Moment Skis Discussion

[RadSkier_]

Seriously! Still no reviews!?!? All I want to know is if the edgehold is THAT much better than the DW112 and how it handle rough/iced up groomers.

I know with the shape and build it will be fun in tight spaces, moguls, prob decent float and great stability. But when I want to try and (pretend) drag my hips, will the edge hold be there? If so then I’m sold.

[davjr96]

Seriously! Still no reviews!?!? All I want to know is if the edgehold is THAT much better than the DW112 and how it handle rough/iced up groomers.

I know with the shape and build it will be fun in tight spaces, moguls, prob decent float and great stability. But when I want to try and (pretend) drag my hips, will the edge hold be there? If so then I’m sold.

I got 6 runs in on them on hard-pack at Mt. Rose before the storm. Initial impressions were that edge hold was pretty solid for the width. I brought them with me east for the holidays so I will have more impressions next week from shitty North East snow. I primarily got them for Tahoe daily driving duty but also am interested how they handle hardpack just for the heck of it. For the record I am an ex racer and have spent every other day this season on FIS SL Race skis so this isn't "Good on edge compared to my collection of 120mm waist skis" . Unfortunately I decided to leave town just as the snow was getting good so won't have soft snow impressions for a while.

[doebedoe]

Seriously! Still no reviews!?!? All I want to know is if the edgehold is THAT much better than the DW112 and how it handle rough/iced up groomers.

I know with the shape and build it will be fun in tight spaces, moguls, prob decent float and great stability. But when I want to try and (pretend) drag my hips, will the edge hold be there? If so then I’m sold.

I want to say the edge hold is noticeably better than the 112, but i'm comparing a 112 with 100+ days on in vs a fresh 104. The 104 is noticeably more fun on groomers. If I was really wanting to lay an edge I might choose something with metal like the Enforcer 104. But the DW is poppy and fun AF.

It's never going to hold an edge like a cochise or bonefide or enforcer as it has no metal and much less effective edge. You have to choose between fun in tight spaces and bumps vs extreme edge hold.

[S.B.]

Just picked up 184 exit world from 14/15, basically a OG bibby with a touring core from what I've read. The line is -7 from center which looks really far back based on the skis shape, would it be dumb to mount them at -5 or -6? It looks like the sweet spot on the OG bibby was at -6 so I'm leaning towards going there. I'm light and short and prefer more centered skis, will be mounting CAST

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[StopMakingSense]

Up to you, just hop on Moment chat and give them an ask. Pretty knowledgeable over there even with the old models. I don't think you could go wrong at a -5 though especially if you're skiing em super centered for a more freestyle feel.

Does anyone here in this thread have a line on Moment Comi's right now? I desperately want a pair again now that I'm in the land of pillows. Don't get me wrong the 190 118 WC's crush but there's something with straight-lining pillows with a Comi.

[stealurface831]

Seriously! Still no reviews!?!? All I want to know is if the edgehold is THAT much better than the DW112 and how it handle rough/iced up groomers.

I know with the shape and build it will be fun in tight spaces, moguls, prob decent float and great stability. But when I want to try and (pretend) drag my hips, will the edge hold be there? If so then I’m sold.

I've never been on a DW112 so can't speak to that comparison but after 3 days on the DW104 skiing early season conditions at big sky i can confirm that this ski has very good edge hold. Had no problem dropping the hips and opening it up. I upped my side edge bevel to 2 degrees but did this prior to getting them on snow for the first time. I'm sure 1/1 is still good. Where this ski really shined was its quickness edge to edge. It is as good as anything I've skied in the 100+ range. And yes, it is very playful and wants to pop off every side hit, roller, and mogul.

[scmartin69]

Up to you, just hop on Moment chat and give them an ask. Pretty knowledgeable over there even with the old models. I don't think you could go wrong at a -5 though especially if you're skiing em super centered for a more freestyle feel.

Does anyone here in this thread have a line on Moment Comi's right now? I desperately want a pair again now that I'm in the land of pillows. Don't get me wrong the 190 118 WC's crush but there's something with straight-lining pillows with a Comi.

Hahaha... Yada yada cold dead hands yada yada
Note the binding coordination

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[Cars Suck]

Got the moving sale email yesterday and was stoked to see some 20/21 C108 in 182 on there.

Demo'd those last year and they are just a fantastic ski. Approachable and not too demanding, easy to break tails in bumps and trees, but power for days on hard, junk, refrozen crap.

Plus that 20/21 graphic is one of the best I've ever seen. The blue colorway on the C98 is better, but the 108 still kicks.

