major surprise given how close the two countries have been moving toward each other.


10. The Ukrainians likely will be overrun in this conventional fight, but already their SF units and others have been hitting Russian supply convoys. As long as Ukrainian resolve does not break, I can't see how the Russians are going to be able to pacify the country. All indications are they're in for a nasty guerrilla war far worse than Afghanistan was for them.”

[leroy jenkins]

Give it another day or two, I'm afraid. Russkies still have 100k soldiers waiting to be deployed across the border.

Still no idea why Vlad thinks this will end well for him--I kind of still expect to see him pull back and avoid a war against insurgents for the next 5-10 years.

I can't imagien this not being a horrible long guerrilla conflict.

Crazy thought I know but one of the ways it seems to make the most sense is if him and china are delberatly starting WWIII. Too crazy for me to actually enteratin tonight. Even craizier thought, especially with the USSR flags, is that it fits way too well into a plandemic divide the west start wwiii allied with china kind of way but thats just way too much for me to even consider as true.

BUt yea I can't imagine this just getting wrapped up nicely for russia and keep trying to wrap my head around how this makes sense.




I dunno, Will historians look back and refer to china taking tibet as the first of the coming resource wars and this as their escalation?