To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[summit]

Colorado BOH issues an emergency rule mandating COVID vaccines for all healthcare facility workers in CO.

The public commentary at the meeting was mostly painful to listen to. There was a good comment or 3 by a CMO and a CEO. I didn't get a chance to speak, the zoom line was too long. One lady claimed to be Miss Germany and ranted about movies and Bill Gates... she was amusing at least.

If I had gotten to speak, here were my comments:

*Introducing my healthcare background blah blah blah* practicing in the mountains for 17 years. I experience individual effects of COVID in ICU patients I care for with my own hands, and the big picture effects in the epidemiological data I review. I’m a libertarian at heart and strongly believe in individual freedom, but part of that belief is the ethical concept that nobody has the ability to impart risk on others and their community. Individual rights matter, but when it comes to communicable disease, no person is an island. We have a duty to safeguard our patients, colleagues, and the public. We have the expectation that our healthcare providers have immunization or titers for measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, chickenpox, hepatitis B, and the yearly influenza vaccine. COVID is currently a much greater risk, and consideration should be at least the same! COVID-19 vaccines are very low risk, but not completely risk free. We consider risk versus benefit. Vaccines are far safer than the disease that they so effectively offer protection against, even for those in the lowest risk categories for the disease. A few will fall have exemption for valid medical reasons or sincerely held religious beliefs. No organization should want to become the de facto employer of choice for those who simply do not want to be vaccinated. I encourage the board to vote yes. Thank you for this chance to comment.

[jono]

As noted on that Twitter thread (or some adjacent tweet): Japan has recently approved Ivermectin for COVID treatment. Of course the web is totally clogged with poor sources on that search word, so IDK what evidence they've published.

It wouldn't be the first (or last) time Japan pulled a treatment from the ground and showed usefulness despite never having any chance for commercially viable trials in the US.

Obviously here it's being used as an excuse not to vaccinate, but the "cover up" of this "miracle cure" is probably the single most common point among the (previously uninfected) anti-vaxers these days. Followed by vitamin D and all that, but the point used for the conspiracy nuts is that Ivermectin is being covered up to sell more vaccines. I doubt that goes away without letting some of them exercise the right to try. At a minimum.

[mcski]

Ironic because it’s expensive besides being really harsh on the body

[The SnowShow]

Colorado BOH issues an emergency rule mandating COVID vaccines for all healthcare facility workers in CO.

The public commentary at the meeting was mostly painful to listen to. There was a good comment or 3 by a CMO and a CEO. I didn't get a chance to speak, the zoom line was too long. One lady claimed to be Miss Germany and ranted about movies and Bill Gates... she was amusing at least.

If I had gotten to speak, here were my comments:

That must have been horrible to listen to. Glad they’re mandating this. Seems like a no-brainer in a fucking pandemic but I guess there are enough idiots out there..

Your comments were well written.

[jono]

Ironic because it’s expensive besides being really harsh on the body

Right? And if there's one thing the AMA catches hell over it's treating the sick instead of preventing the disease.

[old goat]

Yeah, I was just being facetious. But if the patient leaves AMA that's on them. There is the issue of whether the accepting physician is willing to be responsible for a patient that is unstable for transport.

I'm sure Dr Snakeoil will be happy to take him in transfer.

He's taking this tune of his a little too far IMO:


I wonder if years of drug abuse have added up to this batshit craziness he and Van Morrison seem to be entrenched in.

Come on. All musicians are batshit crazy, but you knew that.

Great, the outro was stuck in my head all afternoon!

But really, Clapton is pretty easy to hate. Layla is about coveting his best friend's wife.

And speaking of that outro, Allman's slide guitar is kinda pitchy, the piano melody was stolen from Rita Coolidge, and the guy who played it is serving life in prison for murdering his mother.

I need to retract my statement about Clapton a little. His guitar solos on While My Guitar Gently Weeps and on the Tommy movie version of Eyesight to the Blind are excellent. So he can make good music when he isn't phoning it in.

What I am getting at is Wagshul is properly licensed and credentialed. I assume he followed every law and ethical rule when prescribing Ivermectin. If he didn't, he should have his medical license pulled. He does wear a bow tie though, and I am wary of anyone who wears a bow tie professionally.

Surgeons traditionally wore bow ties to keep their ties out of patients' wounds. Wagshit has no excuse. (My Chief of Surgery wore a bow tie. Before his retirement dinner Nordstrom's sold out of bow ties. I can still tie mine but it takes 3 or 4 tries.)

