To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[MTT]

you just saw an update on this, I believe, because the SacBee just got all the emails and wrote a story on it. https://www.sacbee.com/news/investig...250167250.html

Thanks, What I was came from Moonshine Inc. I follow and get alerts from that source. Do you see what I mean though.

When reading the article, depending on your world view. You can read completely different things from it.

[Conundrum]

In WA, people have been getting forced to check their moral compass because the state has been iron-fisted in controlling what should be local decisions. As in altasnob's example, some with the vaccines not being fully utilized are working outside the guidelines to the extent they can and it's pushed the moral decisions onto the recipients. That's what's been wrong. The state should have left eligibility discretion to the local health officials so they could do a better job of filling available slots. This should not have been pushed onto the public to make a moral decision, like KQ was debating. Her issue was knowing that a slot taken by her was intended for someone more susceptible and outside the state mandates. In the meantime, WW county (for example) had a vaccine clinic on March 25 with over 1,000 empty slots. When asked, they indicated KQ couldn't have one of those slots because she didn't meet the state's criteria. That was wrong but WW officials couldn't override the state. Their hands were tied. Shitshow.

Totally agree. I was using my example of the doc calling me to come in even though I didn't qualify which I did. At the time, I said the same as you are saying. If there's spots, take them. It's the states fault for putting everyone in a weird position by either conducting shitty outreach to the eligible or not allowing folks to use empty spots. I sleep well at night.

[liv2ski]

Tried to register today. NO appointments available in San Diego County

[Mustonen]

Second poke this morning. Arm’s a little sore. I keep imagining symptoms, but nothing real yet.

[KQ]

The mRNA vaccines were 95% effective over the few months they were studied before being approved. One would expect that the failure rate would increase over time. The Washington cases were far less than 5% of people vaccinated, but one would also expect more cases to appear in vaccinated people over time. That there were hospitalizations and deaths is more disconcerting. It would be good to know if cases were associated with a particular lot or lots or particular vaccination sites--one could easily imagine a breakdown in cold handling.

Meanwhile 15M J and J doses discarded because the factory mixed up ingredients between J and J and AZ vaccines. Seems to me they ought to run a trial with the mixed up vaccine. Might work better than the original.

It was the hospitalizations and death that startled me when I heard the story on the local news last night. I was just thinking to myself "well... they never said it was 100% effective re: catching Covid just 100% effective to keep you out of the hospital and not kill you" when they mentioned those very things were happening. Ugh.

OG - couldn't this also be the variants now factoring into the equation?

Guess it serves as a good reminder that we need to keep wearing masks and do our SD thing even after we are jabbed esp. if you are older.

[MTT]

It was the hospitalizations and death that startled me when I heard the story on the local news last night. I was just thinking to myself "well... they never said it was 100% effective re: catching Covid just 100% effective to keep you out of the hospital and not kill you" when they mentioned those very things were happening. Ugh.

OG - couldn't this also be the variants now factoring into the equation?

Guess it serves as a good reminder that we need to keep wearing masks and do our SD thing even after we are jabbed esp. if you are older.

I think Washing your hands and not touching your face - goes further than pretty much anything else.

[MultiVerse]

I think Washing your hands and not touching your face - goes further than pretty much anything else.

There are very few documented real world cases of fomite transmission, that is becoming infected after touching a contaminated surface. Almost all documented cases caused by airborne transmission. Masks > washing hands.




WRT the California sheriff falsely attributing a death to a vaccination, it's a case of the predicted false side effects :

We’re talking about treating very, very large populations, which means that you’re going to see the usual run of mortality and morbidity that you see across large samples. Specifically, if you take 10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000 heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die and get sick anyway.

But if you took those ten million people and gave them a new vaccine instead, there’s a real danger that those heart attacks, cancer diagnoses, and deaths will be attributed to the vaccine. I mean, if you reach a large enough population, you are literally going to have cases where someone gets the vaccine and drops dead the next day (just as they would have if they *didn’t* get the vaccine). It could prove difficult to convince that person’s friends and relatives of that lack of connection, though. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is one of the most powerful fallacies of human logic, and we’re not going to get rid of it any time soon. Especially when it comes to vaccines. The best we can do, I think, is to try to get the word out in advance. Let people know that such things are going to happen, because people get sick and die constantly in this world. The key will be whether they are getting sick or dying at a noticeably higher rate once they have been vaccinated.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipelin...e-side-effects

[HappyCamper]

Did you go to prepmod.doh.wa.gov?

If you don't put down the zip code or mileage, you'll get open appointments from E. Washington today and tomorrow. Not many close to Seattle - but hit refresh because sometimes they add appointments during the day.

I had an easier time getting Coachella tickets in 2011 than getting a vaccine appointment in Seattle these past two days... super frustrating. I’m in this group that became eligible yesterday. I selfishly really want to book an appointment before the hordes become eligible in two weeks...


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[Ted Striker]

Guess it serves as a good reminder that we need to keep wearing masks and do our SD thing even after we are jabbed esp. if you are older.

And yet around here the older vaccinated are acting like that SNL bit posted upthread.

