Police Behaving Badly

[Danno]

I'm not Highangle, SVS, MB or whoever TBS is saying I am. M series jong, long time listener, first time caller.

You keep saying this, and yet everyone knows it's a lie; not sure who you think is buying it. Benny may be confused about who you are, but you're not really fooling anyone with this shtick.

[Benny Profane]

You keep saying this, and yet everyone knows it's a lie; not sure who you think is buying it. Benny may be confused about who you are, but you're not really fooling anyone with this shtick.

Says someone with the actual means to identify and/or shut him down.

[jono]

...someone with the actual means to... shut him down.

A little rusty

[Benny Profane]

I think you're poking me.

[Core Shot]

I think you're poking me.

You like to get poked so much I’m calling you Bathhouse Benny

[mfcf13]

Says someone with the actual means to identify and/or shut him down.

"Mods! Mods!!!" Is this like the time you got upset that your anti-semitic remark got deleted? And no, I'm not the ml guy.

Btw, you still haven't replied to MB's posts even though you were arguing adamantly about it further upthread. Wimpy.

[neufox47]

Ah, so, they taught you in Sociology class that money for police departments falls from the sky? So, maybe, you were telling the state legislators and Senator that COLA applied to public pensions is cool, no whoop, it's not from the "general fund"? No wonder my taxes are so high. Palm, meet forehead.

You wouldn't happen to have a side gig alias, would you?

Basically no one who studies this from a sociology or economics perspective agrees with you Benny. The cops don’t care how much their misconduct costs the city because it doesn’t impact them directly in any significant way.

[Benny Profane]

I don't know. Seems to be a breaking point with Chauvin. That trial had a lot of cops disrespecting that blue line.

Besides, my whole point is that money doesn't fall from the sky, although Chairman Powell, Tech CEOs, and Crypto moguls may differ. Eventually, the bill comes due.

[old_newguy]

I don't know. Seems to be a breaking point with Chauvin. That trial had a lot of cops disrespecting that blue line.

Besides, my whole point is that money doesn't fall from the sky, although Chairman Powell, Tech CEOs, and Crypto moguls may differ. Eventually, the bill comes due.

Haha, you think they were disrespecting it versus defending it. It hasn’t moved, Chauvin just went over the line that allows them to get away with murder by staying in the grey zone so they have to come out and say it was wrong. Note that very few cops have anything to say about Breonna Taylor or Castile or countless other examples.

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[Benny Profane]

Earlier this week a decent group of police chiefs came out with a joint statement commending the verdict and, of course, the process behind it.

[Hopeless Sinner]

While some or many cops are bad actors they are protected/enabled by DA's which are elected positions. If the DA's had done their job this situation wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is; they are culpable for tolerating the cops worst tendencies and failing to insure police accountability. And it's not just violence on innocent people it runs through and through criminal cases that are built on lies and violation of civil rights.

[old goat]

Electing more AG's like Keith Ellison would be a start. (He gave a good interview on 60 minutes tonight.)

In the interest of humanity we need to send more killer cops to jail so they can have a cell block for themselves and not have to be kept in solitary.

[pureantigravity]

Electing more AG's like Keith Ellison would be a start. (He gave a good interview on 60 minutes tonight.)

In the interest of humanity we need to send more killer cops to jail so they can have a cell block for themselves and not have to be kept in solitary.

Perhaps they can create a "College of Policing" that all cops belong to, like doctors and other professionals. The classes can be taught by ex-cops from jail via zoom with a strong focus on "what not to do". And make it a few years of education instead of the current 4 - 5 months required to get a badge and carry a gun.

[XXX-er]

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/cadet-training

all the rcmp go thru this ^^ training program, yeah you get some assholes but at least those assholes have the same training so you know what you are dealing with

I had an RCMP pull me over give me 700$ worht of tickets cuz i fucked up( expired insurance) , buddy gives me a ride to the Insurance office and then a ride back to my car during which when he said " I have no idea if you might get a reduced fine by showing up in court and pleading to the judge" as he nodded his head up and down

the judge cut the ticket mostly in half , the cop come out and shook my hand ... good guy

ever since i have had a new appreciation for the job they do

[pureantigravity]

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/cadet-training

all the rcmp go thru this ^^ training program, yeah you get some assholes but at least those assholes are the same assholes

I had an RCMP pull me over give me 700$ worht of tickets cuz i fucked up, buddy givese a ride to the Insurance office and then a ride back to my car during which when he said " I have no idea if you might get a reduced fine by showing up in court and pleading to the judge" as he nodded his head up and down

the judge cut the ticket mostly in half , the cop come out and shook my hand ... good guy

ever since i have had a new appreciation for the job they do

Wow. Lucky day! Half off isn't bad on a fine like that.

