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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post

    I'd bet you just have some corrosion in there. I'd throw some penetrating oil on it, let it sit overnight, then try again.
    It's a brand new bike, hasn't even been ridden on dirt yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    It's a brand new bike, hasn't even been ridden on dirt yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    It's a brand new bike, hasn't even been ridden on dirt yet.
    Depending on who assembled it, could still be corroded. If it was installed dry, galvanic corrosion could set in pretty quick.

    Certainly doesn't rule out the possibility of some other fuckery though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Depending on who assembled it, could still be corroded. If it was installed dry, galvanic corrosion could set in pretty quick.

    Certainly doesn't rule out the possibility of some other fuckery though.
    Ham-fisted assembly is seeming likely. I'm going to call the shop I bought it from tomorrow and see what they say. I'd just take it in, but they're 90 miles away. Next step after that is probably a local dealer.

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    Don’t quote me on this, but I remember reading about, or hearing on a pod cast about Spec rear axles being super over torqued on bikes directly from the factory. I think i may have been JRA podcast, when they were talking about removing eThirteen cassettes, and how big of breaker bar they need to to break it free, then they discussed Specialized rear axles from the factory.
    BUT I know specialized does not allow bikes to be shipped or delivered to customers with out an assembly by their “specially” trained technicians.
    So my question is how do you assemble and properly prepare a customers bike with out removing the rear wheel from the bike.
    My build steps with the rear wheel off include:
    Torque cassette
    Torque rotor bolts/center lock
    Grease rear axle
    Check derail hanger bolts torque
    Check wheel trueness
    Check spoke tension/squeeze test
    Remove tube
    Check rim tape
    Install tubeless valve/sealant.

    I would ask the shop if the rear wheel was removed for the build process, and if it was, what torque setting was it installed at.
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    After you fuckers left me caring way more about chains than I wanted, I strolled down the rabbit hole last night.

    First point learned: Picking the right chain is probably more useful. And chain manufacturers chain descriptions do zero to help. But this helps a lot. I'm going with either the Sram XX1 or the YBN SLA Gold.
    https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/w...ngevitypg1.pdf
    https://cyclingtips.com/2019/12/the-...rable-11-speed

    Second point learned: All the lube tests are run by and for roadies, emphasizing wattage and obsessive cleaning. At the end of every conclusion, they have the caveat that things are different for wet and dirty mountain bike rides. There just aren't any tests out there for us lazy bastards who want to let their shit stay grungy. And as amazing as the wax game sounds, re-waxing and swapping chains just isn't worth it for me. Re-waxing after 100 miles of shitty weather? Fuck that. I probably lube less than that sometimes.

    Third point learned: I just got 2000 miles out of my ebike drivetrain according to the Specialized app. That's with one chain swap in the middle. That's using the bike as a tank, and riding in the shittiest weather you can imagine, and lots of shifting under load. Rode hard, put up wet. It sounds pretty raw right now, and doesn't shift great, but it'll get through a ride just fine. I've replaced my RD 3 times. Ultimately, breaking shit will always be my highest cost, and my highest wrenching time commitment. Currently ordering 2x cassetes, 2x chains, 2x chainrings, 2x RDs for Mr & Mrs bikes. See ya in another 2K.
    However many are in a shit ton.

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    To shoot this dead horse one more time.... I’m firmly in the camp of just spending 20 seconds dripping some lube on my chain and wiping it off. I’ve got a half dozen bottles various lubes I need to burn through before I think about buying a new product. I’m open to buying a wax based product, however, whatever I do, the process of application should not be more than 20 seconds and will not involve a crockpot.


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    I think I'll just go belt drive. This chain stuff is too much man.

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    Hey non-cleaning drippers. More power to ya.
    Speaking as a former bike shop owner; we LOVE customers who look at maintenance as a waste of time and effort. Thanks for supporting the American dream!
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    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxtar View Post
    Hey non-cleaning drippers. More power to ya.
    Speaking as a former bike shop owner; we LOVE customers who look at maintenance as a waste of time and effort. Thanks for supporting the American dream!
    [s] My $450 XX1 cassette does not need to be cleaned, it’s a wear item, I’ll just replace it. [/s]

    [s] = sarcasm font

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Ham-fisted assembly is seeming likely. I'm going to call the shop I bought it from tomorrow and see what they say. I'd just take it in, but they're 90 miles away. Next step after that is probably a local dealer.
    There was a similar issue with Rocky bikes a few years ago, they came out of assembly with a massively overtightened rear axle bolt. I had a meltdown working on Ms Boissal's bike thinking I was going to break everything and eventually took it to the shop. Guy had seen a dozen of them already, gave it a quick shot with the impact driver, stripped it just like the others, and drilled it out. Terrifying to watch on a brand new Altitude.
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    Small AZN man with mis-calibrated impact gun ^^ in Tiawan

    probably the same guy responsible for COVID
    Last edited by XXX-er; 03-29-2021 at 10:22 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs View Post
    [s] = sarcasm font
    Sarcasm font!
    That just hit me as awesome. Well played.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs View Post
    Don’t quote me on this, but I remember reading about, or hearing on a pod cast about Spec rear axles being super over torqued on bikes directly from the factory. I think i may have been JRA podcast, when they were talking about removing eThirteen cassettes, and how big of breaker bar they need to to break it free, then they discussed Specialized rear axles from the factory.
    BUT I know specialized does not allow bikes to be shipped or delivered to customers with out an assembly by their “specially” trained technicians.
    So my question is how do you assemble and properly prepare a customers bike with out removing the rear wheel from the bike.
    My build steps with the rear wheel off include:
    Torque cassette
    Torque rotor bolts/center lock
    Grease rear axle
    Check derail hanger bolts torque
    Check wheel trueness
    Check spoke tension/squeeze test
    Remove tube
    Check rim tape
    Install tubeless valve/sealant.

