What's Blizzard up to?

[gregL]

And while we're at it - a 114/184 version of the 188 R11 would be awesome too.

Seconded. A 184 R11 might make it possible to not have both the 180 and 188 Rustler 11 for different areas.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Especially if the R10.5 had the titanal plate / turn characteristics of the 11 and not the 10. That would probably be as versatile a ski as they come.

This is what I want. A skinnier 11. The 10 is not it.

[gregL]

This is what I want. A skinnier 11. The 10 is not it.

Pass the word to the Austrians, wasatchback. Make 'em and 20 guys on TGR will buy them, though a lot of them will probably pro-form them.

[sf]

This is turning into another ON3P-thread, sort of.
NTTAWWT

[durangobrad]

A 182-184 R10.5 and 184 R11 would be on my "must find cash to buy instantly" list of skis.

Second!



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[jacob_dbu]

Idk why Blizzard loves their 180 / 188 break. The majority of average dudes should be ripping on 184's.

[skibrd]

yes. Especially if the R10.5 had the titanal plate / turn characteristics of the 11 and not the 10. That would probably be as versatile a ski as they come.

The R12 sounds more than intriguing too

And while we're at it - a 114/184 version of the 188 R11 would be awesome too.

A 182-184 R10.5 and 184 R11 would be on my "must find cash to buy instantly" list of skis.

I was thinking exactly this. I really like the 10 until it’s about 4in deep snow, then the 188 is under gunned for me. Maybe a sheet of metal and maybe a 192? Not sure, but the tip and tail of the 188 is way too soft in soft snow at 6-3 220. It’s a GREAT hard snow fun inbounds ripping ski, just not great at in soft stuff

The R10.5 sounds nice!


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[whyturn]

Idk why Blizzard loves their 180 / 188 break. The majority of average dudes should be ripping on 184's.

Because 188 measures 186 and 180 measures 178
188 is not hard to ski for smaller dudes and 186/184 seems splitting hairs. But just IMO.

I am interested in a rustler 12 since 11 is only one more than 10. But 120/122 would be insane. Spur is a lot like rustler though so maybe it’s done.


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[jacob_dbu]

Because 188 measures 186 and 180 measures 178
188 is not hard to ski for smaller dudes and 186/184 seems splitting hairs. But just IMO.

I am interested in a rustler 12 since 11 is only one more than 10. But 120/122 would be insane. Spur is a lot like rustler though so maybe it’s done.


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Well my favorite size is straight pull 182! So they should make it duh.

[mr_pretzel]

192 Rustler 11s in hand [emoji869]
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Sick! Excited to hear your thoughts, I think they compliment BG’s very well.

It looks like there is more camber now? My first gen green 192s are basically flat underfoot at this point

[Bandit Man]

Pass the word to the Austrians, wasatchback. Make 'em and 20 guys on TGR will buy them, though a lot of them will probably pro-form them.

🤣🤣🤣...Facts!!

[gregL]

������...Facts!!

Or use their SGGG credit on them . . .

[roQer]

For those that tried the early production skis last spring I’d say revisit the final production ones that landed this fall, especially the 189.

The 189 was the only ski that didn’t really go through all the testing protocols before we got them last winter. To me it wasn’t quite right. Been skiing a final production one the last few weeks and it feels much better. It’s still a big ski for sure but they dialed the flex pattern in a bit so the tails are much easier to release and it makes the ski much more versatile than the early production ones we got for testing last winter.

That’s a good info. I kinda like my 189 Bones from last spring. They are ridiculously stable. Tail releases like shit, although better than on a GS ski, but man can you go fast on them.
Was already wondering what was the intention of Blizzard to make such a bad ass Bonafide.

[gregL]

Spur is a lot like rustler though so maybe it’s done.

Not really, Current version is surfy and gutless, asym Gen 2 was OK but the single size didn't agree with me, OG version was too locked in and transmitted too much energy in anything but 2 feet of pow. Rustler 11 has none of those issues for me, I could just use it wider and with a touch less camber a few days a year.

[wasatchback]

Not really, Current version is surfy and gutless, asym Gen 2 was OK but the single size didn't agree with me, OG version was too locked in and transmitted too much energy in anything but 2 feet of pow. Rustler 11 has none of those issues for me, I could just use it wider and with a touch less camber a few days a year.

Gutless? Really? Come on! My fat ass never felt like I was over skiing it. I only had maybe 5 runs in actual pow though.

IMHO the reason why some people don’t like Rustler 10 is actually thats it’s too much like the 11 in its design. It has basically the same rocker profile as the 11 but is just narrower. It’s not quite right for it’s waste width. It’s would be a better ski with a rocker profile more similar to the 9. I do think the R10 got better when we made it heavier last year. It’s a much more supple ski now. It absorbs terrain and chop much better and deflects way less than the first two years of it. That being said it sells incredibly well and there are a lot of very happy customers that have no idea this website or forum exist. I agree with the size break being a bit funky and it’s been discussed a lot.

Fat skis don’t sell, period. Well they don’t sell at full price. I have a hard enough time selling 112 wasted R11s in the Intermountain area. A wider one ain’t happening, sorry. Hard to justify the expense of the molds themselves when we would sell so few. Not to mention all the R&D and testing that would have to go into them.

