The 300g Touring Binding Thread

[rod9301]

Thanks for the reply other opinions on the flat mode with brakes?

Flat enough with the brakes without turning the heel assembly

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[galibier_numero_un]

picking up some UL skis with one dynafit radical mount. Is the atk trofeo enough better than the dynafit ssl to be worth putting more holes in the skis? Looks like I could re use all toe holes for the dyna superlight

Well, according to my buddy, the SSL 2.0s set a pretty high bar. If you like the SSLs I wouldn't get all FOMO about it, but that's just me (who can be prone to FOMO ).

... Thom

[Spyderjon]

picking up some UL skis with one dynafit radical mount. Is the atk trofeo enough better than the dynafit ssl to be worth putting more holes in the skis? Looks like I could re use all toe holes for the dyna superlight

The Superlite uses the Radical 1 toe pattern but has a different heel pattern. And unless you use the heel shift plate it doesn't have any length adjustment so has to be mounted for your specific boot sole length. What will work or clash will be depend how your boot sole length compares to that of the original mount etc.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

The Superlite uses the Radical 1 toe pattern but has a different heel pattern. And unless you use the heel shift plate it doesn't have any length adjustment so has to be mounted for your specific boot sole length. What will work or clash will be depend how your boot sole length compares to that of the original mount etc.

B&D shift plates for SSL 2.0's have the speed radical heel pattern.

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[bean]

picking up some UL skis with one dynafit radical mount. Is the atk trofeo enough better than the dynafit ssl to be worth putting more holes in the skis? Looks like I could re use all toe holes for the dyna superlight

SSL is awesome, though I swapped in a speedrad toe to use with a SSL heel because I like to pretend I'm rad enough to need the extra beef on little mountaineering skis.

[sruffian]

Thanks guys. Looks like I’ll order the ssl from euroland and some adjustment plates from Ashland, Oregon to re use the heel holes

Saw reference earlier to people wishing b and d would make anti rotation device for ssl. Looks like they’re available now- are you guys having problems with flat mode on ssl or is it good enough?


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[I've seen black diamonds!]

SSL 2.0 unofficial flat mode works better than some official flat modes.

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[Spyderjon]

Thanks guys. Looks like I’ll order the ssl from euroland.....

I'd be pleased to quote you a great price on Superlite 175's. PM me if you're interested.

[sruffian]

Thanks isbd. Also glad to see those ssl’s on my old protests are working out! Many slarves I won’t forget on those sticks

Pm inbound Jon


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[teamdirt]

Midseason update on BD Helio 180/ATK Trofeo plus.

These bindings are probably all most need. Install freeride spacer and your good. Banging off sled laps, airing with confidence, straightlining all without hesitation. No issues what-so-ever. The 1 height riser is the optimum height too. A few were whining about lack of adjustment but reality is these are so simple, so light and work awesome! Highly recommend if you can get your hands on some!

[CaliBrit]

Midseason update on BD Helio 180/ATK Trofeo plus.

These bindings are probably all most need. Install freeride spacer and your good. Banging off sled laps, airing with confidence, straightlining all without hesitation. No issues what-so-ever. The 1 height riser is the optimum height too. A few were whining about lack of adjustment but reality is these are so simple, so light and work awesome! Highly recommend if you can get your hands on some!

Your spacer does worry me. The ATK ones have a slider for sticky AT soles...

[teamdirt]

Your spacer does worry me. The ATK ones have a slider for sticky AT soles...

Fair enough-none of their spacers would work so had to dream up my own solution....

Either way the binding is still top notch.

[CaliBrit]

Fair enough-none of their spacers would work so had to dream up my own solution....

Either way the binding is still top notch.

I mean fair play for going it alone.

Why wouldn’t the AL05 work? What’s the height of your riser?

[teamdirt]

I mean fair play for going it alone.

Why wouldn’t the AL05 work? What’s the height of your riser?

Alo5 was to high...boot wouldn’t clamp into pins. I believe 10mm off the top of my head but will need to double check

[riff]

I ground down the al05 and put one layer of ptex under the heel piece and It works, with adjustment range for my two different boots.