    I would ask the shop if the rear wheel was removed for the build process, and if it was, what torque setting was it installed at.
    The bike rolled out of the shop with tubes. I'm thankful for this because 1) I got two 29" tubes free with the bike; and 2) It meant I discovered this issue in the stand and not on the trail where it would have been much worse.

    I'm guessing that the wheel was not removed and re-installed by the shop. The shop in question is more like a regional version of REI than a typical LBS. I doubt that they have your attention to detail and disassemble/reassemble anything that came factory-assembled just in case something non-obvious arrived pre-borked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boissal View Post
    There was a similar issue with Rocky bikes a few years ago, they came out of assembly with a massively overtightened rear axle bolt. I had a meltdown working on Ms Boissal's bike thinking I was going to break everything and eventually took it to the shop. Guy had seen a dozen of them already, gave it a quick shot with the impact driver, stripped it just like the others, and drilled it out. Terrifying to watch on a brand new Altitude.
    I literally cringed reading this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boissal View Post
    There was a similar issue with Rocky bikes a few years ago, they came out of assembly with a massively overtightened rear axle bolt. I had a meltdown working on Ms Boissal's bike thinking I was going to break everything and eventually took it to the shop. Guy had seen a dozen of them already, gave it a quick shot with the impact driver, stripped it just like the others, and drilled it out. Terrifying to watch on a brand new Altitude.
    Fuck. That.

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    I recently drilled out a rear axle/hanger on a very unique, non replaceable, $4500 frame with a $1500 custom paint job..... [emoji90] 🩳

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    The 2021 supply thread has me thinking I should pick up a new cassette. Are there any good (read: cheaper but just as good) alternatives to X01 XG1295, or should I just get another one of those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxtar View Post
    Hey non-cleaning drippers. More power to ya.
    Speaking as a former bike shop owner; we LOVE customers who look at maintenance as a waste of time and effort. Thanks for supporting the American dream!
    Speaking as a former bike shop manager, we HATE customers who are overly anal about meaningless maintenance rituals on a bike that's about to be dragged through the mud and tomahawked down a rocky hillside. 80% of the time, all that "maintaining" is really just trying too hard to keep the bike clean and destroying the bearings with repeated washing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Speaking as a former bike shop manager, we HATE customers who are overly anal about meaningless maintenance rituals on a bike that's about to be dragged through the mud and tomahawked down a rocky hillside. 80% of the time, all that "maintaining" is really just trying too hard to keep the bike clean and destroying the bearings with repeated washing.
    So, as a former bike shop manager, you really recommend repeatedly dragging your bike through mud and tomahawking down rocky hillsides without ever doing "meaningless bike maintenance" such as basic cleaning? Just pour more lube into it. Leave the grit in place? After all, you're just going to replace it anyway.
    Bet your boss loved you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    I'm guessing that the wheel was not removed and re-installed by the shop. The shop in question is more like a regional version of REI than a typical LBS. I doubt that they have your attention to detail and disassemble/reassemble anything that came factory-assembled just in case something non-obvious arrived pre-borked.
    Shop had no idea if the wheel was removed and re-installed before it was sold. Local Specialized dealer said to bring it in and that they haven't been seeing axles that were arriving over-tightened from the factory.

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    Your binary approach to bikes is exhausting. But the way you appear personally offended when someone doesn’t heed your warnings is rather amusing.


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    However many are in a shit ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxtar View Post
    So, as a former bike shop manager, you really recommend repeatedly dragging your bike through mud and tomahawking down rocky hillsides without ever doing "meaningless bike maintenance" such as basic cleaning? Just pour more lube into it. Leave the grit in place? After all, you're just going to replace it anyway.
    Bet your boss loved you.
    Like I said at the outset, clean it when it needs it. Most decent lubes these days run pretty clean though.

    You sound like one of those shop owners that would spend 5 hours meticulously cleaning and crockpotting some random bike that was in for a $15 repair. I know a few former shop owners that were like that.

    [edit] Sprockets 2021! Pick your crockpot and be a dick about it!
    Last edited by toast2266; 03-29-2021 at 12:19 PM.

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    I don't think anybody in the repair bidness really likes to phuck thing up or bill people, I would say bike store techs are more likely to underbill but the reality is the shop has to make its % , if they don't turn that around & make money for the shop its not going to be there for long.

    of course the above does not apply to me, i want a deal cuz i brought this warm 6-pak of shitty macro beer

    I recently i got all twisted up about shit-ily made dry suits and the fucked up things people do to them in an imperfect world

    2 hrs later i had cooled down and realized it really just making us the company /me the contractor more money

    I shared this thot with the front end folk, Bingo! sez the accountant
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Like I said at the outset, clean it when it needs it. Most decent lubes these days run pretty clean though.

    You sound like one of those shop owners that would spend 5 hours meticulously cleaning and crockpotting some random bike that was in for a $15 repair. I know a few former shop owners that were like that.

    [edit] Sprockets 2021! Pick your crockpot and be a dick about it!
    Naa, jus havin fun.
    Honestly. my point was not that everyone should wax. But yes, I personally feel cleaning your drivetrain is important and IF you do that frequently, hot waxing doesn't really take any more time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

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