Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[concretejungle]

Maskhole: An individual who wears a mask in a way that makes it completely ineffective—e.g., below the nose, under the chin, on the back of the head.

Those people are my current favorites now that customers have to wear masks. “Um, it needs to be covering your nose, thanks.”

Them and the fat fucks who can’t manage to talk with a mask on.

[bodywhomper]

Unfortunately it's too late for the one in question.

Washington back to banning gatherings of more than 5 people, along with all entertainment, indoors and out, starting Monday. It's still too little, too late, but it's nice to see Inslee still has some balls. He needs to close all bars and restaurants again statewide.

With no gatherings of more than 5 people, is the state gov banning in-classroom schools?

[glademaster]

You can bet I'll be counting heads in the office on Monday.

[Mofro261]

With no gatherings of more than 5 people, is the state gov banning in-classroom schools?

I've been phased and confused for so long it's not true.

Gov. Jay Inslee Thursday announced a limit of 10 people at social gatherings in Washington counties that are further along in the reopening process as the state sees a rise in COVID-19 cases.

Inslee’s announcement came as Washington broke a new record for confirmed cases of the new coronavirus, with state health officials Thursday reporting 1,267 new COVID-19 cases and six additional deaths.


The tally clocked in at nearly twice the average number of cases per day in the past two weeks.


In a news conference, Inslee warned of more drastic actions if the state can’t tamp down on outbreaks of the new coronavirus, which are simmering across Washington.


The state could soon reimpose restrictions on bars, restaurants and recreational activities, Inslee said. Officials could ultimately take even more drastic measures.


“We cannot rule out the potential of another stay-home order this year,” the governor said.

The 10-person limit on social gatherings takes effect Monday for counties that are in the third phase of the governor’s four-part coronavirus reopening plan.


King, Pierce and Snohomish counties remain in the second phase of the plan. That phase’s five-person limit on social gatherings will remain in place.


But more than 15 counties are right now in the plan’s third – and currently least-restrictive – phase. They include Thurston, Island, Grays Harbor, Pacific, Whitman and Kittitas counties.


The new limit will not apply to weddings, funerals or religious services, or to businesses operating indoors, like gyms or retail stores.


It will apply to social gatherings held outdoors or indoors, including such as live, in-person concerts, at-home gatherings or other entertainment. The new order also will apply to drive-in concerts.

[old goat]

smart move Georgia...... FFS

https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronaviru..._live_hero_hed

Kemp's action is blatantly racist. Who is protesting mask wearing? White people. Who is dying of the virus? Especially Black and Latino people. Kemp wants to kill off the people who voted for Abrams. I'm serious. Anti-masking is another form of white privilege.

[old goat]

Yeah, you're probably right. Definitely go look up Arizona, California, Florida, and South Carolina. They most certainly don't have increasing deaths three weeks after their cases started rising. Maybe you need to take a graph-reading class?

Deaths in CA, FL, and TX are most definitely rising.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/...&values=deaths

[KQ]

Those people are my current favorites now that customers have to wear masks. “Um, it needs to be covering your nose, thanks.”

Them and the fat fucks who can’t manage to talk with a mask on.

I think a part of the problem people have with masks is that they are wearing masks that don't fit their face so they are either too tight (making it hard to talk, hurting their ears, squashing their nose, making them feel like they can't breath) or too loose (won't stay up so they are constantly adjusting it. These are the people who end up just letting it hang on their chin or have their nose out). Then there are other issues like fogging (get a mask with a metal nose piece or one that sits high on your nose/bridge) or heat retention (go with cotton and less layers, maybe a lighter color). Of course somethings can't be helped, it is after all a cover across your face still with some effort you can find one that is as comfortable as possible.

Everyone's face is different and ears are set high, low, back, forward, noses are big, small, wide, narrow, chins can be jutting or set back, then there are beards, sideburns and mustaches all of which make one-size-fits-all very hard to acheive. I tried four different masks for myself before I found one I really liked and it rocks. It took two tries to find a good one for my mother. They aren't really all that expensive but times are tight for many still it's worth buying one, two, three different mask designs to find one that you like to wear. If there was some way we could fit masks to people we might see more compliance.

It's like bras people... you need the right one for your body or you're going to be miserable.

