What's Blizzard up to?

**skibrd** · 02-10-2021, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by tuco

Weird. I pay 0 attention to pretty much any ski under that waist width.

It’s a numbers game. What are your chances of getting a pow day if you are a 10-20 day a year weekend skier. My cousin has been in Denver 10 year now and has caught 3 or 4 deep days on weekends. He skis 10-20 days a year, primarily weekends only. He is also a one ski quiver skier, so he has one <100mm wide pair of skis, and that’s it. He deals with being under gunned on the rare deep day he does luck out to get.

Also, Colorado just doesn’t get the same snow as Utah, CA, or WA. Steamboats best year ever was like 350in, their average is 250in I think. At least here in WY, that’s a depressing season. When you don’t get the volume of snow, the demand for 110* wide skis just isn’t there. What does CO do best? Long groomers IMO, not big mountain pow skiing. Yes, Silverton, CB, and Telluride exist, but they don’t have the draw of the weekend or vacation crowd that Breck, Vail, Beaver Creek, Copper, and Keystone have.

That’s the vast majority of the I-80 skiers. We, with our bloated 7+ pair of ski quivers, are in the minority. I’m not surprised that fat skis don’t move in the Intermountain area.

I still want a slightly longer and beefier R10 thought. Hey, a guy can dream.

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**Beder** · 02-10-2021, 02:11 PM

I go through skis like a crack whore goes through, um, crack. Currently 12 or 13 pair. Not my Bodacious though. Nothing else even close to this old either. I remember buying them on close out too, maybe from Sierra? Anyway I wish they would make this one again...I’ve tried and sold some of the newer ones.
We’re going to Targhee tomorrow.

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**gregL** · 02-10-2021, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by skibrd

It’s a numbers game.

It is.

If the total number of your skis over 100mm = zero, how much fun are you gonna have when that once-in-a-lifetime bottomless pow day happens along?

**HAB** · 02-10-2021, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by gregL

It is.

If the total number of your skis over 100mm = zero, how much fun are you gonna have when that once-in-a-lifetime bottomless pow day happens along?

Ignorance is bliss, maybe?

(Says the guy with a double digit quiver, one of which is sub 100)

**skibrd** · 02-11-2021, 12:01 AM

Ignorance is bliss, and skiing isn’t the same sport to them as it is us. We forget that we are the 1% of skiers, with boots that fit, a quiver of skis to pick from, the list goes on.

Now convincing the one ski quiver owners they need a >100mm wide ski, or a pair 100-110mm wide, and a >1100mm wide pair, well that’s a question for Wasatch and GregL, cause I’m not the salesman here.

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**PNW-skier78** · 02-12-2021, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Beder

I go through skis like a crack whore goes through, um, crack. Currently 12 or 13 pair. Not my Bodacious though. Nothing else even close to this old either. I remember buying them on close out too, maybe from Sierra? Anyway I wish they would make this one again...I’ve tried and sold some of the newer ones.
We’re going to Targhee tomorrow.

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Was there a big difference between the newer ones and yours? Curious as I have been debating about buying a pair to store for when my current bodacious dies. I love the ski that much.

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**nickwm21** · 02-12-2021, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by nickwm21

Any ‘21 Cochise 106 reviews here? Seems like a few of you were going to pull the trigger....

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Bump. Any other comments on the new Cochise?

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**slowroastin** · 02-12-2021, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by nickwm21

Bump. Any other comments on the new Cochise?

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Blister just dropped the full review.

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**kc_7777** · 02-12-2021, 02:19 PM

Sold my 2019 green R11s that had Shifts on them.

Tough to do as I think the R11 is legitimately a ski you could own 2 of in your quiver.

Picked up a pair of 2021 R11s....mounted them with gold Pivot 15s. Liking the new look. May have to start wearing a gold chain too. Or get a gold tooth?

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**HAB** · 02-12-2021, 02:42 PM

The gold Pivots are usually a bit gaudy for me but that combo looks great.

I need to try an R11 one of these days. Think I'd really like the 188.

**Beder** · 02-12-2021, 02:43 PM

Damn son, you better buy a lock for those

**kc_7777** · 02-12-2021, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by HAB

The gold Pivots are usually a bit gaudy for me but that combo looks great.
I need to try an R11 one of these days. Think I'd really like the 188.

