Moment Skis Discussion

[StopMakingSense]

Fuckin’ beauties.

Love the Proflex on the langes too.

Thanks man, the entire Pulse system has been game-changing for me.

[Falcon3]

Uggggh. The Swiss Cheese Bibby saga continues.

I was going to reuse the toe holes on these damn things. Well I was mocking up the template and whatever jackass mounted these Pivots did the most piss poor job I’ve ever seen.

The toe holes are so crooked on the ski, if you draw a line back just to where the heel piece is, it’s a full 1.5cm offset toward the inside of the ski. So now I’m filling these holes with dowels too and going to fully redrill and hopefully get a good fit. Otherwise it’s into the drill press with inserts. Fuck. Never buying sight unseen from some random jaboni on Marketplace again.

[fk]

I have OG Bibbys and bought WC108 a few seasons ago. Replacing the WC108 for DW104 this season for exactly the reason others have stated. Hoping to get my first day on then later this week. Will report back soon.

Reporting back after a day on DW104s in everything from groomers to packed chalky powder to 6" of fresh - I thought they were perfect for these conditions. They feel much quicker edge to edge and hold an edge better than WC108s on groomers - tons of fun. Still handled variable conditions and light powder well. Powerful ski that felt light and maneuverable, though not quite as playful as WC108s. I'm very happy with my decision to swap out WC108s with DW104s to form a two-ski quiver with my Bibbys / WC.

[mtstpipier]

Might as well throw in my DW104 (179) review as well after a week in Big Sky. My first Moment ski although my daughter has been a Sierra fan for a few years. Flippo may find it relevant as I also ski a Rustler 9. And although I'm tele, plenty of alpine turns get thrown in.

On hardpack, wow. Carves as well as a much skinnier ski. Great for those days you know are going to get scraped off at some point. Real confidence on ice on them, unlike say the Steeples which don't bite well. I did detune the tip and tail after the first day which got rid of some hookiness and allowed for better slashing.

3" freshies were a blast and is probably the sweet spot. Exactly what I was hoping for.

Bust through 3" of leftovers pretty well. A little bucking but much better than the Rustler. Not as damp as the Steeples, but everything is a trade-off. Heavier mank or much more leftover snow and I would want to trade up. The Sierras have a low threshold for crud, and is the one complaint I hear from my daughter. I'd love to get her on a shorter DW104 and see if she thinks the Beech versus Pine is what she's looking for.

In the trees, I felt I had to stay on top of them to turn or pivot quickly. Cannot slash them easily like the BG / Steeple iterations in my quiver. Similar in the bumps, where obviously the Rustler is just easier to pivot on. So they required more focus, but certainly work.

They definitely have a speed limit if that matters for you, somewhere around 30mph. I have Wren 108s although they are too much ski for me. These don't offer the confidence at Mach 3 the Wren's do, although that's not a problem for me. Everyone knows telemark is Norwegian for "wait for me".

Pretty sure these would be a decent touring ski too. They don't weigh much more than my Worth (Praxis) 98s and definitely ski better.

I think these will be the perfect DD for me. If I knew I was going to be in the bumps all day, I'd grab the Rustlers. Over 6" of snow the BGs. But for most days in MT, this ski is the one I'll be grabbing.

[scmartin69]

If anyone wants a piece of Moment history I can facilitate (not my sale)...
Moment Garbones in 182cm
https://reno.craigslist.org/spo/d/so...428273182.html


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[Flippo]

Might as well throw in my DW104 (179) review as well after a week in Big Sky. My first Moment ski although my daughter has been a Sierra fan for a few years. Flippo may find it relevant as I also ski a Rustler 9. And although I'm tele, plenty of alpine turns get thrown in.

On hardpack, wow. Carves as well as a much skinnier ski. Great for those days you know are going to get scraped off at some point. Real confidence on ice on them, unlike say the Steeples which don't bite well. I did detune the tip and tail after the first day which got rid of some hookiness and allowed for better slashing.