Edit/add: Oh who am I kidding? No one gives a shit.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I guess when your preferred news outlets have no journalistic standards or track record ^this type of horseshit reasoning makes sense. It's sad really. Let's just say that the weight you give information needs to be proportional to the body of evidence. Your neighbor's story isn't even *personal*... it's fucking 3rd hand, made up, unqualified gossip. Literally no news agency would report that bs even the nutty ones.

I was going to reply to him with something similar but knew someone would take care of it. In this case third hand info is not as reliable as what journalists report. Guess what, sometimes journalists have to post retractions or revise their findings. That fact alone should invalidate good journalism and validate third hand information from some rando you run into on the street.

[MarcusBrody]

I think a part of the problem people have with masks is that they are wearing masks that don't fit their face so they are either too tight (making it hard to talk, hurting their ears, squashing their nose, making them feel like they can't breath) or too loose (won't stay up so they are constantly adjusting it. These are the people who end up just letting it hang on their chin or have their nose out). Then there are other issues like fogging (get a mask with a metal nose piece or one that sits high on your nose/bridge) or heat retention (go with cotton and less layers, maybe a lighter color). Of course somethings can't be helped, it is after all a cover across your face still with some effort you can find one that is as comfortable as possible.

Everyone's face is different and ears are set high, low, back, forward, noses are big, small, wide, narrow, chins can be jutting or set back, then there are beards, sideburns and mustaches all of which make one-size-fits-all very hard to acheive. I tried four different masks for myself before I found one I really liked and it rocks. It took two tries to find a good one for my mother. They aren't really all that expensive but times are tight for many still it's worth buying one, two, three different mask designs to find one that you like to wear. If there was some way we could fit masks to people we might see more compliance.

It's like bras people... you need the right one for your body or you're going to be miserable.

Edit/add: Oh who am I kidding? No one gives a shit.

I think this is part of a problem, esp with the better masks. My face is kind of long/large and I can't talk with an N95 style mask very easily as its just a bit too small when I open my mouth. I still have been wearing the ones I had around the house at the start of this, but they aren't very comfortable if I need to talk or wear glasses.

But I don't know what people's excuse is if they can't properly wear a surgical mask. After the n95 style, they seem so comfortable. Maybe I just got lucky and they fit me well, but they seem like they would be adjustable to a lot of types of face. They might not be as protective, but everyone wearing even that would go a long way. Fogging is still an issue.

The only mask that doesn't fog at all for me is a half face respirator. I did wear it when I had to fly out of Nevada with someone sitting in the seat beside me, but it feels like massive overkill otherwise, so it stays home for woodworking projects.

[SKIP IN7RO]

It's like bras people... you need the right one for your body or you're going to be miserable.

[::: :::]

[Bozo T. Clown]

Michael Mina
@michaelmina_lab

I am changing my view. The feds should not just push for cheap paper #COVID19 test strips that everyone can use daily. They should be the ones to make them. The technology exists. The money exists. There is little reason not to do it. These could end the outbreak quickly.

· Jul 3
A cheap paper strip test for used daily can help stop #COVID19 Even if the test is not that analytically sensitive These exist. Can be produced at $2ea. The @FDADeviceInfo, @NIH & others should push for these Me and @Kotlikoff suggest this here https://nytimes.com/2020/07/03/opini...?smid=tw-share

We do not need these to be perfect. We don’t need them to be extremely sensitive. We just need them to reliably detect people on the days they are most likely to transmit virus - when viral load is in the billions of viral particles per mL We need a new way to think about tests.

19h
In work with @DanLarremore
, Roy Parker, @brwilder
@MilindTambe_AI
@jameshay218
We show that poor test sensitivity is just fine if frequency of use is high and turnaround time to get results short.
Test sensitivity is secondary to frequency and turnaround time for COVID-19 surveillance
The COVID-19 pandemic has created a public health crisis. Because SARS-CoV-2 can spread from individuals with pre-symptomatic, symptomatic, and asymptomatic infections, the re-opening of societies...
medrxiv.org


TWiV 640: Test often, fast turnaround, with Michael Mina
July 16, 2020
Michael Mina joins TWiV to reveal why frequent and rapid SARS-CoV-2 testing is more important than accuracy, how a daily $1 rapid test could control the pandemic, and why group testing works.
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-640/

[Benny Profane]

God damn, first the killer hornets, now it's nunchuck bears.

https://www.facebook.com/57491653252...9518206393305/

[smmokan]

Deaths in CA, FL, and TX are most definitely rising.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/...&values=deaths

Yep, that was kind of my point.... I guess I need to be more ironical next time with my verbiage.