Now need to thin the quiver so will be listing a pair of 19/20 184 WC116s w/ Wardens if anyone's looking. DM if interested

[Kevo]

I guess I just can't stand the idea of living in a world where I never know the difference between the DW and the WC.

I picked up the last pair of 190 WC 118s from Skiburger.

Well, I skied my Wildcats for the first time today. I love them.

I guess maybe I should write a Moment Wildcat vs Moment Deathwish (or maybe Moment Deathwish vs Moment Wildcat for SEO purposes) review since I skied my Deathwishes yesterday and my Wildcats for the first time today.

TLDR- DWs are like a trail mountain bike, WCs are a downhill bike.

Both my DW and my WC are 190cm.

The DW is easy to turn, fun for lots of little hits and effortless to pivot and slash. Thanks to the triple camber, they hold an edge very well and they pivot better than any other ski I've ever been on. They are a fun, lively ski that loves to rebound with energy and intuitively flex into any turn shape imaginable. I think this creates the mind/body/soul connection that so many people talk about with the Deathwishes. They make me a way better skier in tighter terrain. If I could only have one pair of skis, I'd probably choose the DW. For me (as a larger, 5'11, 200lb skier) I need to drive the tips in crud to keep them from deflecting, which means more work for me in those conditions. If you weigh less than I do or if you are a better skier than I am the DW may feel more stout and damp to you than they do to me.

The WCs feel much more substantial. They are the most damp skis I’ve been on that don’t have metal in their layup. I found no speed limit in crud and they love skiing the fall line, absorbing bigger drops, and smoothing out landings. They don’t pivot near as easily nor make the mellow terrain into a playground quite like the DWs. I did find that they are way easier to slash and shut down speed than other skis that I’ve been on that feel this substantial.

Yesterday I skied pow on my DWs. Today was another pow day and I went back and skied some of the same lines on my WCs. I probably made 1/4 as many turns on my WCs as I did on my DWs.

Bot the WC and DW float equally as well.

The WC’s will probably become my go-to for deeper inbounds days and for sidecountry lines where I’ll be carrying more speed. They inspire a lot of confidence and crud performance is amazing. It makes skiing at the end of a big day lots of fun.

The DW will remain my go-to for hardpack, <6 inch pow or a day or two after a storm. They are the perfect ski for hunting leftover pow in trees or playing in the sidecountry no matter how deep.

[BC.]

Well, I skied my Wildcats for the first time today. I love them.

I guess maybe I should write a Moment Wildcat vs Moment Deathwish (or maybe Moment Deathwish vs Moment Wildcat for SEO purposes) review since I skied my Deathwishes yesterday and my Wildcats for the first time today.

TLDR- DWs are like a trail mountain bike, WCs are a downhill bike.

The DW is easy to turn, fun for lots of little hits and effortless to pivot and slash. Thanks to the triple camber, they hold an edge very well and they pivot better than any other ski I've ever been on. They are a fun, lively ski that loves to rebound with energy and intuitively flex into any turn shape imaginable. I think this creates the mind/body/soul connection that so many people talk about with the Deathwishes. They make me a way better skier in tighter terrain. If I could only have one pair of skis, I'd probably choose the DW. For me (as a larger, 5'11, 200lb skier) I need to drive the tips in crud to keep them from deflecting, which means more work for me in those conditions. If you weigh less than I do or if you are a better skier than I am the DW may feel more stout and damp to you than they do to me.

The WCs feel much more substantial. They are the most damp skis I’ve been on that don’t have metal in their layup. I found no speed limit in crud and they love skiing the fall line, absorbing bigger drops, and smoothing out landings. They don’t pivot near as easily nor make the mellow terrain into a playground quite like the DWs. I did find that they are way easier to slash and shut down speed than other skis that I’ve been on that feel this substantial.

Yesterday I skied pow on my DWs. Today was another pow day and I went back and skied some of the same lines on my WCs. I probably made 1/4 as many turns on my WCs as I did on my DWs.

Bot the WC and DW float equally as well.

The WC’s will probably become my go-to for deeper inbounds days and for sidecountry lines where I’ll be carrying more speed. They inspire a lot of confidence and crud performance is amazing. It makes skiing at the end of a big day lots of fun.

The DW will remain my go-to for hardpack, <6 inch pow or a day or two after a storm. They are the perfect ski for hunting leftover pow in trees or playing in the sidecountry no matter how deep.

Nice to hear as I am mounting my DW (190) tomorrow…my obligatory mount pics to come tomorrow pm.

What length is your DW?

