Police Behaving Badly

[Benny Profane]

It’s hilarious to see this M-JONG live in Benny’s head, rent free.

Oh, it's ok, I'm cool. I just like poking the moron with a stick.

[mfcf13]

Ah, so, they taught you in Sociology class that money for police departments falls from the sky? So, maybe, you were telling the state legislators and Senator that COLA applied to public pensions is cool, no whoop, it's not from the "general fund"? No wonder my taxes are so high. Palm, meet forehead.

You wouldn't happen to have a side gig alias, would you?

The conversation is about financial burden of civilian suits for police misconduct falling on the municipality's general funds budget instead of on the police department budget. It's not about COLA's on the pension fund. Perhaps you'd want to reply to MB's post with a relevant response rather than "but what about the COLA's????" And no I am not MB, HighAngle, Ted Cruz or SVS. Just an M series Jong, "long time listener, first time caller". It's funny how you post stuff on here and then say "it's private". BTW, how much is your ex-wife's house worth these days?

[Benny Profane]

Haha. poked.

[old goat]

This particular pissing match should have ended pages ago.

[XXX-er]

Then he’s spoiling for a fight he just can’t figure out who the fuck he’s fighting.

[mfcf13]

Haha. poked.

I'm guessing it's about the only poking you are doing these days (not counting your Hillary sex doll).

[Core Shot]

I'm guessing it's about the only poking you are doing these days (not counting your Hillary sex doll).

Zingo

[wooley12]

I think anyone who has an alias to be unknown and uses it to insult a mag who is know IRL is an asshole at best. Jong. So how about you be a big boy and stay on topic. Take your shit to polyass.

Change the subject. As a white guy, with white privilege, in over 50 years 've had about 15-20 interactions with police. The only time I got slammed was when I got lippy with the cop. Adjusted for inflation $900 dollar fine for being in the park after hours to make out with my lady. OTOH in a similar situation I let the lady speak and when I started the car to go the cop came back and said we didn't have to leave.

What's your white privilege story?

[plugboots]

I’m alive?

[Benny Profane]

I think anyone who has an alias to be unknown and uses it to insult a mag who is know IRL is an asshole at best. Jong. So how about you be a big boy and stay on topic. Take your shit to polyass.

Change the subject. As a white guy, with white privilege, in over 50 years 've had about 15-20 interactions with police. The only time I got slammed was when I got lippy with the cop. Adjusted for inflation $900 dollar fine for being in the park after hours to make out with my lady. OTOH in a similar situation I let the lady speak and when I started the car to go the cop came back and said we didn't have to leave.

What's your white privilege story?

Hitchhiking on the Garden State Parkway in, oh, about 1977, with a big chunk of hash in my backpack "hidden" in a sneaker. I mean, I was so stupid I was ON the parkway, not an entrance. Cop calmly drives up, goes into my pack, immediately goes for the sneaker, finds hash, puts me in car, drives to trooper barracks a mile away. I am not under arrest, minimal talk, I'm thinking, oh fucking shit, you idiot. Get to barracks, he leaves me in car, not locked, no handcuffs. Goes into barracks, comes out maybe five minutes later, walking to car he says to another trooper, very loudly, Hey, Jack, you should see the piece of hash I just scored! Tells me he's letting me go, don't be so stupid again. Yes sir, I am outta there.

That hash was for shit, anyway. He probably would have charged me after smoking it.

[powdrhound]

It's not private if I'm being insulted in public, dude.

Give it a rest.

[Hopeless Sinner]

I think anyone who has an alias to be unknown and uses it to insult a mag who is know IRL is an asshole at best. Jong. So how about you be a big boy and stay on topic. Take your shit to polyass.

Change the subject. As a white guy, with white privilege, in over 50 years 've had about 15-20 interactions with police. The only time I got slammed was when I got lippy with the cop. Adjusted for inflation $900 dollar fine for being in the park after hours to make out with my lady. OTOH in a similar situation I let the lady speak and when I started the car to go the cop came back and said we didn't have to leave.

What's your white privilege story?

You are very lucky. I have been denied fair treatment many times and have never once experienced the white privilege wrt cops. (and I've never been "lippy" in fact the cops have asked if I was an LEO during the convo)

[MarcusBrody]

If anyone would actually like to know how municipal budgets/police settlements work, here is a good article from the UCLA Law Review. You can access it for free, but it works better on a computer than mobile (at least for me).