3" freshies were a blast and is probably the sweet spot. Exactly what I was hoping for.

Bust through 3" of leftovers pretty well. A little bucking but much better than the Rustler. Not as damp as the Steeples, but everything is a trade-off. Heavier mank or much more leftover snow and I would want to trade up. The Sierras have a low threshold for crud, and is the one complaint I hear from my daughter. I'd love to get her on a shorter DW104 and see if she thinks the Beech versus Pine is what she's looking for.

In the trees, I felt I had to stay on top of them to turn or pivot quickly. Cannot slash them easily like the BG / Steeple iterations in my quiver. Similar in the bumps, where obviously the Rustler is just easier to pivot on. So they required more focus, but certainly work.

They definitely have a speed limit if that matters for you, somewhere around 30mph. I have Wren 108s although they are too much ski for me. These don't offer the confidence at Mach 3 the Wren's do, although that's not a problem for me. Everyone knows telemark is Norwegian for "wait for me".

Pretty sure these would be a decent touring ski too. They don't weigh much more than my Worth (Praxis) 98s and definitely ski better.

I think these will be the perfect DD for me. If I knew I was going to be in the bumps all day, I'd grab the Rustlers. Over 6" of snow the BGs. But for most days in MT, this ski is the one I'll be grabbing.

Thank you for the comparison with the Rustler 9 (I am glad to see that I am not the only here liking it^^). I think it will be a match between these DW104 and the Enforcer 104 free for a place in my quiver. Based on @ender9099 comparison it might be a preference of mount point.

[RadSkier_]

Blister put up flash review of the DW104 and…….this is a shocker…….the DW104 skis like a DW112 but is quicker edge to edge and a touch more damp haha.

[Scat41]

I bought too long for myself and passed on to another lucky skier / ISO DW104 in 184 length.

I’m on the contact list and wishfully thinking I’ll score a new pair if they release a few in February but feel like it’s unlikely. If anyone has / tries a 184 and wants to move on I’m very interested.

Thanks!

[skier666]

I still love the DW 112...

[Brasso]

Hell yeah, nice. You make me want to add the DW to my bloated quiver.

[Bamski]

Looking for a new dedicated touring ski as I’ve started to enjoy my Ravens less.

Current resort quiver is an Enforcer 104 Free and a BC Anima. Love them both.

I had a 184 Bibby that I enjoyed but found a bit dead at times. My Animas have worked a bit better for me and my style at Whistler.

I was wondering if a DWT could be a viable one ski touring quiver for me at Whistler / Up the Duffey. I like skiing steeps, and I’d like to take on some bigger objectives - however I’ve found myself enjoying a slightly wider ski these days (say 110mm+ underfoot).

Would love some suggestions!

[Flippo]

Blister put up flash review of the DW104 and…….this is a shocker…….the DW104 skis like a DW112 but is quicker edge to edge and a touch more damp haha.

They also released their first impressions of the Wildcat new construction. Too bad that I am not a member

[lemonhead]

Looking for a new dedicated touring ski as I’ve started to enjoy my Ravens less.

Current resort quiver is an Enforcer 104 Free and a BC Anima. Love them both.

I had a 184 Bibby that I enjoyed but found a bit dead at times. My Animas have worked a bit better for me and my style at Whistler.

I was wondering if a DWT could be a viable one ski touring quiver for me at Whistler / Up the Duffey. I like skiing steeps, and I’d like to take on some bigger objectives - however I’ve found myself enjoying a slightly wider ski these days (say 110mm+ underfoot).

Would love some suggestions!

I have had a tour ski quiver of one and the Deathwish never let me down.

[davjr96]

Personal preference and location dependent but I am touring on a pair of DW104s this year. About 200g more per ski than the DWT depending on sizing. I like the heavier inbounds core and narrower works better for touring for me.