[doebedoe]

Well, I skied my Wildcats for the first time today. I love them.

I guess maybe I should write a Moment Wildcat vs Moment Deathwish (or maybe Moment Deathwish vs Moment Wildcat for SEO purposes) review since I skied my Deathwishes yesterday and my Wildcats for the first time today.

TLDR- DWs are like a trail mountain bike, WCs are a downhill bike.

The DW is easy to turn, fun for lots of little hits and effortless to pivot and slash. Thanks to the triple camber, they hold an edge very well and they pivot better than any other ski I've ever been on. They are a fun, lively ski that loves to rebound with energy and intuitively flex into any turn shape imaginable. I think this creates the mind/body/soul connection that so many people talk about with the Deathwishes. They make me a way better skier in tighter terrain. If I could only have one pair of skis, I'd probably choose the DW. For me (as a larger, 5'11, 200lb skier) I need to drive the tips in crud to keep them from deflecting, which means more work for me in those conditions. If you weigh less than I do or if you are a better skier than I am the DW may feel more stout and damp to you than they do to me.

The WCs feel much more substantial. They are the most damp skis I’ve been on that don’t have metal in their layup. I found no speed limit in crud and they love skiing the fall line, absorbing bigger drops, and smoothing out landings. They don’t pivot near as easily nor make the mellow terrain into a playground quite like the DWs. I did find that they are way easier to slash and shut down speed than other skis that I’ve been on that feel this substantial.

Yesterday I skied pow on my DWs. Today was another pow day and I went back and skied some of the same lines on my WCs. I probably made 1/4 as many turns on my WCs as I did on my DWs.

Bot the WC and DW float equally as well.

The WC’s will probably become my go-to for deeper inbounds days and for sidecountry lines where I’ll be carrying more speed. They inspire a lot of confidence and crud performance is amazing. It makes skiing at the end of a big day lots of fun.

The DW will remain my go-to for hardpack, <6 inch pow or a day or two after a storm. They are the perfect ski for hunting leftover pow in trees or playing in the sidecountry no matter how deep.

Good summary and generally how I feel as owner of Bibby/OG Deathwish/Deathwish 104. If I was simplifying to two it'd be DW104 in 184, WC in 190. That would cover everything until I break out either a protest or a 90 or less carver.

[Kevo]

Nice to hear as I am mounting my DW (190) tomorrow…my obligatory mount pics to come tomorrow pm.

What length is your DW?

I ski the 190 DW and the 190 WC. Both are 20/21 models (worth noting because my understanding is that the WC has had subtle changes over the years).

I would not want to go shorter given my size and where I ski (Targhee).

Good summary and generally how I feel as owner of Bibby/OG Deathwish/Deathwish 104. If I was simplifying to two it'd be DW104 in 184, WC in 190. That would cover everything until I break out either a protest or a 90 or less carver.

That makes a lot of sense. I'm glad the DW 104 wasn't around last year- it would be hard to choose between the DW and DW 104, especially if planning to use them as an everyday ski with the WC as a deep day ski.

I'm glad to have the DW though- the hard snow performance is more than good enough for me, and it is nice to have the extra flotation given our annual snowfall.

[BC.]

I ski the 190 DW and the 190 WC. Both are 20/21 models (worth noting because my understanding is that the WC has had subtle changes over the years).

I would not want to go shorter given my size and where I ski (Targhee).



That makes a lot of sense. I'm glad the DW 104 wasn't around last year- it would be hard to choose between the DW and DW 104, especially if planning to use them as an everyday ski with the WC as a deep day ski.

I'm glad to have the DW though- the hard snow performance is more than good enough for me, and it is nice to have the extra flotation given our annual snowfall.

I see the DW as a perfect Targhee ski…..I’m 6’1 200lbs….so 190 will work….that’s why I am making it my trip ski.

I think I’ve mentioned it before, my friend and his girlfriend (patrol) work/ed at Targhee…..love that place/having been shown the nooks/crannies of that place by people who ski it every day….He now works at Sego…..

If I’m out in the near future…I will be on the DW….and hopefully we can compare “notes”..lol.

[g_man80]

Not ski related, but moment related. Found this in SLC tonight. Thoroughly enjoyed.

[scmartin69]

Not ski related, but moment related. Found this in SLC tonight. Thoroughly enjoyed.

LOL... Had one at the factory the other day a I [emoji817] agree.

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[g_man80]

The abv at 6.66% was a nice touch. That’s what caught my attention. Wasn’t until I read the can that I made the connection.

[Kevo]

I see the DW as a perfect Targhee ski…..I’m 6’1 200lbs….so 190 will work….that’s why I am making it my trip ski.