You should try one....I love it....~1/2 metal, lots of tip/tail rise....it's just a great mix of "easy that rips". Makes bad snow less bad.

Re the gold Pivots... haha. I put the silver, gold and yellow/purple forza Pivots on them and the gold looked the best. I think it will be better once they're scuffed up a bit. haha

**mr_pretzel** · 02-12-2021, 02:53 PM

Kc where’d you mount this time?

**kc_7777** · 02-12-2021, 03:01 PM

Hey Severin,

I went +1cm.

I skied my 2019 Rustler 11s at both +1cm and +2cm. I think +1cm is best. My bsl is 288mm so factor that in.

Keith

**Fred Pabst** · 02-13-2021, 08:31 AM

So I picked up a pair of the 186 cm black issue bodes from Asogear back in December mounted them up and had them ready to go, and then managed to injure myself(non skiing). Missed five weeks of season. So I finally got a chance to take these out. Blown away! Conditions at my home hill Sugarloaf are very good right now, but it hasn't snowed in a week so everything is packed out with excellent groomer cruising, and that is what they do. Of course since they are just wide GS skis. I like the way the rocker hooks up. I've had mixed feelings about tip rocker. Sometimes I like sometimes not so much. These things are smooth and chatter free. They have a speed limit that I will never find.

I had a pair of the 196cm, that I sold to someone on this board. At 220 lbs I always go for the longest length of whatever ski. The 196 though an excellent ski felt planky, at least for my purposes. The 186 does not feel that way at all. Yes they are still heavy as hell especially with a pivot 18. Not going to be a mogul or tight tree ski. Can't wait to get these out in some better snow. Two thumbs up!

Now I am going to have to re-think future ski purchases as far a length goes. I don't want to give up skiing metal chargers, but at 58 y.o. maybe that is what is going to have to happen. Eyeballing the cochise 106 for maybe next year. May have to go 186 with that one too.

**CascadeLuke** · 02-13-2021, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Beder

I go through skis like a crack whore goes through, um, crack. Currently 12 or 13 pair. Not my Bodacious though. Nothing else even close to this old either. I remember buying them on close out too, maybe from Sierra? Anyway I wish they would make this one again...I’ve tried and sold some of the newer ones.
We’re going to Targhee tomorrow.

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This is the exact ski that made me put down the snowboard. Have been lured by metal flat uf ever since. Wish I didn’t sell. Best of the early art too.

The R9 getting the glowing reviews- is that the tealish one and/or newest red? Or just the new that was tweaked for better?

**tuco** · 02-13-2021, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by skibrd

It’s a numbers game. What are your chances of getting a pow day if you are a 10-20 day a year weekend skier. My cousin has been in Denver 10 year now and has caught 3 or 4 deep days on weekends. He skis 10-20 days a year, primarily weekends only. He is also a one ski quiver skier, so he has one <100mm wide pair of skis, and that’s it. He deals with being under gunned on the rare deep day he does luck out to get.

Also, Colorado just doesn’t get the same snow as Utah, CA, or WA. Steamboats best year ever was like 350in, their average is 250in I think. At least here in WY, that’s a depressing season. When you don’t get the volume of snow, the demand for 110* wide skis just isn’t there. What does CO do best? Long groomers IMO, not big mountain pow skiing. Yes, Silverton, CB, and Telluride exist, but they don’t have the draw of the weekend or vacation crowd that Breck, Vail, Beaver Creek, Copper, and Keystone have.

That’s the vast majority of the I-80 skiers. We, with our bloated 7+ pair of ski quivers, are in the minority. I’m not surprised that fat skis don’t move in the Intermountain area.

I still want a slightly longer and beefier R10 thought. Hey, a guy can dream.

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I get that it's a #'s game. I also understand that I am an outlier, even on tgr. I pretty much ski 125uf everyday(low snow, no snow, old snow,...). I look @ groomers as a means from here to there tho, so there's that. Soli's groomers are fucking boring though.
Still curious about it. Does your 10-20 day a season cousin pay full retail for his skis? WB said "fat skis don't sell, at least not @ full retail." With all the discount sites out there, are there really that many intermediates out there to push full retail skinny ski sales year in year out(must be texans).