[TBS]

Just learned my 23mo granddaughter is in the hospital with Covid

[The SnowShow]

Just learned my 23mo granddaughter is in the hospital with Covid

JFC. So sorry to hear.

[pureantigravity]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid...roke-1.5652003

Heart researchers say there's a surprising reason Canada has seen higher COVID-19 deaths than many countries with fewer health-care resources — more Canadians live longer with chronic disease, putting them at greater risk of dying from COVID-19.

That's a neat spin in the fact that Western Countries also relegate their seniors to low quality homes with poor care, which turn into covid hotbeds.

[old goat]

If you're having trouble getting masks to fit try surgical style masks with ties rather than ear loops. I found some cotton and polyester masks of that style on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Gildan-Reusab...4955377&sr=8-1 . The top tie goes fairly high on the head so you don't wind up with penis nose. If you're in a situation where you are taking the mask off and putting it on--I use them for hiking for when I can't get 6 feet off the trail--you flip the top tie off your head and leave the mask dangling from the bottom tie. When you need to put it back on you just put the top tie back on your head. Wearing one does require the ability to tie a bow on the back of your head. I can't remember if it was hard to learn 40 years ago.

I don't know what I'm going to do with 48 masks, but they were cheap enough. Definitely ugly. I might try and tie dye them.

[old goat]

Yep, that was kind of my point.... I guess I need to be more ironical next time with my verbiage.

My bad, sometimes it's hard to keep the players straight without a scorecard. Who's on Team Science, who's on Team Trump.

[::: :::]

Just learned my 23mo granddaughter is in the hospital with Covid

Sending love
Sorry to hear

[old goat]

Michael Mina
@michaelmina_lab

I am changing my view. The feds should not just push for cheap paper #COVID19 test strips that everyone can use daily. They should be the ones to make them. The technology exists. The money exists. There is little reason not to do it. These could end the outbreak quickly.

· Jul 3
A cheap paper strip test for used daily can help stop #COVID19 Even if the test is not that analytically sensitive These exist. Can be produced at $2ea. The @FDADeviceInfo, @NIH & others should push for these Me and @Kotlikoff suggest this here https://nytimes.com/2020/07/03/opini...?smid=tw-share

We do not need these to be perfect. We don’t need them to be extremely sensitive. We just need them to reliably detect people on the days they are most likely to transmit virus - when viral load is in the billions of viral particles per mL We need a new way to think about tests.

19h
In work with @DanLarremore
, Roy Parker, @brwilder
@MilindTambe_AI
@jameshay218
We show that poor test sensitivity is just fine if frequency of use is high and turnaround time to get results short.
Test sensitivity is secondary to frequency and turnaround time for COVID-19 surveillance
The COVID-19 pandemic has created a public health crisis. Because SARS-CoV-2 can spread from individuals with pre-symptomatic, symptomatic, and asymptomatic infections, the re-opening of societies...
medrxiv.org


TWiV 640: Test often, fast turnaround, with Michael Mina
July 16, 2020
Michael Mina joins TWiV to reveal why frequent and rapid SARS-CoV-2 testing is more important than accuracy, how a daily $1 rapid test could control the pandemic, and why group testing works.
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-640/

Interesting idea--what do our scientists think?
It won't happen until we have a President who isn't actively trying to suppress testing.

[KQ]

If you're having trouble getting masks to fit try surgical style masks with ties rather than ear loops. I found some cotton and polyester masks of that style on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Gildan-Reusab...4955377&sr=8-1 . The top tie goes fairly high on the head so you don't wind up with penis nose. If you're in a situation where you are taking the mask off and putting it on--I use them for hiking for when I can't get 6 feet off the trail--you flip the top tie off your head and leave the mask dangling from the bottom tie. When you need to put it back on you just put the top tie back on your head. Wearing one does require the ability to tie a bow on the back of your head. I can't remember if it was hard to learn 40 years ago.

I don't know what I'm going to do with 48 masks, but they were cheap enough. Definitely ugly. I might try and tie dye them.

https://mambeblankets.com/products/f...32285543759952

No need to tie as it uses a cord lock. You can drop it around your neck with just your pinky fingers. Has a metal nose piece.

[riser4]

Heh. Penis nose.

[hutash]

Just learned my 23mo granddaughter is in the hospital with Covid

So, so sorry to hear. Good luck.

[Rideski]