I've met some great ones too (OK - 1 great one and a few OK ones). I had one be a huge asshole one time. Completely un-called for and utter asshole abusing authority. I bitched about it to the community liaison and a week later the offending badge wearer called me. Apologized profusely avec understandable excuses. I told him I'm touched that he manned-up and made a personal call. Still, there are far too many that get into that profession without the proper training to handle both the usual stuff and the strange stuff. I mean, they train people for years to be in professions and all you need is 26 weeks to be in the RCMP with the powers that go along with that.

[mfcf13]

I don't know. Seems to be a breaking point with Chauvin. That trial had a lot of cops disrespecting that blue line.

Besides, my whole point is that money doesn't fall from the sky, although Chairman Powell, Tech CEOs, and Crypto moguls may differ. Eventually, the bill comes due.

I'm not a finance/bitcoin dentist so I can't speak to the big tech/crypto part of your post. But in terms of money falling from the sky, for police departments, yes, that has essentially been the case. Read MB's posts. For instance in Boston, there was a line item of $1.3 million for civilian suits for misconduct, but in the 3 years of the study, the police department was, on a yearly average, liable for 3x that amount (basically $4 million). The department did not pay that massive cost overrun of (yearly average of $2.7 million), instead it came out of the general fund. There was zero financial incentive for the Boston police chief to weed out bad cops and seek to lower potential risk of lawsuit.

Eliminating qualified immunity might make individual cops seek to lower their potential individual risk (although sociopath cops like Chauvin don't give a fuck). But many argue that there should be organizational, and not just individual, incentives ( i.e., civilian lawsuits come out of police department budget) to improve police behavior. MB's posts made a strong case for that approach.

Also, I'm not sure you were watching "decent police chiefs". Maybe just "PR concerned police chiefs".

[mfcf13]

QuestLove, Malik B, Bilal (or in BennySpeak "some negro musicians") nailed it with this song. With lines like "Looking for Justice, but it's just us", "When the protector is the predator". Awesome brass band intro, or scrub to 4:30 mark for the heart of the performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB4oFu4BtQ8

[liv2ski]

Hmmmm, I wonder???

[Core Shot]

Hmmmm, I wonder???

Not to mention they can legally not hire you if you score to high on the exam. They want stupider cops on purpose.

[wooley12]

In my experience the young cops are usually worse than the old ones

I'm speaking of brand spanking new 2020 and, not 3-5 years into the culture. Washington has been revamping the Academy training after the SPD was put under a few years of federal oversite.

Besides being a news junkie, I recently had a nice chat with an off duty Seattle suburb cop who trained new hires and he was stoked seeing the new ideas in policing that the new hires fresh out of the academy had learned. When I spoke about the SPD he shook his head with a confused look and said "I don't now what's going on in that city".

My sense is that the police training here is shifting. An ex cop told me that he thought the underlying problem was the shift from a cop being a Peace Keeper to a cop being a Law Enforcer.

[concretejungle]

Bump because it seems they straight up executed Andrew Brown. Fuck the fucking police. Can they attempt to go 12 hours (I used to say a day but that seems to be an unobtainable goal) without killing someone?

[dunfree]

Whats next? Beating up an 80# septuagenarian dementia patient and chuckling with glee?
https://reason.com/2021/04/26/colora...ce=parsely-api

[neufox47]

Bump because it seems they straight up executed Andrew Brown. Fuck the fucking police. Can they attempt to go 12 hours (I used to say a day but that seems to be an unobtainable goal) without killing someone?

Arrested on drug charges. End the war on drugs.

[concretejungle]

JFHC on a cross.

https://www.cleveland.com/court-just...VS-PwvOotUYUN8

[old_newguy]

JFHC on a cross.

https://www.cleveland.com/court-just...VS-PwvOotUYUN8

But “policing is changing”, “their culture is changing”.