To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Getting a shingles vaccine at 50 isn’t required, it’s recommended because the severity of the infection can lead to hospitalization and death as you age and your immune system starts to fail.

Also shingles isn’t contagious to others unless they have never had chicken pox. Most older people have had chicken pox and hopefully younger people have been vaccinated.

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[Skidog]

I can only assume this is a rhetorical question.

Skidog is a self admitted troll.

Probably because the answers have been shitty and nobody has really addressed the fact that prior infection does in fact provide protection, or the fact that vaxxed simply get a pass even though they carry, get sick, and she'd the virus.

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[mtuhockey33]

Getting a shingles vaccine at 50 isn’t required, it’s recommended because the severity of the infection can lead to hospitalization and death as you age and your immune system starts to fail.


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so why isn’t it required?? This is a potentially deadly disease and we have a vaccine for that would limit hospitalization and death! Doesn’t anyone think about anyone else!?!?

[old_newguy]

Probably because you are trolling.

[SumJongGuy]

so why isn’t it required?? This is a potentially deadly disease and we have a vaccine for that would limit hospitalization and death! Doesn’t anyone think about anyone else!?!?

If I have shingles, there are zero chances of me infecting 10 + other people around me with it..

[XXX-er]

Atlantic article on why US vaccination rate has fallen to #36 on earth, provides three major reasons:

No group is more likely to reject the vaccines than young Americans without insurance. Members of this group are disproportionately young and low-income and lack easy access to a doctor if something goes wrong. Many of them don’t know that the vaccine is free. Meanwhile, the fear of side effects is one of the most common reasons people give for avoiding the vaccines. This fear, compounded by a feeling of estrangement from the health system, is keeping many Americans from getting vaccinated.

Americans aren’t radically different from Europeans on how much we trust public authorities or how readily we accept public-health restrictions to fight the pandemic. What makes the U.S. exceptional is our unusually low support for vaccines in general. The U.S. had significant levels of vaccine hesitancy before the pandemic.

And of course, the politicization of vaccines in America.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...nation/620201/

Americans and Canadians are even less different but

we got the exact same shit going on up here in northern BC/ alberta except everyone knows the HC is universal and the doctors are the same quality so thats not it

alberta even tried givivng the holdouts 100$ which didnt work

the only thing that appears to be working is vaccine passports which limit your abilty to participate in life without showing a code on your phone to porve you are vacccinated which allows you to go for a beer or a pizza

and they say the exact same things in the ICU about big pharma or whatever cuz they read the exact same things on their device

[MagnificentUnicorn]

so why isn’t it required?? This is a potentially deadly disease and we have a vaccine for that would limit hospitalization and death! Doesn’t anyone think about anyone else!?!?

I would guess it’s because it’s not really contagious because almost everyone alive has had chicken pox or been vaccinated for chicken pox so it doesn’t really affect other people. Just a guess.


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[mtuhockey33]

Probably because the answers have been shitty and nobody has really addressed the fact that prior infection does in fact provide protection, or the fact that vaxxed simply get a pass even though they carry, get sick, and she'd the virus.

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this is what I don’t get. They’re all worried about unvax’d giving Covid to someone else (asymptotically) but don’t give a fuck if they contract it and give it to someone else. There’s literally no proof that you guys aren’t getting it asymptotically and going around and giving it to other people. And yet you blame literally everyone else for you also potentially getting people sick.

the hive mind here is so smart, I forgot some were medical doctors and they even helped make the vaccine! Therefore, any and all knowledge I have about anything is invalid!!

[MultiVerse]

According to the CDC the unvaccinated transmit at a 5 times higher rate as the vaccinated and are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid.

Since this has been brought to your attention many many times it's not just your knowledge but also your innumeracy that is invalid.

As an aside, are you a QAnon supporter?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

The proof of lower transmission in highly vaccinated communities has been presented here multiple times. Just because there are breakthrough cases doesn’t mean greater transmission.


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[old_newguy]

The proof of lower transmission in highly vaccinated communities has been presented here multiple times.

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Oh, like that matters to these two?

Mtu is asking you to prove a negative with evidence. It’s a non-starter.

[mtuhockey33]

According to the CDC, the unvaccinated transmit at 5 times the rate as the vaccinated.

okay now do those same numbers for previously infected with antibodies - I’ll wait. And I’ll be here all week waiting for your reasoning that prior infection is infecting more than un-vaxx’d.

I’ll just wait.

edit: I’ll wait for anyone here to show me that by having antibodies, I still need to get the shot because my chances of dying are as drastic as if I was vaccinated and in my same age range. Same with me infecting someone else (more than a vaccinated person would). You guys can’t prove this and so all you can do is make a blanket law that keeps everyone except the hive mind from participating in society.

its cool though… hitler wanted everyone to be Aryan ����♂️

[MagnificentUnicorn]

We dropped the ball on contact tracing and follow up for previously infected. The level of protection likely varies greatly. Do you have a good long book?


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[mtuhockey33]

We dropped the ball on contact tracing and follow up for previously infected. The level of protection likely varies greatly. Do you have a good long book?


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Protection varies greatly from the vaccinated too. People have gotten the shot and then found out they didn’t have antibodies after 6 months - that’s alarming.


https://www.wcnc.com/mobile/article/...7-5e9278489b2f

soooo you want to start that good, long book of yours now?

