To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[AK47bp]

This shit is costing employers money so I can see more no-vaccine surcharges and vaccine mandates coming.

Here is the 2 health plans from my company and the Covid cost.

Self-funded plan
2,076 claimants (up from 1,973 at the end of June)
$839,454 paid (up from $758,374 at the end of June)
There have been 211 confirmed cases, 80 ER visits ($75,096) and 3 in-patient admissions ($92,361); 1 new hospitalization since last month at $36,529
1,286 members with a vaccination and 1,057 members fully vaccinated (28.11%)
Fully-insured plan
525 claimants (up from 514 at the end of June)
$392,487 paid (up from $370,133 at the end of June)
There have been 67 confirmed cases, 24 ER visits ($32,069) and still just 1 inpatient admission ($129,863)
251 members with a vaccination and 211 members fully vaccinated (29.76%)



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[Kinnikinnick]

The Original Tyrant of Vaccine Mandates:

George Washington

https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&sm...oculation.html


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[KQ]

Trying to wrap my head around the mentality that stridently refuses a fda approved vaccine for humans but goes all in on veterinary meds…
Speculating that this Venn diagram includes rural people who either grew up on farms or still have farms & should know better than to take animal meds. And are likely comfortable delivering vaccines to animals used for food production. Further, if vaccines are suspect…how are animal med chemicals any less suspect?
Just amazing & alarming that these decision-making wizards are driving around us everyday; open-carrying; voting; choosing how to raise their kids; etc…if that’s not a slow motion catastrophe unfolding around us in everyday life, i don’t know what is.

I guess we already saw some initial fallout with the election of the recently-unelected president.

Lots of livestock people take animal meds all the time. Mostly antibiotics but also pain killers and tranqs (I know a woman who killed her husband with Ace and stuffed him in the freezer. FBI came to our barn asking about her but that's another story for another day).

Anyhoo.....Often times these scripts are filled at the local pharmacy rather than through the vet and they are the same drugs people take.

Last Fall my Appy got gladular gastric ulcers. It required that he he be given 30 Misoprostol a day (the morning after pill) for a month. I cleared out all the online vet pharmacies and WSU trying to get enough. Eventually I had to go to Walgreens for last couple bottles. I have some left over. Wonder if I had a young daughter who got herself in trouble if she'd help herself.

Funny story related to that: My wonderful vet at WSU, Dr. Gold, told me that when she was working in Saudi Arabia treating horses she needed Misoprostol but when she tried to get it from a pharmacy they freaked out because it's an abortion pill and that's a big no-no in SA. She said she didn't even consider that when she ordered it because to her it was a treatment for a horse.

[KQ]

The Original Tyrant of Vaccine Mandates:

George Washington

https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&sm...oculation.html

History of Vaccines

[summit]

Thanks! That does sound pretty much like what happened in her case. I was curious if you use a test on the patient to determine whether to remove them from isolation, but it sounds like no, if enough time has passed?

Yea we go with time based testing based both on studies of infected folk to see how long folks were shedding replication competent virus, and on contact trace studies indicating time of transmission.

Using time based clearance of precautions doesn't just spare tests, it clears people faster. It is possible, likely even, that people will continue to test positive for COVID-19 via PCR long after they are no longer infectious. This is because PCR looks for a small genetic sequence unique to SARS-CoV2 which are present in remaining RNA fragments or incompetent virus long after the person is no longer transmitting disease.

We stopped using test based clearance by early summer last year. We actually advise against testing someone for COVID-19, period, if they had COVID-19 it in the last 90 days unless there is a very compelling reason to think they have it again. We are trying to avoid false positives, unneeded isolation, or unnecessarily extended isolations.

If you use test based clearance you end up like those poor cruise ship people in early 2020 some of whom were isolated for many weeks or even months!

[Conundrum]

you do understand nobody is REQUIRED to get a drivers license right?

You need verification of identity to:

Go to school
Buy or rent a house
Get a job
Buy many things
Get legally married
Drive on public roads
Etc.

So basically you’re correct. You can legally travel anywhere public you want to walk, ride a bike, or a horse without the possibility of detainment. No requirement to get a drivers license but it seems pretty fucking inconvenient not to.

[KQ]

This woman spoke at the Grandville board meeting yesterday and has over 19 years experience in mitigation training and is a Senior Industrial Hygenist that works in Occupational and Environmental Toxicology. She teaches the “experts” on how to effectively use a mask.

Mask Expert Schools School Board

[paulster2626]

This woman spoke at the Grandville board meeting yesterday and has over 19 years experience in mitigation training and is a Senior Industrial Hygenist that works in Occupational and Environmental Toxicology. She teaches the “experts” on how to effectively use a mask.

