The Official Argue About Where Upstate NY Is Thread

[Lawless]

Hmm, the ‘80’s.
There were some good joints on Westcott, Acropolis and Munjed’s.
Johnny’s Pizza in Julian Plaza was hands down my favorite Pizza.
Juanita’s Mexican in N. Syracuse was pretty good.
Pastabilities was all the rage.
D’Angelos and the Celebrity Den for eye-Talian.
There were some ‘decent’ Irish restaurants near Tip Hill.
Pickles was a great sandwich joint.
Don’t remember when Dinosaur BBQ opened up, (googled it, ‘88) but that was/is great from the ‘90’s and on.

I grew up in Syracuse in the 80's. I never had Mexican. I will never forget my mother who visited me here in Jackson years ago asking the waiter at abuelitos what a burrito was. You want Italian? Go to Angottis. Hot dogs was heides, soft serve was PKs big dip, we got twin trees on special occasions, but otherwise a lot of little Caesars. Tuna Nuna casserole on Friday nights was awful. I worked at friendlys in high school, and also at chase pitkin. Neither of which is still in business. I remember the spaghetti factory starting up and being a big deal, as well as the clay people in the old train station along 690? as a kid. Freaked me out.

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[rideit]

What I really want for lunch tomorrow is a Fish Fry and a milkshake from Doug’s in Skaneateles...

[ticketchecker]

summer summit at old forge

Meet at Daikers

[huckbucket]

What I really want for lunch tomorrow is a Fish Fry and a milkshake from Doug’s in Skaneateles...

solid choice

[ticketchecker]

Can’t believe I finally started looking at this thread.

Grew up in ROC, went to Oswego. Lived in Park Ave world for awhile. Saw the Dead at Silver Stadium. Always Genny beer, never Cream Ales.

Was that Wooley who mentioned playing against the Whipple boys in LAX?

I’m going to have to make some notes and come back.

[BmillsSkier]

Assuming we nail down the specifics, how are reports from the front coming with city-dwellers fleeing for the confines of the Upstate in a post-COVID world?

I know down in my nape of the way mountain and lake properties are being scooped up at twice the clip from prior years with absentee owners. It'll be neat to see how the populations mix.

[riser4]

Real estate friend in town said folks from NYC are buying properties sight unseen for many thousands over asking. I am across the lake in VT. So I guess VT is somewhere upstate after all. Half tempted to sell but thing #3 still has 3 years of HS left and we don't want to switch high schools and of course we won't be able to afford to buy something else in town the way it's going. Because of the HS situation, this is the best one in this county, I am not ready to move up to the in-laws farm. Three years too soon. Which sucks because I'd love to unload this dump.

[Timberridge]

Real estate friend in town said folks from NYC are buying properties sight unseen for many thousands over asking. I am across the lake in VT. So I guess VT is somewhere upstate after all. Half tempted to sell but thing #3 still has 3 years of HS left and we don't want to switch high schools and of course we won't be able to afford to buy something else in town the way it's going. Because of the HS situation, this is the best one in this county, I am not ready to move up to the in-laws farm. Three years too soon. Which sucks because I'd love to unload this dump.

I'm not sure how things are going over the border but it's insane in S. VT right now. I know homes which have been listed for two years with nothing but a few walk thrus and are now getting multiple offers over asking. It's gonna be a real eye opener for the Metro NYC folk when they find out the locals and pseudo-locals (who moved there from NY/CT/NJ a decade ago) hate them and it's impossible to find a contractor who isn't overpriced or has any sense of time. I just sold the Branch Covidian complex and I'm just gonna wait for the next lull because it's balls to the wall there. The lawyer who did our closing is overwhelmed. The same thing happened after 9/11.

[BmillsSkier]

Real estate friend in town said folks from NYC are buying properties sight unseen for many thousands over asking. I am across the lake in VT. So I guess VT is somewhere upstate after all. Half tempted to sell but thing #3 still has 3 years of HS left and we don't want to switch high schools and of course we won't be able to afford to buy something else in town the way it's going. Because of the HS situation, this is the best one in this county, I am not ready to move up to the in-laws farm. Three years too soon. Which sucks because I'd love to unload this dump.

I'm not sure how things are going over the border but it's insane in S. VT right now. I know homes which have been listed for two years with nothing but a few walk thrus and are now getting multiple offers over asking. It's gonna be a real eye opener for the Metro NYC folk when they find out the locals and pseudo-locals (who moved there from NY/CT/NJ a decade ago) hate them and it's impossible to find a contractor who isn't overpriced or has any sense of time. I just sold the Branch Covidian complex and I'm just gonna wait for the next lull because it's balls to the wall there. The lawyer who did our closing is overwhelmed. The same thing happened after 9/11.

This is exactly what my buddies in N. Georgia and the N.C. mountains are telling me - houses and lots that have been listed and idle for 2 years all of a sudden all got scooped up in the past month. Lake property is insane right now.

