The 300g Touring Binding Thread

[Boissal]

not sure how that happened. Possible snow and ice build up under boot sole

Spray from this post freezing under boot sole for sure.

[XXX-er]

Only one PR so far- after a 10-15ft air at speed I blew a shoe on a surf slash after the air at high speed..... not sure how that happened. Possible snow and ice build up under boot sole as I really wasn't being to diligent of clearing anything as I was'nt having problems. Guess we wait till next update.....

if you don't clear the boot pin holes and under the springs in the toe before you ski down every time they might fall off when you don't want them to

[teamdirt]

if you don't clear the boot pin holes and under the springs in the toe before you ski down every time they might fall off when you don't want them to

yeah- some steps can be missed when your sled lapping as opposed to touring laps. Snowmobile= heat, snow and icing...which can lead to the problem you described.

Anyway I will get you guys some pics of that spacer I put together in a week or so. In the busiest part of my my work season. Posting pics on this website has never been easy for a guy that isn't to familiar or cares very much. Don't have much time right now, But yeah pretty satisfied on the performance of the complimenting spacer I put in. Shredalicious!

[teamdirt]

Behold the secret freeride spacer developed in my pow lab!





Put that on your pin binding correctly and you can shred pillows, blast airs and straightline without worry! Ive got 20 days on the BD 180 and couldn't be happier. 1 Prelease due to ice build up and not knowing better about cleaning them out but ive put down long days sled skiing and sled touring and haven't had an issue. Ive been hitting 20ft airs, straight lining pillow stacks and charging hard. Super pumped so far and will update more thru the winter. Thx to all the mags posting about the freeride spacer, tech bindings and advanced developments, It all helped to understand how to put these together and why you need them....

PS: I even used the tech talk info on stuffing pre-existing holes with bamboo skewer and epoxy to redrill. Lots of good info on this site. My 1st mount in 20 years and not to mention freehand on a tech binding. Not so easy to do! Thx guys!

[XXX-er]

yeah- some steps can be missed when your sled lapping as opposed to touring laps. Snowmobile= heat, snow and icing...which can lead to the problem you described.

or snow spray from the sled freezes in the toe piece

If you don't clear the toe pieces you don't really know if they are clear

the purpose of the whole exercise was to know

so good luck with that !

[mufasa5446]

Behold the secret freeride spacer developed in my pow lab!





Put that on your pin binding correctly and you can shred pillows, blast airs and straightline without worry! Ive got 20 days on the BD 180 and couldn't be happier. 1 Prelease due to ice build up and not knowing better about cleaning them out but ive put down long days sled skiing and sled touring and haven't had an issue. Ive been hitting 20ft airs, straight lining pillow stacks and charging hard. Super pumped so far and will update more thru the winter. Thx to all the mags posting about the freeride spacer, tech bindings and advanced developments, It all helped to understand how to put these together and why you need them....

PS: I even used the tech talk info on stuffing pre-existing holes with bamboo skewer and epoxy to redrill. Lots of good info on this site. My 1st mount in 20 years and not to mention freehand on a tech binding. Not so easy to do! Thx guys!

Woah hell yeah


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[teamdirt]

If you don't clear the toe pieces you don't really know if they are clear
!

I was able to tell if the tow piece isn’t engaged pretty easy visually. U can see the pins are not in properly. Anytime I could see it, i was also able to twist the toe right out of the binding

Other method I found is toe piece won’t lock into walk mode.

[XXX-er]

pick the ski up squeeze the toe piece wings together, if the lever snaps cleanly the ice is clear from under the springs, if not snap the toe piece shut a few times to clear the ice

click in to the toepiece, swing the boot back and forth 3 times, the pins have clearing slots at 3 & 9 o'clock which you can't see looking down at the ski from above, the slots y will auger the ice & snow out of the boot pin sockets, stomp into ski mode and yer good to go

you must do this every time OR maybe they fall off, last year i seen a ski bud with 25yrs in the BC blow this and figure the binding was fucked

but it was just ice

[teamdirt]

Thx- appreciate the info!

[fleaches]

Behold the secret freeride spacer developed in my pow lab!


Put that on your pin binding correctly and you can shred pillows, blast airs and straightline without worry! Ive got 20 days on the BD 180 and couldn't be happier. 1 Prelease due to ice build up and not knowing better about cleaning them out but ive put down long days sled skiing and sled touring and haven't had an issue. Ive been hitting 20ft airs, straight lining pillow stacks and charging hard.

Thanks for this, definitely feel better about mounting these up. I have one of the "real" freeride spacers from ATK but as a few of us found out it doesn't quite fit with this binding so I may see if I can mod it a little.

