To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[mcphee]

Texas Governor: "We've tried nothing and we're all outta ideas"

That's the sort of mindset that happens when you're always sitting down on the job. #riseandgrind

[old_newguy]

It is the right thing to do. However, at what point do we stop enabling this shit?!?

I mean try it. Some red state will just do some stupid shit like not send fire engines to a blue state because “how long are we going to enable these states to manage their lands this way” to score cheap political points.

The people dying because of COVID don’t deserve to get caught in some political pissing match because of their politics or misguided beliefs about COVID.

States that do have excess capacity do need to carefully think before sending their capacity elsewhere.

[old goat]

I'm sure California can spare Texas some body bags.
(In reality, while the politics in TX and FL certainly aren't helping, as Osterholm says this virus seems to have a mind of its own and the surges can't always be explained. Look at a map and you'll see relatively low covid rates in states that not too long ago were the worst in the nation. California, which has had some of the strongest anti-covid policies until recently had one of the worst surges at one point and may yet again. I certainly condemn the positions that FL and TX have taken on mandates, don't speak too soon because the wheel's still in spin.)

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Our family physician (small practice) has seen 10 Covid patients in the past week and all were vaccinated. Meanwhile US cases are just shy of their highest level.

Link to county health district stats….


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[riser4]

I mean try it. Some red state will just do some stupid shit like not send fire engines to a blue state because “how long are we going to enable these states to manage their lands this way” to score cheap political points.

The people dying because of COVID don’t deserve to get caught in some political pissing match because of their politics or misguided beliefs about COVID.

States that do have excess capacity do need to carefully think before sending their capacity elsewhere.

Except for the fire management part, which I don't follow, I hear ya. I'm not saying to actually withhold help. It just pushes my patience quite a bit. At some point one stops enabling an alcoholic which has nothing to do with scoring cheap political points.

[Toadman]

I mean try it. Some red state will just do some stupid shit like not send fire engines to a blue state because “how long are we going to enable these states to manage their lands this way” to score cheap political points.

The people dying because of COVID don’t deserve to get caught in some political pissing match because of their politics or misguided beliefs about COVID.

States that do have excess capacity do need to carefully think before sending their capacity elsewhere.

You get what the majority of people vote for.

[riser4]

Texas Governor: "We've tried nothing and we're all outta ideas"

Except he did more than try nothing. He made it worse than if he had simply gotten out of the way and done nothing.

[bennymac]

yeah doing nothing is one thing

selling anti-Fauci t-shirts is a bit different

[Salvelinusconfluentus]

I think we should pass a national law that if there is any shortage of medical supplies, equipment, providers, icu beds, ventilators, etc that the unvaccinated are the ones to go without unless they have a valid medical reason that makes it unsafe to get vaccinated. And by valid I mean something like an independent panel of doctors agree the person cannot be vaxxed. Not just the ability to find a crackpot to sign a form.

[old_newguy]

Except for the fire management part, which I don't follow, I hear ya. I'm not saying to actually withhold help. It just pushes my patience quite a bit. At some point one stops enabling an alcoholic which has nothing to do with scoring cheap political points.

Look, I’m trying to keep politics out of this but Trump made a bunch of noise about withholding help and resources from CA until they cleaned up the forest, blah, blah, blah.

Through interagency agreements states send fire resources across state lines to suppress wildfires.

Our politics is very tit for tat right now. So if Oregon for example said “we aren’t going to send COVID help to TX because don’t like how they are managing the situation”, the Gov. of TX could just say “ we aren’t sending fire engines to keep houses from burning to OR because we don’t like how they manage their forests”. It’s just tit for tat political jerk me off bullshit that doesn’t help the actual people who are being hurt. And it’s totally plausible in our current climate.

[old_newguy]

You get what the majority of people vote for.

There is of course the minority to think of and possibly swaying some opinions.

[Buster Highmen]

Not everyone in TX or FL is an antivaxer/antimaskite.

And if their <12 kids get sick they should be penalized because why again?

It's the same shit, this transactive tit4tat behavior that so many claim to be better than.

Bullshit.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Look, I’m trying to keep politics out of this but Trump made a bunch of noise about withholding help and resources from CA until they cleaned up the forest, blah, blah, blah.

Through interagency agreements states send fire resources across state lines to suppress wildfires.

Our politics is very tit for tat right now. So if Oregon for example said “we aren’t going to send COVID help to TX because don’t like how they are managing the situation”, the Gov. of TX could just say “ we aren’t sending fire engines to keep houses from burning to OR because we don’t like how they manage their forests”. It’s just tit for tat political jerk me off bullshit that doesn’t help the actual people who are being hurt. And it’s totally plausible in our current climate.