[Ev3rgreen]

How are these for extended tours? I have a brand new pair this years Wildcat and Wildcat Tour (gifted), considering selling the Wildcat and putting the Cast/Pivot 15 on the WC108 or regular WC to make the quiver a little more versatile.

5th pair of Bibby/WC's to the family, first with the cast

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[Sargentdrufus]

I have had a tour ski quiver of one and the Deathwish never let me down>>
Personal preference and location dependent but I am touring on a pair of DW104s this year. About 200g more per ski than the DWT depending on sizing. I like the heavier inbounds core and narrower works better for touring for me.

I thought about going with the DW104 as my touring ski, but as was said elsewhere for me the DWT as a quiver of 1 is just so dang good.

[mr_pretzel]

Well I’m sad to say I’m one if the few who don’t seem to get along with the deathwish. Couldn’t not figure out the triple camber on hard and variable snow. The ski felt great in fresh, but otherwise quite disappointed.

[scmartin69]

Well I’m sad to say I’m one if the few who don’t seem to get along with the deathwish. Couldn’t not figure out the triple camber on hard and variable snow. The ski felt great in fresh, but otherwise quite disappointed.

Had friends in the same boat. I've determined it's a chromosomal defect.

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[Scat41]

Does this mean some DW need a new home?

[mr_pretzel]

Had friends in the same boat. I've determined it's a chromosomal defect.

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Based on other life choices I have made, highly probable

[MakerofEden]

Well I’m sad to say I’m one if the few who don’t seem to get along with the deathwish. Couldn’t not figure out the triple camber on hard and variable snow. The ski felt great in fresh, but otherwise quite disappointed.

If you decide you want to sell them I will 100% buy em depending on the length. Its time I get on the triple camber wagon. Just send me a PM if you do.

[Ev3rgreen]

If you change your mind and decide you want a Wildcat (190), I'm going to sell mine and stick with the WCT. For anyone interested it's the current year model that is brand new and yet to be mounted, skied, or really anything but gawked at.

If you decide you want to sell them I will 100% buy em depending on the length. Its time I get on the triple camber wagon. Just send me a PM if you do.

[Stewy30]

Rode my new 193cm CB (mounted -1 w/Castified pivots) from everything in between a few days/1 week after a storm to a 62 cm blower resort day.

My daily driver was a pair of 195 cm red/white hojis. Bought a pair of red/blacks for the weight intended to improve skiing through chopped up powder, but it just felt like more work for similar performance. I now confirmed it is definitely due to rocker profile.

Absolutely love this ski. I had no noticeable issues with float in untouched powder skiing while skiing centered. I was cautious given the experiences with float from others, but I was just fine. The combination of the longer effective edge and the weight of these skis while still maintaining the pivot ability of rocked skis made me confident in skiing fast through untouched powder, chop, crud, even groomers. This is easily the fastest I have ever skied in a powder storm day, and had a much easier time railing some GS carved turns on these skis than other fully rocketed skis, about equal to my ravens I use for touring. Perhaps this masked issues people were having with float, as I felt I could go super fast in these in any condition.

The only area they felt somewhat cumbersome was in tight, scraped off moguls in trees, a lot of ski to weave through tiny bumps, as they felt harsh at times, although some further detuning helped a lot.

In conclusion:

Best in resort powder conditions

Worst in tight, scraped moguls or run outs

Good in far more conditions than I assumed.

Makes me really want to try more of their skis for lower tide conditions, eyeing the commander 108s locally.


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[NorCalNomad]

I'm getting some 17/18 Deathwishes with Shifts for a 90/10 setup (that 10% bc would be when traveling) and wondering if the standard BD Tip loop (not the new bent metal one but the wire rope one) is enough to fit over the tips or do I need to go and find the oversized loops to throw on my BD skins that I'd use for them.

[MVC]

straight up hard pack I agree. I feel the problem is not having camber. the death wish has its place for certan conditions. I really want to try a commander for hard pack. I feel more comfortable on my WC 108 in hard pack bumpy terrain but not on the groomers. The banana feel can get sketchy.