To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[KQ]

I think it shows that if you know pureantigravity, you're gonna have adverse reactions after the vaccine.

LOL!!

[mtuhockey33]

Right, it's the people who aren't cautious and aren't vaccinated that scare me.

why do these people scare you? If you’re vaccinated, you don’t have anything to worry about; right? It’s the whole reason why the country is (slowly) opening up and why people with vaccines are (again, slowly) being allowed to travel and why they don’t have to wear masks in social settings… you’re protected but the unvaccinated aren’t. The only people they’re putting at risk are themselves.

[The AD]

why do these people scare you? If you’re vaccinated, you don’t have anything to worry about; right? It’s the whole reason why the country is (slowly) opening up and why people with vaccines are (again, slowly) being allowed to travel and why they don’t have to wear masks in social settings… you’re protected but the unvaccinated aren’t. The only people they’re putting at risk are themselves.

Wrong, by continuing to spread the disease they are increasing the likelihood of dangerous mutations that could be more lethal or more contagious/vaccine resistant.

[skaredshtles]

Wrong, by continuing to spread the disease they are increasing the likelihood of dangerous mutations that could be more lethal or more contagious/vaccine resistant.

This. If those dumb motherfuckers (the anti-vax dicks) spread this shit all around themselves and cook up a variant that the vaccinations are *not* effective against, I'm gonna be PISSED.

[ex-powderbroker]

the vaccines are also not universally effective (both by manufacturer and within different age groups), so it is to the detriment of ‘getting back to normal’ as well as putting the more immunocompromised at risk.

thankfully not everyone has a selfish attitude and can see the forrest beyond the ME.

[XXX-er]

this x2 ^^ the variants

and the reason the USA is openning up is money

[mtuhockey33]

This. If those dumb motherfuckers (the anti-vax dicks) spread this shit all around themselves and cook up a variant that the vaccinations are *not* effective against, I'm gonna be PISSED.

I could be wrong… but I haven’t heard of a “Texas variant” or a “Florida variant” but I have heard of the South Africa variant or the Delta variant. It kind of seems like the places that this virus is going to mutate is the 3rd world countries (granted some places in the Us aren’t far behind) where they don’t have nearly as good of access to healthcare or sanitation.

[ex-powderbroker]

Mississippi Delta variant.

[skaredshtles]

I could be wrong… but I haven’t heard of a “Texas variant” or a “Florida variant” but I have heard of the South Africa variant or the Delta variant. It kind of seems like the places that this virus is going to mutate is the 3rd world countries (granted some places in the Us aren’t far behind) where they don’t have nearly as good of access to healthcare or sanitation.

Yes - it's likely to mutate in *any* unvaccinated population. But just because it's "going to mutate in 3rd world countries" is a fucking MORONIC reason to not get vaccinated here.

I mean - that's kinda like throwing up your hands and lamenting "there's nothing we can do" despite the fact that there IS something we can do.

[The AD]

I could be wrong…

Yes, you're wrong. Mutation is purely random.

[XXX-er]

I could be wrong… but I haven’t heard of a “Texas variant” or a “Florida variant” but I have heard of the South Africa variant or the Delta variant. It kind of seems like the places that this virus is going to mutate is the 3rd world countries (granted some places in the Us aren’t far behind) where they don’t have nearly as good of access to healthcare or sanitation.

how do you think covid originally made it out of China if that is in fact where it started ?

By very nice people with lotsa money to fly around the world to meet other very nice people with lotsa money to fly around the world

if you think you are immune you better check it more carefully cuz the next one might kill you

also consider the more covid isnt dealt with the more it affects the world re-openning, your job, you traveling

its just you refusing to take your meds and not getting better

[pureantigravity]

I think it shows that if you know pureantigravity, you're gonna have adverse reactions after the vaccine.

Ha ha ha haaaa.

[Jacques Strap]

Unfortunately, some people are being more cautious about getting vaccinated than they are about getting and spreading Covid.

Yeah, I agree completely. I was just turning Pure(anti)Gravity's phrase against him.

I think it shows that if you know pureantigravity, you're gonna have adverse reactions after the vaccine.

lol. I yield back the balance of my time to funkendrenchman.

[pureantigravity]

why do these people scare you? If you’re vaccinated, you don’t have anything to worry about; right? It’s the whole reason why the country is (slowly) opening up and why people with vaccines are (again, slowly) being allowed to travel and why they don’t have to wear masks in social settings… you’re protected but the unvaccinated aren’t. The only people they’re putting at risk are themselves.

The one thing covid did is make people feel powerless en-mass. If they can control others then it makes them feel better. OMG everyone is a variant factory. LOL. Get a grip!

