ON3P SKIS Discussion

[beeeom]

I think if that tail shape went to the BG it would allow people to ski it more aggressively and get rid of the characteristics which make lazy skiing permissible.


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Don't fuck with a good thing!

The real question is whether or not they can do another run of the 2013/2014 186's & 191's. I'd buy a pair in a second just to sit on.

[CaliBrit]

If anyone has a pair of 187 Woodsman 116’s they’d like to move along then LMK. Would like to test them against the 184 Wren 114’s I have.

[PowTron]

I miss my extra stiff Kartel 116 sometimes. But that was a shit ton of carbon.

For the newer way of core profile altering stiffness...it’s better. Trust me.

[PowTron]

Also, Midnight is super sick in person.

So dark. Much pretty. Cat approved.

[CaliBrit]

Also, Midnight is super sick in person.

So dark. Much pretty. Cat approved.

What are those?

[Sessiøn]

Also, Midnight is super sick in person.

So dark. Much pretty. Cat approved.

Twining.

[phatty]

Yup. I still think this is my favorite iteration. I kind of want a second pair. Still salty I missed the grizzly corn 191s that sold here a while back. Dibs if anyone reading this has those and wants to sell.

Unsolicited 0.02 - a ski that lets you ski lazy or aggressive, but still doesn’t have a speed limit is just a ski with respectable versatility.

I’m still a hack and I’ve never really gotten along as well with a ski that requires aggressive skiing to ride well. Lotus 120 spoon comes to mind. That thing just kind of beat me up. Tail punishes anyone not way into the front seat. I think I’d have fun on a supergoat, but I don’t think I personally would be inclined to replace a more versatile ski with a less versatile one.

I guess I just don’t quite understand what the supergoat does significantly better than the 189.

Maybe I’m just a 191 loyalist and hating on everything else :P.

I'm with you on the 191 vs 189 non asym. I bought a pair last week and skied them over the weekend. Had my 191s out for today. They just seemed smoother and easier to flick around. Plus mobbed the chunky bottom of the hill. If they ever brought them back for a special run, I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

The 189s were still great and I'll give them another shot before releasing back to the collective, but the 191s are cold dead hand skis for me now.

[Bandit Man]

I'm with you on the 191 vs 189 non asym. I bought a pair last week and skied them over the weekend. Had my 191s out for today. They just seemed smoother and easier to flick around. Plus mobbed the chunky bottom of the hill. If they ever brought them back for a special run, I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

The 189s were still great and I'll give them another shot before releasing back to the collective, but the 191s are cold dead hand skis for me now.

Told Ya!! [emoji6]

I bought TAFKALS’s 191’s and mounted them with Attach demos tonight. I’m going to systematically ruin all my friends by letting them ski them on our next deep day.

Been a while since I have been on a pair of 191’s. Looking forward to that super loose chargy mix.

[SupreChicken]

Told Ya!! [emoji6]

I bought TAFKALS’s 191’s and mounted them with Attach demos tonight. I’m going to systematically ruin all my friends by letting them ski them on our next deep day.

Been a while since I have been on a pair of 191’s. Looking forward to that super loose chargy mix.

Heh. I quite admire your ability to justify any ski or just give zero effs about overlap.

I also am glad that such a legendary pair of skis is with such a legendary mag who skis where I ski.

Also pretty sure one MLK pow day several years ago where I was on a 191 goat and LVS was on an 89mm underfoot dynastar offering is what got him interested in a pair of billy goats. Look how that turned out.

You’re welcome.

[phatty]

Told Ya!! [emoji6]

I bought TAFKALS’s 191’s and mounted them with Attach demos tonight. I’m going to systematically ruin all my friends by letting them ski them on our next deep day.

Been a while since I have been on a pair of 191’s. Looking forward to that super loose chargy mix.

Yeah, yeah yeah , but don't get too full of yourself. [emoji12] I almost bought those 191s, too, and now I wish I had for a back up.

[sf]

I'm with you on the 191 vs 189 non asym. I bought a pair last week and skied them over the weekend. Had my 191s out for today. They just seemed smoother and easier to flick around. Plus mobbed the chunky bottom of the hill. If they ever brought them back for a special run, I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

The 189s were still great and I'll give them another shot before releasing back to the collective, but the 191s are cold dead hand skis for me now.

Told Ya!! [emoji6]

I bought TAFKALS’s 191’s and mounted them with Attach demos tonight. I’m going to systematically ruin all my friends by letting them ski them on our next deep day.

Been a while since I have been on a pair of 191’s. Looking forward to that super loose chargy mix.

Coming from a owner of both the 186 non-asym and a 189 asym C&D, and previous owner of 191 non-asym tours; what's the main reason for the difference? Flex or shape? I think the tail rocker line and splay is pretty similar?

Love the 186, haven't been on the C&Ds enough to comment. 191 tours were great, but I didn't tour on them and didn't need them for inbounds.

