To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[rod9301]

I could be wrong… but I haven’t heard of a “Texas variant” or a “Florida variant” but I have heard of the South Africa variant or the Delta variant. It kind of seems like the places that this virus is going to mutate is the 3rd world countries (granted some places in the Us aren’t far behind) where they don’t have nearly as good of access to healthcare or sanitation.

The virus doesn't care about how good the health care is, it will mutate everywhere, and the longer it takes to get everyone vaccinated, the more it will mutate. And eventually mutate where the existing vaccines will not be effective.

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[pureantigravity]

I mean sure, but historically that's been a pretty brutal version of protection.

Plus, it looks like we're coming up on about half a thousand years of vaccination in a very rough sense.

No pain no gain! LOL. Just kidding. You're right of course. We evolved to become smart enough to ... produce vaccines. We shouldn't knock natural immunity though. We're not talking Chicken Pox Parties. We're talking about whether it is absolutely necessary to also vaccinate people that have recovered from a natural infection.

For all we know it may be that 1 dose of Pfizer plus low exposure multiple times in as many years with a very low grade asymptomatic infection could be the magic bullet for the best worldwide immunity. We won't know for another 10 to 50 years. The mRNA vaccines might also develop to provide immune response to an even broader range of mutations thanks to super computing analyses.

[jono]

The one thing covid did is make people feel powerless en-mass. If they can control others then it makes them feel better

As the CCP, FSB et al have been proving, there is no surer way to control Americans (north or south, I expect) than to fill them with the fear that someone is trying to control them. Is there any limit to the stupid bullshit decisions people will hyper-rationalize to avoid being controlled?

No, seriously, if you know what the limit is I want to hear it.

[yeahman]

Are you trolling? I mean, it’s impossible to consume credible media these days without having the explanation of why you’re wrong laid out in detail.

I’m beginning to think you don’t get your info from credible media.

Pretty sure he's going to tell you there's no such thing as credible media, and he "does his own research."

[pureantigravity]

As the CCP, FSB et al have been proving, there is no surer way to control Americans (north or south, I expect) than to fill them with the fear that someone is trying to control them. Is there any limit to the stupid bullshit decisions people will hyper-rationalize to avoid being controlled?

No, seriously, if you know what the limit is I want to hear it.

Well obviously it isn't working based on the number of people that have gotten vaccinated. You and your ilk over der are still more protected than us Eskimos with 1 dose. We just use the covid as an excuse to keep out American politics But seriously, everyone is hyper-rationalizing everything because that's what people do when in a state of hyper vigilance and hyper awareness. It is only natural. PTSD Mushroom clinics are gonna moon when this all ends! People be trippin' everywhere in hippie dresses singing kumbaya in a year because we need to find love again. Wait for it.

[RoooR]

Natural immunity has existed as the de facto form of protection for millions of years.
Vaccines have not been tested over thousands of years of evolution.
According to Lindy's Law and Probability Theory, vaccine technology will recede to Natural Immunity as the best form of protection in another 100 years.
It's backed my math and lots of curves on a graph. LOL.

The interesting stuff for science isn't that the vax worked. The interesting stuff will come out of analyzing the outliers.
Stuff like the heart issues and autoimmune responses are probably the events that will lead to the most promising medical discoveries of our time.
The unexpected is what is expected to be the interesting part going forwards.

You're a troll right? What person in their right mind would want to go back to a time when pandemics were regular and devastating? COVID was a fucking cold compared to the shit people used to deal with on the regular.

[riser4]

To be honest, the more comments I read, the more I *strongly* am considering becoming a nihilist.

Nihilists! Fuck me! I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

[Ted Striker]

I just finished watching Biden's speech. If that were a drinking game with vaccine or vaccinated being the trigger word, I'm pretty sure I'd be unconscious now.

[pureantigravity]

You're a troll right? What person in their right mind would want to go back to a time when pandemics were regular and devastating? COVID was a fucking cold compared to the shit people used to deal with on the regular.

Let no man think his field of study or expertise is or was the magic bullet.

First, please read the posts after I made my post. Second, pandemics were not regular but they were devastating and usually because (1) the overall life expectancy of people was low, (2) there were many other health issues to deal with, and (3) the risk succumbing to a secondary infection was high, and most importantly, because your momma didn't have as much acquired wisdom.**

Books have as much to do with life expectancy and longevity as vaccines. Probably more. Thank Guttenberg for your descendants and their good health not the modern medical profession. Books are what helped pass down the general knowledge leading to an overall upgrade in the health of all civilizations.

I wasn't around in the time of leprosy but that was something that was cured mainly with proper hygiene. Even Islamic and Jewish laws on foods and preparations played a big role in improving life on earth.

The George Forman grill has ushered in an era of obesity and heart disease of which COVID takes full advantage of.

edit: ** and also because the modern economic welfare state didn't exist and wasn't there to provide handouts so that people could isolate at home and rely on cheap foods and goods provided by the most vulnerable and neglected working classes in other less fortunate countries.

[Ted Striker]

Forget lumber tariffs, can we enact a word tariff?

[pureantigravity]

What skin in the game do pharma company execs and government officials have if their potion turns out to have serious side effects in 5 to 10 years? Not asking about the vaccine. Just asking about their accountability to the results once all the chickens have hatched.