Mask Expert Schools School Board

She said at the end masks decrease oxygen intake by 20%. Is that true?

The way she speaks, I would not want to speak with this woman in any context whatsoever.

[Ted Striker]

If they would stop voting in corporate whores who talk a good culture war game, they might turn the tide.

Literally the thesis of What's the Matter with Kansas?

[KQ]

She said at the end masks decrease oxygen intake by 20%. Is that true?

The way she speaks, I would not want to speak with this woman in any context whatsoever.

according to the WHO, no.

Yeah, she's not demonstrating a pleasant demeanor in that video.

[twat]

She said at the end masks decrease oxygen intake by 20%. Is that true?

The way she speaks, I would not want to speak with this woman in any context whatsoever.

the thing she mentioned most is that she is an expert and she knows experts and that we all use masks wrong.

it is hard to get all she says but what is the stuff killing mold in the building??? and the stuff killing mold also kill covid viruses... i treat mold in side with dehumidifiers .....

i thought vaxx and masks is the way to go?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

The do, and have every damned required vax they need. They DO NOT have to carry it to walk into a restaurant though now do they?

Private businesses can require whatever they want for entry right? I think the last 18 months have shown that you don’t need to go into a store to buy goods, you don’t even need to leave your home. Nobody is being forced to get vaccinated. It might be a requirement for employment or to enter a business or public building but no one is being forced to get vaccinated. If people want to participate in “normal” society they can get vaccinated or opt out.

And apparently you’re wrong because more private businesses are now requiring vaccine for entry. It’s freedom, individuals(private businesses) have a choice. It’s not discrimination because it’s for the greater good and the protection of society. There is precedent in the SCOTUS over a hundred years ago. Amazing how our democracy works huh?

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[paulster2626]

the thing she mentioned most is that she is an expert and she knows experts and that we all use masks wrong.

it is hard to get all she says but what is the stuff killing mold in the building??? and the stuff killing mold also kill covid viruses... i treat mold in side with dehumidifiers .....

i thought vaxx and masks is the way to go?

I know it's not very scientific at all, but all last year when the kids were in school wearing masks, they never - not once - got a cold or anything. I'm sure there's no mask that can stop ALL viruses, but to say they are completely useless and "child abuse" is a bit much. But, of course, I'm no expert!

[Adolf Allerbush]

I know it's not very scientific at all, but all last year when the kids were in school wearing masks, they never - not once - got a cold or anything. I'm sure there's no mask that can stop ALL viruses, but to say they are completely useless and "child abuse" is a bit much. But, of course, I'm no expert!

I'm no expert either but if masks do "nothing" why do doctors performing surgeries wear them even in non-pandemic times?

[bennymac]

Go ahead and carpet bomb your facebook feeds with this helpful bible quote.

[AEvospace]

I'm no expert either but if masks do "nothing" why do doctors performing surgeries wear them even in non-pandemic times?

To stop larger particles from entering an open body?

[ill-advised strategy]

They don’t have to live alone in Covidtown™

[jono]

FFS. 0% effective. If you need to discuss a % it's because it's not 0 (or 100). That poor woman isn't going to win many court cases with this in her background.

[twat]

To stop larger particles from entering an open body?

now i understand why she says: i need to be asked how to build a hospital , but why wasn`t i asked during the covid pandemic : ) i know why nobody asked her for her opinion LOL

[twat]

FFS. 0% effective. If you need to discuss a % it's because it's not 0 (or 100). That poor woman isn't going to win many court cases with this in her background.

imagine showing up with her in court is your ace in your sleave to defend your self : )

[skaredshtles]

What a dipshit. I wonder how she feels about needing to show a passport to cross international borders or being carded to buy booze.

Well... Tatum is really close to "Tater" so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Kinnikinnick]

History of Vaccines

Cool stuff.



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[MagnificentUnicorn]

now i understand why she says: i need to be asked how to build a hospital , but why wasn`t i asked during the covid pandemic : ) i know why nobody asked her for her opinion LOL

She reminds me of the Infection Control nurse at my hospital, emphasis on Control. She wanders around and changes practices and protocols with things that she doesn’t understand at all. I’m not even sure what credentials she has. She’s the laughing stock of every employee and physician here. Some of the things she changes make no logical sense from a scientific POV at all.

I tend to discount or at least be very skeptical of anyone who claims they are an expert over and over.

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[KQ]

Well... Tatum is really close to "Tater" so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They call me Tater Salad!

[skaredshtles]

I had to look up FLCCC lolz:

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I can't help but notice they don't seem to advocate DeeBased sage advice of losing weight...but parasite treatments and vitamin suppliments!

I'm going to assume that acronym stands for Fucking Looney Cunt and Cock Convention?

Pardon my French.