[MultiVerse]

okay now do those same numbers for previously infected with antibodies - I’ll wait. And I’ll be here all week waiting for your reasoning that prior infection is infecting more than un-vaxx’d.

I’ll just wait.

No need to wait. Just go back and reread the previous answers.

We dropped the ball on contact tracing and follow up for previously infected.

To the extent that's true, it's also by design. A lot of the people whinging about it also don't want the government to have the data. Texas, for example, isn't even reporting demographic data to the CDC.

I don't know why these idiots are crying about it on TGR when if this what they really want then they should be lobbying for a more efficient bureaucracy. It's almost as if they are using prior infection as yet another talking point to support the anti-vax narrative.

[Skidog]

We dropped the ball on contact tracing and follow up for previously infected. The level of protection likely varies greatly. Do you have a good long book?


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It varies greatly in vaxxed to...wtf???

Also when I ask about prior infected immunity, shedding , someone misses the point entirely and says "blah blah unvaccinated shed more than vaxxed", never a thing about prior infected. Lol....plenty of info on prior infection having good protection..

Keep on deflecting/ignoring/goal post moving.

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[skiJ]

post #13998

This isn't about teamwork lol ...


actually, combating a pandemic IS about teamwork.

I have not seen a single post in the last week ( Except yours ! !! ) that says YOU [ ...need to get (vaccinated) ?? ]


but it is irresponsible to deny the value of vaccination - which appears to be the cause you have championed.


you claim you have had covid - congratulations.
. . . I wish we could give you an award that included the enlightenment of the lack of responsibility of your position.


part of me thinks you are just here for entertainment -
you love the argument ; you LOVE the attention.

I wish we could give you an award, mtu -

it IS about teamwork; it is not about YOUR antibodies - - but, hey, keep manufacturing quotations...


goodBye, mtu -


tj

[mtuhockey33]

It's almost as if they are using prior infection to support the anti-vax narrative.

It’s almost as if you can’t discern the difference between prior infection and anti-vax! And I thought you guys were supposed to be smart….

you can be anti-vax mandate and still be pro vaccine for the people that need it. I don’t plan on getting a shingles vaccine because, as you stated earlier, “it’s not a deadly disease”

same with Covid for a prior infected, under 40 person. But you’ll never admit that because, “reeeeeeeeee trust the science - everyone needs a vaccine now and 6 months from now and another 6 months from then……”

[old_newguy]

No need to wait. Just go back and reread the previous answers.

It's almost as if they are using prior infection as yet another talking point to support the anti-vax narrative.

Worse, they are promoting getting infected to acquire immunity in lieu of vaccination.

Mtu has a pretty good history of being anti vaccine if I recall.

[Mazderati]

Asymptotically contracting COVID. People really take that for granite. And treat it like an escape goat.

[Skidog]

No need to wait. Just go back and reread the previous answers.




To the extent that's true, it's also by design. A lot of the people whinging about it also don't want the government to have the data. Texas, for example, isn't even reporting demographic data to the CDC.

I don't know why these idiots are crying about it on TGR when if this what they really want then they should be lobbying for a more efficient bureaucracy. It's almost as if they are using prior infection as yet another talking point to support the anti-vax narrative.

Wrong. All conjecture and widely varied results. You see the ones you want, but the others exist. As you've all mentioned it's changing everyday as we learn more.

What will you all say if it's ever found that prior infection is actually better long term? That would be a terrific day to watch you all backpeddle.

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[MultiVerse]

IKeep on deflecting/ignoring/goal post moving.

lol, your questions have been answered every day for weeks. Maybe it's beyond your ability to comprehend?

[mtuhockey33]

post #13998

This isn't about teamwork lol ...


actually, combating a pandemic IS about teamwork.

I have not seen a single post in the last week ( Except yours ! !! ) that says YOU [ ...need to get (vaccinated) ?? ]


but it is irresponsible to deny the value of vaccination - which appears to be the cause you have championed.

you claim you have had covid - congratulations.
. . . I wish we could give you an award that included the enlightenment of the lack of responsibility of your position.

part of me thinks you are just here for entertainment -
you love the argument ; you LOVE the attention.

I wish we could give you an award, mtu -

it IS about teamwork; it is not about YOUR antibodies - - but, hey, keep manufacturing quotations...

goodBye, mtu -


tj

hey Tj. You don’t know fuck all about how I got Covid or what happened after. I worked for a “essential business” and we couldn’t shut down. Wore my mask, still got Covid, I’m fine now.

id love to see the “lack of responsibility” because before vaccines that was all you could do - “social distance” if that worked and wear a mask. And guess what! Millions still got infected with Covid!!! And now we’re just going to ostracize them from society because they have antibodies and don’t want an unnecessary vaccine (if they’re under 40)

you need to get out and live life a little man… if you’re that worried about a virus, I’d hate to see how you ski. You ever leave the ground when you ski??

[jono]

It varies greatly in vaxxed to...wtf???

WTF is a good point. It varies 1% as much among vaccinated as convalescent. 1% is equivalent in a very WTF kinda world.

[mtuhockey33]

lol, your questions have been answered every day for weeks. Maybe it's beyond your ability to comprehend?

you guys don’t have answers for anything about previously infected vs anti-vax spread or even previous infection isn’t as good as getting the vaccine anymore. There have been reports. You’re too ignorant to read or believe anything and yet you’re such a strong backer to this new vaccine it almost makes you wonder if you really are able to read and comprehend anything…