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[fleaches]

click in to the toepiece, swing the boot back and forth 3 times, the pins have clearing slots at 3 & 9 o'clock which you can't see looking down at the ski from above, the slots y will auger the ice & snow out of the boot pin sockets

I don't think any of the ATK bindings have the "patented snow clearing slot," but I still think this helps.

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[XXX-er]

You can't notice them from above so most people don't know the clearing slots exist but every tech binding I have ever looked ( i do check) at had clearing slots not that it matters much cuz i havent seen many skiers use them

they put the skis on, when they fall off due to snow/ice issues pull the lever all the way up to lock them on

[bean]

every tech binding I have ever looked ( i do check) at had clearing slots

I just looked:
Dynafit do (duh)
Marker Alpinist do
ATK do not
Tecton do not

I think Xenics do but I don't have a binding in front of me to confirm.

[galibier_numero_un]

I just looked:
Dynafit do (duh)
Marker Alpinist do
ATK do not
Tecton do not

I think Xenics do but I don't have a binding in front of me to confirm.

Adding to this, my Plum Guides have 'em.

... Thom

[XXX-er]

well I lead a sheltered life eh

curious who knew those slots were there/ who uses them ?

[fleaches]

I think someone else mentioned g3 and mtns having them. I thought it was just dynafit but turns out I only own the two brands of bindings that don't have them.

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[XXX-er]

I have only looked at the binding that have clearing slots this is interesting cuz I thot they all had clearing slots

but you can see how they would do the trick eh ?

I got ski buds who laugh as they watch me swing the leg 3 times and stomp the heel in

but I never git that premature ejaculation

[snowaddict91]

well I lead a sheltered life eh

curious who knew those slots were there/ who uses them ?

I was taught to clear my toes as well and always do out of habit. Didn't realize my ATKs didn't have slots but will probably keep doing it anyway.

[caulfield]

Behold the secret freeride spacer developed in my pow lab!

I have a few days this year on something similar with backland bindings. I carpet taped them on, less holes and they haven't fallen off yet. I couldn't really tell the difference touring, but it was early season careful conditions or soft snow. But then I skied those skis in the tracked out resort and I think the spacer made the heel feel more harsh. Energy transmission is too direct I guess? Vibram sole should have some give to it, so it's possibly all in my head but now I'm thinking maybe vague heel isn't so bad. Between that and worrying about jeopardizing lateral release, I'm probably going to take them off. Mine also aren't red so that could be the issue

I have plenty of UHMW and carpet tape left if anyone with a 1/2" topsheet-to-sole gap wants to try this out.

And yea backland/mtns have slots. 180 degrees apart, but either they press the pins in randomly clocked or mine are spinning which would be bad.

[galibier_numero_un]

I was taught to clear my toes as well and always do out of habit. Didn't realize my ATKs didn't have slots but will probably keep doing it anyway.

In theory, it should still work without having the benefit of the slots. I do the shuffle 8 or 9 times per side. If 3 is enough, 9 is better ... right?

... Thom

[XXX-er]

well 3 is my personal ritual, but without slots i don't see how 9 will do any thing, otoh at least you are aware

Canada is like a furin country eh so almost all the bindings I looked at would be Dynafit or G3 with a smattering of Salomon, i duno if there is a Canadian dist for ATK but last time i looked a binding was 850 can$

I asked shop bro what binding has the most problems here up narth and he said " G3 but keep in mind mostly what we sell IS G3 "

[skialpy]

Just picked up a pair of mtns with brakes and noticing how high the “flat” touring mode is compared to my speed radicals or than without brakes (5+mm higher). What do folks skiing mtns think, are the brakes worth it?

[kid-kapow]

I've not toured alot on MTNs, but when I did I did not think about them not being flat (if that is the case) - like at all. For me the brakes were worth it and I run them on two pairs of skis (BMT90 and BMT109). I would not run them without brakes personally, unless I a weight saving mission was on - but then MTNs would probably not be my choice of bindings either.

[skialpy]

I've not toured alot on MTNs, but when I did I did not think about them not being flat (if that is the case) - like at all. For me the brakes were worth it and I run them on two pairs of skis (BMT90 and BMT109). I would not run them without brakes personally, unless I a weight saving mission was on - but then MTNs would probably not be my choice of bindings either.

Thanks for the reply other opinions on the flat mode with brakes?

[sruffian]

picking up some UL skis with one dynafit radical mount. Is the atk trofeo enough better than the dynafit ssl to be worth putting more holes in the skis? Looks like I could re use all toe holes for the dyna superlight