Lol at the idea of any of these buyers finding tradesmen to help as you note Timber, much less on any sort of schedule that a city-dweller would sign off on. I know of more than one lake house up north that the kitchen and/or deck has been in a constant state of disrepair for years because the local tradesmen don't keep palm pilots.

Did you get the margarita stains out of the Covidian complex before selling or did you just disclose it and move on?

I hope the shuttle bus is in a good home now.

[BC.]

Not Upstate NY....but we get a huge amount of NYC fuhgeddaboutits here too in NEPA.....

Real Estate is exploding here in the lake region as well...my buddy is part time RE agent...slammed since April. Made more money in May/June selling RE than his year round teaching salary.

It is a perfect time to sell to a NYC’er.....they are buying everything up around here....paying way over asking....(Of course, I can’t move/sell for another 10 years....lol)

[Timberridge]

I guess everyone who bought TSLA is now house hunting?

The carpets had strong patterns on them so the stains blended in. Phew.
The bus was sold to a guy in NH.

Somehow a wood duck got stuck in the chimney. I left that for the new owner. But it was disclosed, so don't y'all go jumping on my shit for that.

[BmillsSkier]

I guess everyone who bought TSLA is now house hunting?

The carpets had strong patterns on them so the stains blended in. Phew.
The bus was sold to a guy in NH.

Somehow a wood duck got stuck in the chimney. I left that for the new owner. But it was disclosed, so don't y'all go jumping on my shit for that.

It's why the Scots were such frugal geniouses, tartan doesn't show a stain very well.

And disclosure or not, a wood duck in the chimney is good luck. The buyers should be overjoyed. That's better than a buried St. Christopher in the front yard.




They just opened a new mountain development for buyers about 45 minutes west of Asheville that my RE buddy had a hand in listing; apparently the entire first phase got scooped up this weekend by buyers from Charlotte and ATL sight unseen. I'm sure they'll all be built and ready to go before the next lockdown this fall.

[riser4]

If it weren't for the HS issue, I'd ditch this dump while the getting was good. Shit, maybe it's worth paying tuition. However, the farmhouse we would move into needs a lot of work. And I'm not quite mentally prepared to live in the boonies, compared to where I live now, which I suppose is the boonies if you are from NYC.

[BmillsSkier]

If it weren't for the HS issue, I'd ditch this dump while the getting was good. Shit, maybe it's worth paying tuition. However, the farmhouse we would move into needs a lot of work. And I'm not quite mentally prepared to live in the boonies, compared to where I live now, which I suppose is the boonies if you are from NYC.

Let me go back a few pages and check the map for "boonies".

Hang on.

[Timberridge]

I think its a relative term Bmills. Not to conflate two threads, but over Bunny's way, Darien is considered the boonies compared to Greenwich. In VT's case, it could be South Londonderry is the boonies, compared to, say, Londonderry.

[Benny Profane]

Let me go back a few pages and check the map for "boonies".

Hang on.

Most anywhere without a wire bringing the internet into the house, which is a lot of places.

It's going to be funny when these Zoom refugees try to use satellite for an important go-go career making biz meeting. The Boonies suddenly won't be worth over asking.

[wooley12]

Can’t believe I finally started looking at this thread.

Grew up in ROC, went to Oswego. Lived in Park Ave world for awhile. Saw the Dead at Silver Stadium. Always Genny beer, never Cream Ales.

Was that Wooley who mentioned playing against the Whipple boys in LAX?

I’m going to have to make some notes and come back.

That was I. There have been Whipples involved in IHS LAX since 1958. Google Whipple Irondequoit lax. They sill make news.

Me? EHS. Lots of good memories. Grew up close enough to the water to be a Bay Rat. Neighbor was the town sheriff. My first ski touring in DE Park. My little brother played sand lot baseball with Cal Jr. I know ho dumped the 20 box of Tide into the paddle wheel at the Over the Falls ride. Memory of the only fight ever that I was ever in. A much bigger guy from IHS took exception to me wearing jeans to ski in on a town ski trip to Bristol. He grabbed me as I exited the bus and I punched him in the face about 5 times before he could say two words. A Mashup of A Christmas Story and American Graffiti would sound about right.

As I understand it, to anyone south of Westchester, the Boonies begin when you are more than 10 minutes north of a mall and more than 10 minutes south of one.

[Skidog]

That was I. There have been Whipples involved in IHS LAX since 1958. Google Whipple Irondequoit lax. They sill make news.

Me? EHS. Lots of good memories. Grew up close enough to the water to be a Bay Rat. Neighbor was the town sheriff. My first ski touring in DE Park. My little brother played sand lot baseball with Cal Jr. I know ho dumped the 20 box of Tide into the paddle wheel at the Over the Falls ride. Memory of the only fight ever that I was ever in. A much bigger guy from IHS took exception to me wearing jeans to ski in on a town ski trip to Bristol. He grabbed me as I exited the bus and I punched him in the face about 5 times before he could say two words. A Mashup of A Christmas Story and American Graffiti would sound about right.