I think I’ve mentioned it before, my friend and his girlfriend (patrol) work/ed at Targhee…..love that place/having been shown the nooks/crannies of that place by people who ski it every day….He now works at Sego…..

If I’m out in the near future…I will be on the DW….and hopefully we can compare “notes”..lol.

I think you'll be happy on the 190s. They are not difficult to ski.

Definitely send a PM if you make it out this way!

[BC.]

Finally got a chance to mount em’:

[scmartin69]

Tahoe Tap House is representing...
On a entirely different note, picked up a pair of Exit Worlds for $50... Kid is gonna be stoked

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[StopMakingSense]

Well, first, I think a mag has hooked it up on some OG Comi's, pretty stoked.

Question for y'all though. My 190 Wildcat 108 doesn't care but nor does it give AF but it's on its last legs. Two more major core shots yesterday underfoot that I'll be getting base welds on. No more grinds left and the edges are probably one more hit from fully tearing out. It's been a great ski the last two years for me and I do love it.

I currently also use 190 Wildcat 118's which I love and are in great shape, they're a staple for when it's snowing as I've been skiing on the Bibby since 2008 when the boy and girl were merrily walking down the path to the castle.

My question is is Moment is out of the 190 Wildcat 108 which now makes me consider the Commander 108. They have the 182 in stock and 4 188's available for pre-order. Effective edge the 182 is slightly shorter (1525mm) compared to the 190 WC (1560) but the 188 Commander is slightly longer (1585) which leaves me wondering 182. or 188.

I don't make short turns unless I'm in the trees. If it's slightly bumped out I prefer to absorb over them and make big turns. I like straight-lining chutes and I love cliffs. I don't ride switch or get spinny. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? 5' 11" 180lbs

[skier666]

My 13 year old loves his DW 104. That’s all I got out of him.

[scmartin69]

Well, first, I think a mag has hooked it up on some OG Comi's, pretty stoked.

Question for y'all though. My 190 Wildcat 108 doesn't care but nor does it give AF but it's on its last legs. Two more major core shots yesterday underfoot that I'll be getting base welds on. No more grinds left and the edges are probably one more hit from fully tearing out. It's been a great ski the last two years for me and I do love it.

I currently also use 190 Wildcat 118's which I love and are in great shape, they're a staple for when it's snowing as I've been skiing on the Bibby since 2008 when the boy and girl were merrily walking down the path to the castle.

My question is is Moment is out of the 190 Wildcat 108 which now makes me consider the Commander 108. They have the 182 in stock and 4 188's available for pre-order. Effective edge the 182 is slightly shorter (1525mm) compared to the 190 WC (1560) but the 188 Commander is slightly longer (1585) which leaves me wondering 182. or 188.

I don't make short turns unless I'm in the trees. If it's slightly bumped out I prefer to absorb over them and make big turns. I like straight-lining chutes and I love cliffs. I don't ride switch or get spinny. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? 5' 11" 180lbs

Having owned and/or skied all those minus the C108 in 182cm I would say the C108 is not a good "replacement" for the WC108 but a good complement. Just like the specs suggest, the WC108 is more nimble and floats better, the C108 is better on firm snow and is more stable at speed. That said: from your description of your skiing the C108 would be an awesome choice and I would go 188.

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[Sylvan]

That said: from your description of your skiing the C108 would be an awesome choice and I would go 188.

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Agreed, 188. C108 is a great combo of stable, but easy to ski for a chargy ski. Been making increasingly questionable decisions on my 188 and things keep working out. Either gonna be the season of my life, or I'm gun die. I love the 188, but at 210 I wouldn't be afraid of the 194 if they were avail. Have fun!

[StopMakingSense]

Alrighty going C188 ... the 182 just kept screaming to me that I'd want more if I got it. Thanks for the comments, was never a huge fan of the Cochise but loved the Line 108 Supernaturals. Hoping these will fill a new hole in my heart that the Line's did.

Dropped off of sub-peak at Revy today and I remember now that the WC108 does not love 2' of blower at fast speeds. It doesn't plain as well. I don't know why I wasn't skiing the WC118. Retiring the 108 would've made the decision easy today, WC118.

I think the Commander 108 is going to be super solid between storms and hitting lines that I'd rather be chalky then sluff city.

[mc_roon]

Talk to me about 194cm Commander 124 mounting points. I got a used set and will need to remount - I love all my bibby's at -1, 193 CBs at -1. Not a lot of info/reviews out there & I want to get this right.

refreshing this question - any insights???