Sort of regret that sale, I'd rather keep them for sometime in the future. Same as my 191 OG C&Ds....if they somehow find their way back I'd buy them in a heartbeat.

[iggyskier]

what's the main reason for the difference?

[sf]

Yeah, that was sort of my thinking as well. Is the 186/191 and the 189 all the same, except from asym/sidecut tweak and 2cm?

[paal]

sf - about your old 191 bearclaw tours:

After his first day on them, the guy who bought them from you told me and another friend on 191 / 184 BGs: "NOW I get it... you guys have been cheating this whole time!"

He is not touring on them though, so if he ends up wanting to swap them out for some reg.layup at some point, I'll let you know. (unless I just steal them myself that is... )

[sf]

sf - about your old 191 bearclaw tours:

After his first day on them, the guy who bought them from you told me and another friend on 191 / 184 BGs: "NOW I get it... you guys have been cheating this whole time!"

He is not touring on them though, so if he ends up wanting to swap them out for some reg.layup at some point, I'll let you know. (unless I just steal them myself that is... )

Oh dear He should buy those 189s on Finn

[galibier_numero_un]

... The wife is beginning to take notice of the BC gear I’ve been slowly acquiring.

Get customs with all the same topsheet ;-)

... Thom

[PowTron]

What are those?

Jeffrey 108 186

[skuff]

Jeffrey 108 186

Did you mount those on the line?

[MiddleOfNight]

Get customs with all the same topsheet ;-)

... Thom

+1.

I have old BG's and new CD's both wood veneer, both with shifts.

'Are you taking your wood skis today? I like those.'

yes dear

[fencejack]

Following up on my Woodsman 108 discussion...

I've read that some are having tuning issues that are making them feel hooky. Anyone know if this is specific to a year, 2019/2020 or 2020/2021? I have the 2019/2020 model and wondering if there's anything I can check prior to using them to see if I might have the same problem? Any details on what to do to fix it (aside from detune tips/tails more)?

I appreciate all the help so far.

[PaulC08]

Stock J116s were a blast to tour with on some new snow in the Wasatch yesterday. Although I’m now glad I didn’t skip leg day too many times this summer....




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[PowTron]

Did you mount those on the line?

They are -.5cm from the line. I like them just a tad back from recommended on the Kartel/Jeffrey mold.

[PowTron]

Twining.

I had to get some after you snagged the other ones out from under my nose. You have the midnight bases though, right? These are stock Green.

[skuff]

They are -.5cm from the line. I like them just a tad back from recommended on the Kartel/Jeffrey mold.

Thanks, still debating on where to mount my 186s

[kid-kapow]

Following up on my Woodsman 108 discussion...

I've read that some are having tuning issues that are making them feel hooky. Anyone know if this is specific to a year, 2019/2020 or 2020/2021? I have the 2019/2020 model and wondering if there's anything I can check prior to using them to see if I might have the same problem? Any details on what to do to fix it (aside from detune tips/tails more)?

I appreciate all the help so far.

If people have issues, please reach out. That feedback loop is used to make adjustments to our tune, and I've haven't received this feedback outside of one person who called (and your email that I missed a month ago S). And we sold a ton of Woodsman (so much so that we added a width and trimmed the Wrens down).

I will say - we've definitely struggled a bit with our base edge tune consistency this year. We do a two part process - belt first, then finishing on a ceramic side/base edge and that machine had been giving us so much trouble last season that we pulled it off the line and went back to a full belt process until it can be serviced (up in the air on the virus end).

From the description of everyone here, it sounds like we blew the tune and your base bevel is too low. We also did tailor our gummi back a bit last winter (increased it again this cycle) so if your base bevel is too flat, especially first couple days with sharp ends, would be a pretty shitty ride. My apologies. As I said, I did reach out to everyone and will what we can to get them skiing right, as it's not a ski you should be seeing hooking on.

Feel free to give the factory a call if you are having issues too. We're just tomorrow finally returning to a normal work schedule.

Have him check the base bevel. Specifically, for a subtle burr line on the base side of the edge that the said belt potentially missed in finishing. That's my best guess as to why certain portions of a ski could perform unpredictably on hard snow. I'd imagine that this could also be remedied with a ceramic stone in a handheld 1° bevel followed by a few passes with a gummy stone if you wanted to DIY.

I followed Iggy's and CallMeAl's most excellent advice. The edge bevel was indeed the issue with my woods116s and woods108s.

The hookieness on my woods116 dissapeared completely. The tails were still a tiny bit too locked in the last time I used them, but have retuned and detuned them again since - re my previous post. I am very confident that they will be soft snow slayers now, yet still be dependable and predictable on hard snow.

I retuned my woods108s too, and they went from feeling to locked in and a chore to ski to feeling great - even if they are still quite a bit of ski, but they are also fairly loose and super solid on groomers.

So I would not sweat it - either detuning or retuning the edges is extremely easy to do if yours are not perfect out of the gate.