As I understand it, to anyone south of Westchester, the Boonies begin when you are more than 10 minutes north of a mall and more than 10 minutes south of one.

I am officially in the boonies then. Thank god

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[gravitylover]

Goddamit! This is some fakenews right here.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/news/...ronavirus.html

This is what happens when you base lists on stats instead of visiting them.

Or considering things like sunshine. Or culture. Or jobs. Or fistfights.

Ehh it's not terrible and they're not too far off with the Glens Falls area being hot. Easy access to the Daks and VT and the mt biking within shootin' distance is pretty damned good. Quality if life can be had if you make it so.

Damn there's some funny shit in this thread. Thanx for the entertainment maggots.

[ötzi]

I'm not sure how things are going over the border but it's insane in S. VT right now. I know homes which have been listed for two years with nothing but a few walk thrus and are now getting multiple offers over asking. It's gonna be a real eye opener for the Metro NYC folk when they find out the locals and pseudo-locals (who moved there from NY/CT/NJ a decade ago) hate them and it's impossible to find a contractor who isn't overpriced or has any sense of time. I just sold the Branch Covidian complex and I'm just gonna wait for the next lull because it's balls to the wall there. The lawyer who did our closing is overwhelmed. The same thing happened after 9/11.

It's not just up there, Fairfield county -Fairfield County!- is seeing a boom. It's like an escape hatch opened for a lot of people there who've been trying to ell houses for years with no luck. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/r...sultPosition=1

[m2711c]

Ehh it's not terrible and they're not too far off with the Glens Falls area being hot. Easy access to the Daks and VT and the mt biking within shootin' distance is pretty damned good. Quality if life can be had if you make it so.

Damn there's some funny shit in this thread. Thanx for the entertainment maggots.

it’s an awesome place to live if you have a job. It’s an especially awesome place to live if you have a good paying job. The cost of living here is extremely low, and we have a plethora of entertainment options available to us. However, if you don’t have a job, and especially if you don’t have the education needed to get the job, this is a fucking miserable place to live.

[EWG]

it’s an awesome place to live if you have a job. It’s an especially awesome place to live if you have a good paying job. The cost of living here is extremely low, and we have a plethora of entertainment options available to us. However, if you don’t have a job, and especially if you don’t have the education needed to get the job, this is a fucking miserable place to live.

I'm going to go gentle on ya. There are a lot of great things upstate, and it can be breathtakingly beautiful at times (fall sun on changing leaves in the Adirondacks, for example), but no amount of money, no good job, can make up for an average of like 160 days of sun per year. That means that less than half of the days are sunny. That's vicious man. Plus nearly 170 days of snow/rain per year. AND the least amount of precipitation is in January and February when you actually wouldn't mind snow, wasting sunny days when it is 2 degrees outside, meaning that there's even fewer sunny days in the summer than you would think. 4.5" of rain per month from June-Dec. I remember looking at a solar chart once showing that upstate was the second rainiest place int eh country after Seattle, but don't worry, in terms of cloud cover is the worst. #1 worst place to install solar panels. And still somehow ends up with 68' of snow each winter (that last fact was from memory so might be a little off.) This is because of that weird paradox - even on days it isn't cloudy it still somehow rains - June is the least rainy month with nearly 12 rainy days per month. Half the year see rain or snow nearly half the days. It's also cold as shit, which means that snow, usually gray from dirt and plows, is on the ground for 6 months a year give or take.Takes a hardy soul, man.https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/c...20the%20ground.

[BmillsSkier]

I'm going to go gentle on ya. There are a lot of great things upstate, and it can be breathtakingly beautiful at times (fall sun on changing leaves in the Adirondacks, for example), but no amount of money, no good job, can make up for an average of like 160 days of sun per year. That means that less than half of the days are sunny. That's vicious man. Plus nearly 170 days of snow/rain per year. AND the least amount of precipitation is in January and February when you actually wouldn't mind snow, wasting sunny days when it is 2 degrees outside, meaning that there's even fewer sunny days in the summer than you would think. 4.5" of rain per month from June-Dec. I remember looking at a solar chart once showing that upstate was the second rainiest place int eh country after Seattle, but don't worry, in terms of cloud cover is the worst. #1 worst place to install solar panels. And still somehow ends up with 68' of snow each winter (that last fact was from memory so might be a little off.) This is because of that weird paradox - even on days it isn't cloudy it still somehow rains - June is the least rainy month with nearly 12 rainy days per month. Half the year see rain or snow nearly half the days. It's also cold as shit, which means that snow, usually gray from dirt and plows, is on the ground for 6 months a year give or take.Takes a hardy soul, man.https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/c...20the%20ground.

I think it takes a couple cases of Genny Cream too.

[riser4]

Tugg Hill is the biggest waste of snow on the planet.

[BmillsSkier]

I think this may be where the Western Region of the Upstate may take the lead, I've had some of the best days on snow ever at Holiday Valley when the lake snow machine is on.