Colorado BOH issues an emergency rule mandating COVID vaccines for all healthcare facility workers in CO.

The public commentary at the meeting was mostly painful to listen to. There was a good comment or 3 by a CMO and a CEO. I didn't get a chance to speak, the zoom line was too long. One lady claimed to be Miss Germany and ranted about movies and Bill Gates... she was amusing at least.

If I had gotten to speak, here were my comments:

I'd use smaller words. ; -- )

[TBS]

Looks like the vaccine-resistant holdout of our MTB crew may be coming around…
Told me she was getting used to the idea of getting the jab, but was still really scared about side effects.
Such as?
Bells Palsy

Hmm, I didn’t know that a lot of people were getting BP from the vax. How many have contracted it?
Well, I don’t know but there’s been some…

You do know that it normally goes away after a few weeks, right? Old friend of mine woke up with it during an air flight. Went away after three weeks.
Well, with some people it never goes away…



Her change of heart is likely due to:
- OR has mandated vaccines for all educators, and the medical exemption is pretty strict,
- our adaptive sports program, for which she volunteers, is requiring proof of vax, or
- she has the hots for another guy in our group who very much favors vaccinations

[Ted Striker]

Jon Stewart: This is theater, it's obvious.

-crosstalk-

Jon Stewart: How old are you?

Tucker Carlson: 35

Jon Stewart: And you wear a bow tie.

Tucker Carlson: Yes, I do. I do.

Jon Stewart: So this is theater.

Tucker Carlson: Now, come on.

Jon Stewart: Listen, I'm not suggesting that you're not a smart guy, because those are not easy to tie.

[KQ]

Woman claims Costco letter threatens membership over mask wearing

[rideit]

Fuck yeah, Tom Olson.

[wooley12]

Way to go Costco. Was at O'Reilly's and had the ONE guy at the counter with a mask wait on me. I told the others to step back. On my way back to the car I got waved into a Mexican bar by an anti mask/covid buddy from El Salvador. When I went in with my mask on and he said take it off and I told him he wasn't my mother. Didn't stay for a beer. How was your day?

[ill-advised strategy]

My idiot friend seems to be really worried about graphene in the vaccine.

I don’t even know how to talk to this guy anymore.

[AK47bp]

Woman claims Costco letter threatens membership over mask wearing

But but but…..the constitution…….my rights……illegal…….constitution……nazisâ €¦â€¦violation……my rights………the constitution.


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[Buzzworthy]

Looks like the vaccine-resistant holdout of our MTB crew may be coming around…
Told me she was getting used to the idea of getting the jab, but was still really scared about side effects.
Such as?
Bells Palsy

Her change of heart is likely due to:
- she has the hots for another guy in our group who very much favors vaccinations

It sounds like the more injections she gets the better.

[mfcf13]

"It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear. And from our shores, we — you know, it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows."

I heard it'd be gone by Easter (he was referring to Easter '22) .

[MultiVerse]

The IndyStar sports columnist is a stone cold assassin:

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[cinnepa]

Way to go Carson, you selfish fukkk.

[Harry]

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[k2skier112]

lol, freedumb bags

[riser4]

Phil Scott pulls a Phil Scott move: https://www.wcax.com/2021/08/30/gove...-mask-mandate/

[MontuckyFried]

Ruh roh. As to the requiring vax proof is not racist but requiring ID is racist argument, what's going on with NYC? Per Mark Levine's Twitter:

https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/st...09129271582724

NYC's new vaccination screening program for indoor dining etc requires that you show proof of vax *and* ID.

If you have an ID—don't forget to bring it.

If you need an ID—get the City's IDNYC.

&

https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/st...09749189750788

The ID requirement is to help reduce fraud. Venues covered by the vax screening program are required to check ID for those 18+. Checking ID for 12+ is optional.

So, an ID requirement to help reduce fraud, eh? You don't say.

[ex-powderbroker]

poly nonsense

[Skidog]

Ruh roh. As to the requiring vax proof is not racist but requiring ID is racist argument, what's going on with NYC? Per Mark Levine's Twitter:

https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/st...09129271582724


&

https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/st...09749189750788

So, an ID requirement to help reduce fraud, eh? You don't say.

This will either not last or cost a lot more places their businesses. it will NOT help the city.

[Skidog]

poly nonsense

So you're cool just showing anyone who asks you for you identification? Interesting.

[rideit]

You are cool not having any health controls during an out of control, deadly pandemic?
When 50% of our population are obtuse, self defeating morons?