I’ve been really enjoying the Rustler 9 as of late. I’ve never skied a 188 until this year and I must say it might be the most under the radar ski we make.

[whyturn]

I have white spur which is actually quite easy to ski and metal.

Next gen black is more like bigger 11 and skis similar with bigger all around. Yes it’s different but quite stable and easy to ski as well

Rustler 11 is great resort ski and also very way but stable.

Funny how others rate them especially the Spurs. But not for everyone and that’s ok. I get the smaller waist ski sales cause most people don’t get resort pow

But I’m impressed and these three make it fun to ski. Now I did not like spurred bodacious and Cochise. So not everything is good IMO.


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[volklpowdermaniac]

I have white spur which is actually quite easy to ski and metal.

Next gen black is more like bigger 11 and skis similar with bigger all around. Yes it’s different but quite stable and easy to ski as well

Rustler 11 is great resort ski and also very way but stable.

Funny how others rate them especially the Spurs. But not for everyone and that’s ok. I get the smaller waist ski sales cause most people don’t get resort pow

But I’m impressed and these three make it fun to ski. Now I did not like spurred bodacious and Cochise. So not everything is good IMO.


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This brings up good question
Are the gen1 white (year one) and Gen 1 black (year two I think) the same all around? I assume when you said the black ones you were referring to the asym gen2?

[whyturn]

This brings up good question
Are the gen1 white (year one) and Gen 1 black (year two I think) the same all around? I assume when you said the black ones you were referring to the asym gen2?

Yes first gen white and second gen black asymmetrical

They are very easy to ski and actually quite easy. Did I mention easy but stable. I disagree with a lot of the reviews. But it’s more that they work for me.

I read bad reviews on gen 1 and disagreed. So I figured same on gen 2. Turns out they are fun.


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[skibrd]

I find myself grabbing the Rustler 9s way more then I thought I ever would. It’s a VERY underrated ski. I like it more then the R10s I have. Unlike the R10, the R9 is perfect in a 188.


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[cbgarrett]

I have white spur which is actually quite easy to ski and metal.

Next gen black is more like bigger 11 and skis similar with bigger all around. Yes it’s different but quite stable and easy to ski as well

Rustler 11 is great resort ski and also very way but stable.

Funny how others rate them especially the Spurs. But not for everyone and that’s ok. I get the smaller waist ski sales cause most people don’t get resort pow

But I’m impressed and these three make it fun to ski. Now I did not like spurred bodacious and Cochise. So not everything is good IMO.


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I, too have the 1st gen spurs. I just picked up a 2nd gen asym spur and have a few days on them. I agree with your assessments. The 1st gen is a pure pow ski. I find it also skis deep chop well. It does wear me out after a few hours, so after everything is tracked I usually switch skis. I don't understand when I read complaints about the spur and how it is not very versatile. That's why we all own a quiver.

The 2nd gen asym spur is more versatile. Skis deep pow and chop slightly less well than the 1st gen. Better in tight trees and steep chutes. Easier on the legs and I can ski it more of the day. I might like it better, but I will need more days on it to determine. The mount point is more forward, kind of in line with the R11 (which I also own). I will probably keep only 1 spur, and my R11 is for day after powder days. My opinion is the R11 doesn't ski untracked pow very well, but it is better for tracked out pow and steep chalky pow or windbuff (although the asym spur does that very well, also).

1st gen cochise is my everyday ski, but that's another topic.

[slowroastin]

180 Brahma has been the ski I spend the most time on. Sometimes I think a little wider, longer and ever so softer in the front half would make it my ideal ski. And then the Bonafide 97 183 comes out. Cant wait to try it.

[gregL]

I have a hard enough time selling 112 wasted R11s in the Intermountain area.

Because there wasn't any snow until two weeks ago? Now they wish they had them.

There are really two markets - the consumer ski market, and the enthusiast market. Blizzard tends to elicit emotion among the latter, the former buys them when they see the latter ripping on them. The enthusiasts here wish those two skis existed.

Unfortunately, that end of the market doesn't generate much revenue . . .

[wasatchback]

Because there wasn't any snow until two weeks ago? Now they wish they had them.

There are really two markets - the consumer ski market, and the enthusiast market. Blizzard tends to elicit emotion among the latter, the former buys them when they see the latter ripping on them. The enthusiasts here wish those two skis existed.

Unfortunately, that end of the market doesn't generate much revenue . . .

No. Even when we had great snow in previous years. In the Intermountain zone, and for sure CO, 110+ wasted skis have been parked. NW, BC and CA where the snow is more dense it’s a different story for sure.

[Caucasian Asian]

I ski the 186 OG Bodacious and really like it as an every day Rocky Mountain ski. I also have a 193 Spur'd Bodacious and like it for pow days. I could ski it every day, but it's a little long for tight trees and poor vis days.
I just picked up a black Spur on a whim. How do they compare to the two Bodacious?

[tuco]

No. Even when we had great snow in previous years. In the Intermountain zone, and for sure CO, 110+ wasted skis have been parked. NW, BC and CA where the snow is more dense it’s a different story for sure.

Weird. I pay 0 attention to pretty much any ski under that waist width.