Short version:
The only group really at risk for budget disruptions do misconduct settlements are small towns that can't cover the increase in liability payments. Go to page 1176 go see discussion/quotes of how functional police funding is affected by the settlements as things are set up now, even when money technically comes from the department.

Larger cities mostly pay from budgets independent of the police (58%) or all city agencies contribute to a central liability fund (23%). In only 16% of cases do agencies pay from their own budget. For the departments that are contributing something, many are just given a line item in their budget to pay for lawsuits (money which can't be used for other things if they don't much of the time).

The Boston Police Department is given an annual allocation for litigation payouts-an
average of about $1.3 million per year-but during the three years of my study,
lawsuits involving the Department cost, on average, three times that amount and
the city, not the Department, paid the remainder. 8

From 2012-2014, the Chicago Police Department was allocated, on average, about $16.5 million per year
for lawsuit payouts. During these three years, an annual average of over $52 million was paid in lawsuits involving the Chicago Police Department with the excess paid from city funds." 9

Law enforcement agencies that pay settlements and judgments from their budgets but pass along excess litigation costs appear to be as insulated from the financial impact of lawsuits as those law enforcement agencies that pay no litigation costs at all. When faced with large police payouts, these jurisdictions have been known to compromise other aspects of city or county services while preserving their law enforcement agency's budget. As one former attorney for the City
of Chicago reflected:
[When you had to budget more for [police] tort liability you had less to do lead poisoning screening for the poor children of Chicago. Wehad a terrible lead poisoning problem and there was a direct relationship between the two. Those kids were paying those tort judgments, not the police officers. 110

Note: this is from an article that is arguing against just taking the money for settlements from police budgets (though mostly just because the way it is done doesn't actually much affect how much money the police have in large municipalities.

[TBS]

Oh, it's ok, I'm cool. I just like poking the moron with a stick.

And he/she is poking you right back.
You realize you are arguing with a known troll? That was banned before?
Put them on functional ignore, or at least mental ignore.
At the very least don’t quote him/her, so I don’t have to read around it
TIA

[Benny Profane]

Sheesh. No fun.

[mfcf13]

I'm not Highangle, SVS, MB or whoever TBS is saying I am. M series jong, long time listener, first time caller.
Only known troll on this thread is Benny, who recently shit posted SVS after he was in any Avy and had injuries.


BTW (and back on thread topic) Benny I see you haven't replied to MB's posts. Seems like some solid evidence that police debts aren't experiencing significant financial impact from civilian suits. maybe you have some refuting evidence to offer?

[Benny Profane]

You see, you poked him.

[tetzen]

BTW (and back on thread topic) Benny I see you haven't replied to MB's posts. Seems like some solid evidence that police debts aren't experiencing significant financial impact from civilian suits. maybe you have some refuting evidence to offer?

That's a valid question.

[mfcf13]

You see, you poked him.

You seem obsessed with poking. For your own sake, I hope you get laid sometime in the next decade.

Were you going to reply to MB's posts?

MB (and others including Dr. Ray from Brookings) argue that police departments currently do not currently incur significant financial impact from civilian lawsuits for police misconduct. Changing that to place financial burden on the police departments might create more institutional accountability for the police departments. Waiting to hear your response. Or did you just come hear to post about corrupt LAPD Black/Hispanic cops (which is not in dispute, we have all seen Denzel and Dre in Training Day) on the same day of the Chauvin verdict? You're not an obfuscating deflector troll are you?

[Buster Highmen]

To be fair, Benny's not strictly a troll.

A troll has to have intent to obfuscate.

Benny can't help it; it's just a symptom of that common, undying and too often exerted need to be right, to have one's ego dominant, independent of the argument or supporting data.

[Benny Profane]

You poking me?

[XXX-er]

If was you at this point he should say no

[Bunion 2020]

Benny can't help it; it's just a symptom of that common, undying and too often exerted need to be right, to have one's ego dominant, independent of the argument or supporting data.

Hmmmm you joined in 2001 and have 23K posts Benny in 2003 has 2x that number.

Some people (Benny) need to ask themselves, is this post worth posting before they hit reply.

[Benny Profane]

Ha, I just did that.

[half-fast]

Played golf with a Seattle detective last week. Said he's retiring end of May. Nice guy, angary cop. SPD needs more to retire to let the culture shift happen.

In my experience the young cops are usually worse than the old ones