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[Benneke10]

The Marker saga continues... glad I saw this as I was considering picking up a pair of Alpinists earlier today

[kid-kapow]

occasional issues on products do occur, but considering that they've sold shitloads of them vs how few issues that have been reported (to my knowledge) indications are that they are pretty reliable for what they are. Everybody that I've talked to that have used them extensively seems to be really satisfied with them.

[NWFlow]

I hate marker bindings after dealing with dukes and some other terrible binding in the mid 2000s, but got a pair of alpinists super cheap and decided to give them i try. I actually like how they ski and tour. The brakes are pieces of shit and annoying though. Its amazing how many pairs i see here in Norway and haven't heard of widespread issues. I dunno, I'd probably buy another pair. Have been way happier them than my dynafits (radical and rad2)

[CaliBrit]

I hate marker bindings after dealing with dukes and some other terrible binding in the mid 2000s, but got a pair of alpinists super cheap and decided to give them i try. I actually like how they ski and tour. The brakes are pieces of shit and annoying though. Its amazing how many pairs i see here in Norway and haven't heard of widespread issues. I dunno, I'd probably buy another pair. Have been way happier them than my dynafits (radical and rad2)

I liked them. Ramp angle was just too low for me.

[NWFlow]

It's definitely noticeable, but that's one of the reasons I like them actually. But i could see that being a big negative if that doesn't work with one's preferences.

[altacoup]

Been contemplating getting some alpinist. Do they actually ski better than a speed turn? I’ve always hated the lack of control over the tail of the ski (really hard to aggressively finish a turn) and lack of dampening that Dynafit bindings have. Does the active compensation of the marker noticeably help this?


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[LeeLau]

I hate marker bindings after dealing with dukes and some other terrible binding in the mid 2000s, but got a pair of alpinists super cheap and decided to give them i try. I actually like how they ski and tour. The brakes are pieces of shit and annoying though. Its amazing how many pairs i see here in Norway and haven't heard of widespread issues. I dunno, I'd probably buy another pair. Have been way happier them than my dynafits (radical and rad2)

What aspect of the brakes do you not like?

[bean]

What aspect of the brakes do you not like?

They’re incredibly weak and I don’t trust them to stop a ski at all. It’s also my first time with a brake that has to be manually stowed/deployed and I’ve forgotten to release them a few times, not that I expect it to make much of a difference.

[frorider]

A friend who logs serious miles in the BC prefers Alpinists, and he likes jumping off things.



I have 2 pairs of ‘em, no issues for my 195 lbs. I agree with the logic that despite selling a metric shit ton of them in Europe & elsewhere, Marker doesn’t seem to have a ton of issues.

My Verticals and Ions don’t feel as smooth / damp as the Alpinists but I’d say my Vipecs feel somewhat similar on refrozen chatter.

Here’s an often overlooked aspect to consider: that Utah avy tragedy last week took out skinners, and the report mentioned locked tech toes as a possible contributor to the deep burials. What’s the lightweight tech binding today that has enough clamping force to allow you to skin up in Ski mode? AFAIK it’s the Alpinist only (would like to hear if there are others). In my experience, more techy skinning on satrugi / hardpack etc requires me to lock em, but typical pow day skinning does not.

[frorider]

Ok as a geeky engr I’ll throw in more food for thought. The release force at a twisting heel piece varies as distance from fulcrum changes. Therefore a binding with an baseplate travel spring that allows the tech heel to be always right up against your boot will, by definition, have more predictable release characteristics than a similar but inelastic heel that relies instead on a gap. Skis flex all over the place during a wreck.

Here’s another geeky observation: all the gap-based tech heels I’ve owned sometimes bind hard against my boot when skinning super variable terrain (creek crossings etc) as the ski deeeply flexes. Where’s that stress go? The mount screws.

Of course, a heel piece with linear travel baseplate spring is limited by that spring’s travel, but as long as that travel exceeds the gap of a ‘Gapped’ binding, you are winning.