**skibrd** · 02-13-2021, 05:08 PM

I have the black and grey with a yellow bull Rustler 9. I’m not sure if it’s been tweaked, but it just works for me. It is under gunned in 4-8in of soft snow, but up to that it could be my daily driver.

Denver’s huge ski swap is where he got his skis, then again he hasn’t bought new skis in 8(?) years. He has a 3 and 5 year old learning to ski, and claims when they are off the bunny hill he will get new skis. I 100% under stand and don’t push him to get new gear. Kids are important and having good gear doesn’t matter on the bunny slopes. When he does look for new skis, I will push him towards the Bonafide or R10. Blizzard just gets it right.

**tuco** · 02-13-2021, 07:27 PM

Guess it's just the "full retail" comment that makes me curious.
Only time I've ever paid full retail was for sticks your not getting elsewhere, i.e. Supergoats, Kusala reissue and Moment Chipotle Banaña(try finding 32m tr elsewhere). Not to be a dick, but I'd never pay full retail for ANY Blizzard ski(or any major manufacturer for that matter). As much as I do like both the Spur and R11 when I tried them, there is a certain robustness missing there for an everyday resort ski. R11 was the funnest ski I skied @ Snobasin demo day, but after spending most of the year on some ON3P Caylors, I was struck by how toothpicky they are(balsa core?).

**Bandit Man** · 02-13-2021, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by tuco

Guess it's just the "full retail" comment that makes me curious.
Only time I've ever paid full retail was for sticks your not getting elsewhere, i.e. Supergoats, Kusala reissue and Moment Chipotle Banaña(try finding 32m tr elsewhere). Not to be a dick, but I'd never pay full retail for ANY Blizzard ski(or any major manufacturer for that matter). As much as I do like both the Spur and R11 when I tried them, there is a certain robustness missing there for an everyday resort ski. R11 was the funnest ski I skied @ Snobasin demo day, but after spending most of the year on some ON3P Caylors, I was struck by how toothpicky they are(balsa core?).

The point of the Rustler 11 is to be light-ish and high performance. It’s not a Cochise...or a Bodacious. Could be a great 50/50 resort/touring ski for some people. I think they are just about the best resort powder ski out there.

**slowroastin** · 02-13-2021, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bandit Man

The point of the Rustler 11 is to be light-ish and high performance. It’s not a Cochise...or a Bodacious. Could be a great 50/50 resort/touring ski for some people. I think they are just about the best resort powder ski out there.

Is the 192 essentially a longer 188? Or is it a burlier pro ski build?

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**roQer** · 02-14-2021, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by slowroastin

Is the 192 essentially a longer 188? Or is it a burlier pro ski build?

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We had this already discussed somewhere in this thread. 192 2 mm wider uf and touch stiffer. Floats better and more stable. 188 better allround, 192 the better resort powder charger.

**whyturn** · 02-14-2021, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by slowroastin

Is the 192 essentially a longer 188? Or is it a burlier pro ski build?

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I have 188 and it measure 186 like my BG. So 192 should be 190. It’s light so probably fine at 190 and not a pro build that I know of. I like light stability and it runs great on groomers. I wanted more nimble so I went 188. I have chargers already like 192 protest. Great ski though and I think it is resort killer. Now if my resort had more chop would be billy goat.

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**wasatchback** · 02-14-2021, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by slowroastin

Is the 192 essentially a longer 188? Or is it a burlier pro ski build?

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Not a “pro ski build” but the flex profile is stiffer than the 188 by design. How much? Not really sure, don’t have a number. It’s also 116 as has been stated. At my weight the flex difference is rather noticeable when skiing.

**tuco** · 02-14-2021, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Bandit Man

The point of the Rustler 11 is to be light-ish and high performance. It’s not a Cochise...or a Bodacious. Could be a great 50/50 resort/touring ski for some people. I think they are just about the best resort powder ski out there.

Beautiful 50/50 ski. I'm talking resort ski. R11 is fairly delicate.
Best resort powder ski is a highly subjective matter