I've got to help my parents' 70+ neighbor cut some branches off a big tree (somehow I feel it will be me climbing the tree with a chainsaw, and him relaxing in a folding chair, sipping a silver bullet and pointing). So when I was talking to him, he kept getting closer and I kept moving away. After chasing me once around the tree he proclaimed, "it's ok, I've had my shots!"

[KQ]

Did you go to prepmod.doh.wa.gov?

If you don't put down the zip code or mileage, you'll get open appointments from E. Washington today and tomorrow. Not many close to Seattle - but hit refresh because sometimes they add appointments during the day.

Shoot - you're golden if you live in Clinton and want a jab

[Toadman]

I think Washing your hands and not touching your face - goes further than pretty much anything else.

Don't forget not inhaling. This is an airborne virus, and not inhaling is probably the best thing you can do to avoid this dreaded virus. But if you have to inhale, then wearing a mask is the 2nd best option.

Wondering if people getting infected after the 2nd shot might be due to one of the shots being part of a bad or spoiled batch? Any way to test for that?

[Labcabin]

I received my first shot yesterday. Moderna. My arm was a bit sore through the night but that has already passed. I had a bit of a headache. That has also passed. I'm also not sure if the headache was induced from stiff neck and shoulder muscles, which is also a common problem for me. I had a few small waves of feeling not so great through the evening. They would last three of four minutes, and then be gone only to return a little bit later. 24 hours has now passed. I feel pretty normal, other than not having a great nights sleep. We will see what the second shot brings.

[Buster Highmen]

Not sure whether this belongs here or in the 'things that amuse you' thread, but I do find it humorous when old hippies question the risk of covid vaccines in light of all the FDA approved drugs consumed 40 years ago.

[smmokan]

I wish the state and local governments would be a little more forward-thinking with the signup process than just letting/making people hunt for open appointments and get frustrated along the way. People should go to a central website and register, and when you do that it automagically assigns you an appointment to get your shot(s). Those that don't want to be assigned a day/time can then hunt for openings if they wanted to.

[Benny Profane]

Just you wait.
It's the second shot that installs the software.

And those annual booster shots are operating system updates.

[RootSkier]

Not sure whether this belongs here or in the 'things that amuse you' thread, but I do find it humorous when old hippies question the risk of covid vaccines in light of all the FDA approved drugs consumed 40 years ago.

Exactly. If you ever took any pills or powders acquired from the lot or a friend at a Grateful Dead/Phish show, you can sit right down with any concerns you might have about what's "in" the vaccine.

[Benny Profane]

I'm one week out from the second Pfizer shot. First made me feel funky for 12 hours, second, nothing.

[KQ]

And those annual booster shots are operating system updates.

Silly bunny - once you're fully vaccinated the updates come over 5G

[Skidog]

Anyone know if Splat got stuck with a real vaccine or he still working off the garage made stuff?

[Benny Profane]

Silly bunny - once you're fully vaccinated the updates come over 5G

Dang. I'm so old. Back to my Beatles playlist.

[Falcon3]

Many many vacancies in Spokane for the next couple days. On the Providence website it said I wasn’t eligible and they hadn’t even opened up to tiers 3-4 yet as directed by WA DOH. But Kaiser and all the pharmacies said I was good to go. Getting Moderna #1 next Wednesday, could have done it today but didn’t want to risk messing up my plans for the weekend feeling like poo.

[GoldMember]

Many many vacancies in Spokane for the next couple days. On the Providence website it said I wasn’t eligible and they hadn’t even opened up to tiers 3-4 yet as directed by WA DOH. But Kaiser and all the pharmacies said I was good to go. Getting Moderna #1 next Wednesday, could have done it today but didn’t want to risk messing up my plans for the weekend feeling like poo.

That's kind of strange. Again, too much confusion over the state's guidelines. Providence is correct, right now it's tier 1.B.4, not 2 or 3. As I understand it, as of yesterday, we go straight from 1.B.4 to 3, skipping 2 altogether. And again, that's my gripe. Lots of openings right now in Spokane and other places, the need to obviously open it up but no discretion to the local officials. We know we're going to phase 3 in 14 days with lots of local openings. It appears Kaiser and the pharmacies are thumbing their noses at the state guidance and doing what's right. Good on them and good for you.

[Falcon3]

Sorry, by tiers 3-4 I meant 1B 3 and 4. Providence was still only scheduling 1B2. I do meet criteria for 1B4, I’m not line jumping (before the TGR mob gets to me).

This is the dumbest naming convention. It feels like participation trophies so people don’t feel bad they’re in Tier 10. They’re in Tier 1C2b!!

[GoldMember]

Sorry, by tiers 3-4 I meant 1B 3 and 4. Providence was still only scheduling 1B2.

This is the dumbest naming convention. It feels like participation trophies so people don’t feel bad they’re in Tier 10. They’re in Tier 1C2b!!

Yeah, well...it's the government so....

[Benny Profane]

Exactly. If you ever took any pills or powders acquired from the lot or a friend at a Grateful Dead/Phish show, you can sit right down with any concerns you might have about what's "in" the vaccine.

Well, that's precisely why I stopped taking acid. Lord knows what that shit was after awhile.

Now that generation has fake Viagra over the internet. Haha.