[jono]

Well obviously it isn't working based on the number of people that have gotten vaccinated.

It's working well enough. It's a PR campaign to convince the third world that since Americans haven't eradicated the disease they shouldn't trust those mRNA vaccines. Sinovac is more natural. Sputnik doesn't let Bill Gates track you. Trust the CCP, they only want to bring you health, roads, cheap goods and deep holes. As long as there are enough morons around to avoid eradication the strategy will have legs. That people will keep dying who could have lived is just collateral damage. Whose hands are clean in the misinformation wars?

[m2711c]

Forget lumber tariffs, can we enact a word tariff?

yes +1

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Mississippi Delta variant.

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[Kinnikinnick]

What skin in the game do pharma company execs and government officials have if their potion turns out to have serious side effects in 5 to 10 years? Not asking about the vaccine. Just asking about their accountability to the results once all the chickens have hatched.

Bullshit “what-ifs” from a bunch of intellectual degenerates are exactly that, bullshit.

Shut your pie hole and be a good citizen instead this bullshit.


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[bobz]

[rambling word salad defending previous statements about the superiority of natural immunity versus vaccines, as if vaccines don't rely on natural immune response to begin with]

Two words: Black Plague. Yeah, some picnic that was; something like half of a continent's entire population wiped out. We have it so rough needing to show up for a 10-minute appointment and being lethargic and a bit headachy for a day afterwards.

[m2711c]

the pureantigravity pie hole spewing more "what-ifs".....

[Buzzworthy]

What is it with skiers and the virus/shot?
The sheer amount of dumbfucks that ski for a living on the internet that I’m “friends” with that don’t follow any science is astonishing.
Education is important folks.

[The AD]

Hate to break it to ya, Buzz, but it's people in general. Skiers are probably no better or worse.

[Todd Zander]

What skin in the game do pharma company execs and government officials have if their potion turns out to have serious side effects in 5 to 10 years?

Well for starters, probably their ability to survive given all the liberals are dead and the gun toting polite society types are running the world sans government.

Tl:dr their actual skin

[XXX-er]

What is it with skiers and the virus/shot?
The sheer amount of dumbfucks that ski for a living on the internet that I’m “friends” with that don’t follow any science is astonishing.
Education is important folks.

You kinda think that when you read some of the dumb fukcs who post but on the whole this bunch are more liberal/ less stupid than a lot of people

[KQ]

Two words: Black Plague. Yeah, some picnic that was; something like half of a continent's entire population wiped out. We have it so rough needing to show up for a 10-minute appointment and being lethargic and a bit headachy for a day afterwards.

I find this little historical vaccine tidbit facinating:

Smallpox vaccination in napoleonic Italy (1800-1814)

[pureantigravity]

I find this little historical vaccine tidbit facinating:

Smallpox vaccination in napoleonic Italy (1800-1814)

Cool. Love it. Cowpox is the paper to Smallpox's rock. Knowledge spread by the book in 1798. Old wives tales in print saved the day

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In 1798, after testing his discovery on more people, Jenner published his findings in a booklet, An Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of variolae vaccinae, a Disease Discovered in some of the Western Counties of England, Particularly in Gloucestershire, and Known by the Name of Cowpox. In it he concluded that “Cowpox protects the human constitution from the infection of smallpox.”

Jenner’s book was soon translated into several languages, and physicians began performing vaccination throughout Europe.
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I did a google search and found a claim that the Chinese practiced a form of Smallpox inoculation even earlier in the 1500s.

"In The Life and Death of Smallpox, note that in the late 1600s Emperor K'ang Hsi, who had survived smallpox as a child, had his children inoculated. That method involved grinding up smallpox scabs and blowing the matter into nostril. Inoculation may also have been practiced by scratching matter from a smallpox sore into the skin. It is difficult to pinpoint when the practice began, as some sources claim dates as early as 200 BCE."

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...se-inoculation

[subtle plague]

Nihilists! Fuck me! I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

You're late to the party.

[Kinnikinnick]

Cool. Love it. Cowpox is the paper to Smallpox's rock. Knowledge spread by the book in 1798. Old wives tales in print saved the day

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In 1798, after testing his discovery on more people, Jenner published his findings in a booklet, An Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of variolae vaccinae, a Disease Discovered in some of the Western Counties of England, Particularly in Gloucestershire, and Known by the Name of Cowpox. In it he concluded that “Cowpox protects the human constitution from the infection of smallpox.”

Jenner’s book was soon translated into several languages, and physicians began performing vaccination throughout Europe.
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I did a google search and found a claim that the Chinese practiced a form of Smallpox inoculation even earlier in the 1500s.

"In The Life and Death of Smallpox, note that in the late 1600s Emperor K'ang Hsi, who had survived smallpox as a child, had his children inoculated. That method involved grinding up smallpox scabs and blowing the matter into nostril. Inoculation may also have been practiced by scratching matter from a smallpox sore into the skin. It is difficult to pinpoint when the practice began, as some sources claim dates as early as 200 BCE."

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...se-inoculation

Yeah but what if they ultimately find that cowpox vax actually has some negative impact?? People should have avoided this unproven technology until the non experts were convinced!!!!!


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