It's particularly frustrating with how Texas likes to isolate itself from taxes and contributing to the country at large...think of their electricity infrastructure. Rather than be tied into the national grids (east/west) they go it alone to avoid regulation, oversight, etc. Hence the issues they had last winter...now it's COVID, basically ignoring science because their leadership has some political points to score against Biden and/or the libs. Who's paying the price? the people that elected the texas government. The problem I have is that if you keep bailing out politicians like this for unforced errors will they ever get removed from office? That said, it's life or death situation so Oregon or whatever state should send the help. I remember Oregonians being worried about sending vents to NYC when it peaked at the start of the pandemic but it worked out fine. same should apply here.

There's also this, from Governor Abbott about not needing vents and being fully prepared: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21L374

Will he admit he got it wrong?

Not everyone in TX or FL is an antivaxer/antimaskite.

And if their <12 kids get sick they should be penalized because why again?

It's the same shit, this transactive tit4tat behavior that so many claim to be better than.

Bullshit.

Definitely agree, but it also enables bad behavior.

[Buster Highmen]

Don't blame the chickens for the state or politics of the henhouse.

Geez, people.

[MontuckyFried]

You mean the party that was significantly scaled back?

Lol. SO much CDC Covid compliance going on there:
https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status...73805296889856
^^Couldn't find that clip anywhere on YT for some reason. Video's from Erykah Badu's Instagram before she deleted it. WOOoooOOoPS!

[bennymac]

Texans and Floridians should not be punished.

But their leaders maybe need to be held accountable? Withholding aid would punish both.

But does the mismanagement of the leaders need to be ignored in order to render aid? I'd argue you could help the citizens while at the same time showing them how their elected officials helped get them in the situation where they needed this assistance. This goes for political leaders of all stripes - it's just that some leaders tend to be requesting aid while at the same time downplaying covid as a threat - that hypocrisy is blatant.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Lol. SO much CDC Covid compliance going on there:
https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status...73805296889856
^^
Couldn't find that clip anywhere on YT for some reason. Video's from Erykah Badu's Instagram before she deleted it. WOOoooOOoPS!

applying the same level of concern, what do you think about the current state of the pandemic in Texas?

[MontuckyFried]

applying the same level of concern, what do you think about the current state of the pandemic in Texas?

Meh. Don't believe everything you hear on CNN.

Also FYI, I have ZERO concern about Obama's party. Dude can rock on all he wants with his pals. Just hilarious when you see the list of attendees and how strict they want US to live our lives on all this stuff. Flying in many a private jet too (including Mr. Global Warming John Kerry). Rules for thee and not for me, and all that. Ya know?

[PB]

Texans and Floridians should not be punished.

But their leaders maybe need to be held accountable? Withholding aid would punish both.

But does the mismanagement of the leaders need to be ignored in order to render aid? I'd argue you could help the citizens while at the same time showing them how their elected officials helped get them in the situation where they needed this assistance. This goes for political leaders of all stripes - it's just that some leaders tend to be requesting aid while at the same time downplaying covid as a threat - that hypocrisy is blatant.

Good idea: " these emergency covid supplies and staff are given with our heartfelt hopes and prayers, none of which your state government servants are able to provide, signed your loving blue brethren"

[skaredshtles]

Meh. Don't believe everything you hear on CNN.

How about the AP?

https://apnews.com/article/business-...73d4414c42a522

[Sirshredalot]

Meh. Don't believe everything you hear on CNN.

Also FYI, I have ZERO concern about Obama's party. Dude can rock on all he wants with his pals. Just hilarious when you see the list of attendees and how strict they want US to live our lives on all this stuff. Flying in many a private jet too (including Mr. Global Warming John Kerry). Rules for thee and not for me, and all that. Ya know?

Thanks for the news update from TrumpJew2.

I'm okay withholding aid from "red" states. These states suckle endlessly off the teet of the productive parts of the country. At some point, they need to get educated, hold down some decent jobs, and learn to live on a budget.

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[bennymac]

Meh. Don't believe everything you hear on CNN.

Holy fuck the irony. And the ignorance.

CNN sucks. Everyone knows it. You can find lots of info on what's happening in Texas from less sensationalized news sources.

You think shit hitting the fan in Texas is just a made up CNN headline...you have willfully put your head in the sand. Are you doing that because you are scared or are you just anxious?

[GiBo]

I think he’s the greatest, but my dad says he doesn’t work hard enough on defense, and that he doesn’t really try - except during the playoffs.

The hell I don't. LISTEN KID. I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

I'm actually enjoy the lulz in this thread more than the real posts at this point. It's like 40 normal people arguing with 3 dumb shits.

[MultiVerse]

Meh. Don't believe everything you hear on CNN.

Gov. Abbott also asked Texas hospitals to delay nonessential procedures due to Covid patients stressing capacity. Which do you think is worse: vaccine mandates or rationing health care?

[skaredshtles]

Gov. Abbott also asked Texas hospitals to delay nonessential procedures due to Covid patients stressing capacity. Which do you think is worse: vaccine mandates or rationing health care?

Have they implemented... Death Panels yet?!?