[KQ]

Wrong, by continuing to spread the disease they are increasing the likelihood of dangerous mutations that could be more lethal or more contagious/vaccine resistant.

News here reported on a local veteran fully vaxxed since Feb caught Covid from an unvaxxed friend.

[pureantigravity]

Being vaxxed aint gonna do anyone much good if you look and live like one of the Trailer Park Boys.

[Core Shot]

News here reported on a local veteran fully vaxxed since Feb caught Covid from an unvaxxed friend.

Aaaand so the vaxed veteran can’t pass it on?

Can’t get covid from a vaxed friend? Grinder here I cum.

[The AD]

OMG everyone is a variant factory. LOL. Get a grip!

The thing is everyone who gets the virus is a potential variant factory.

Seems like some people here weren't paying much attention in biology class. Charles Darwin is rolling in his grave.

[skaredshtles]

To be honest, the more comments I read, the more I *strongly* am considering becoming a nihilist.

[pureantigravity]

The thing is everyone who gets the virus is a potential variant factory.

Seems like some people here weren't paying much attention in biology class. Charles Darwin is rolling in his grave.

Natural immunity has existed as the de facto form of protection for millions of years.
Vaccines have not been tested over thousands of years of evolution.
According to Lindy's Law and Probability Theory, vaccine technology will recede to Natural Immunity as the best form of protection in another 100 years.
It's backed my math and lots of curves on a graph. LOL.

The interesting stuff for science isn't that the vax worked. The interesting stuff will come out of analyzing the outliers.
Stuff like the heart issues and autoimmune responses are probably the events that will lead to the most promising medical discoveries of our time.
The unexpected is what is expected to be the interesting part going forwards.

[frorider]

you’re protected but the unvaccinated aren’t. The only people they’re putting at risk are themselves.

Are you trolling? I mean, it’s impossible to consume credible media these days without having the explanation of why you’re wrong laid out in detail.

I’m beginning to think you don’t get your info from credible media.

[The AD]

Natural immunity has existed as the de facto form of protection for millions of years.
Vaccines have not been tested over thousands of years of evolution.
According to Lindy's Law and Probability Theory, vaccine technology will recede to Natural Immunity as the best form of protection in another 100 years.
It's backed my math and lots of curves on a graph. LOL.

And what does any of this have to do with virus mutations?

[subtle plague]

To be honest, the more comments I read, the more I *strongly* am considering becoming a nihilist.

Are you sure? You might want to become a nazi instead? I mean at least they had an Ethos......

https://youtu.be/b_29yvYpf4w

[abraham]

Natural immunity has existed as the de facto form of protection for millions of years.
Vaccines have not been tested over thousands of years of evolution.

I mean sure, but historically that's been a pretty brutal version of protection.

Plus, it looks like we're coming up on about half a thousand years of vaccination in a very rough sense.

The following are notable events in the Timeline of immunology:

1549 – The earliest account of inoculation of smallpox (variolation) occurs in Wan Quan's (1499–1582) Douzhen Xinfa (痘疹心法).[1]

[pureantigravity]

And what does any of this have to do with virus mutations?

I'm still working on it. Give me some time.

In other news, wife got her 2nd dose booking notification. I didn't get mine. We called and they say they have no record of my 1st even though I got it at the same time. We will all get it sorted out. It will take extra weeks for them to fix my records. The whole vaccine passport idea is going to be a fiasco if they can't keep track!

Oh yes. Natural infection produces durable and long lasting protection against similar viruses (broad and long-lived). Vaccines for influenza (and maybe sars) are not as effective as other vaccines and they do not produce wide-range immunity or last as long. hence why booster shots are needed. Furthermore, the response to a vaccine may me more/less effective when the virus enters by different sites (deep lung vs throat/nasal) etc..

This is a good review of the durability and agility (future infection by similar viruses) of immune response to natural infection vs. vaccination.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-019-0143-6

"As discussed above, natural infection with influenza viruses can induce long-lived immune responses that potentially provide lifelong protection against specific virus strains. It has been reported that the antibody response to vaccination is much more short-lived and that vaccine effectiveness and antibody titres can wane even within a season"


At the very least, I think it is fair to say that the jury is out on what produces the most durable immune responses. The costs to our health care system and personal health costs aside - one may be better, or both may be best, or both may be limited depending on the virus.

And remember, like HIV, it isn't the virus that kills. It is all the other sicknesses the person gets that they are unable to ward off at the same time. Prevent them and the person also stands a much greater chance of recovery. Heart disease and diabetes and lifestyle caused cancers are bigger issues for the nations.