GUNS!!!!!!!!

[riser4]

I've been thinking of getting a .30-06, I don't own a hunting rifle. This is not a bad looking deal. The ammo should be available in every backwoods mom and pop.

[highangle]

They could pay $30 more and be just fine.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...rifle/p/p42301

Thanks...left that new elk tactical tax out.

I've been thinking of getting a .30-06, I don't own a hunting rifle. This is not a bad looking deal. The ammo should be available in every backwoods mom and pop.

On sale, this rifle cost twice what that base Vanguard costs, but with button rifling, CRF action, and 3-pos safety it's a much better, all American made rifle which should appreciate in value over time: https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...ield/p/1529840

[zion zig zag]

Zion, saw this ad on the local gun page. Guys has a Ruger RPR in 6.5 cm and a tikka 300 wm too that seem fairly priced. It’s 2-3 hours from me so can’t really go check them out but might be worth your kid looking into.

https://www.zidaho.com/index.php?a=2&b=10586

Thanks for the heads up!

[warthog]

Did you see the 10mm discussion a page or so back?

Just did.

[exsparky]

Sportsman's has the base Vanguard Select on sale for $499.99... .243, .270, .308, '06, 7 Mag, 300WM.

Mea Culpa. Weatherby Vanguards can be had new for $500 at Sportsman's. Just all in chamberings too big or old for New Elk!
Kids everywhere will be sofknpissed...

Those same bastards at Sportsman's also have the CZ 557 Sporter, a rifle with billet receiver, great barrel, controlled round feed [Mauser] action, hinged floorplate, adjustable fucking trigger, and integrated bases for $499.97 in, get this... .30-06 only! The 6.5 Swede is over $200 more...Those assholes!

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/rifles/cz-557-sporter-synthetic-rifle/p/p41985

edit: That didn't take long!

They quit making them 2 years ago. I wouldn't mind having one in 30-06 though.

[highangle]

They quit making them 2 years ago. I wouldn't mind having one in 30-06 though.

They're fine rifles. Never seen a base model in the wild. Most Weatherbys are purty and Cadillac-ey and sorta shout "Weatherby"...Well, at least the Marks do...


Can you see why I suggested riser3 get the $1000 Montana? Comparing the 2 is a classic example of why it's cheap to be liquid, and expensive to be "poor"...

A base Vanguard, unless restocked with some nice wood and otherwise customized by a pro, is going to be worth at least $100 less used than it cost, no? Only a general rise in the cost of guns [or Weatherby going under] will make any plastic-stocked $500 rifle like that appreciate in 5-10yrs.

But your extra $500 on the Montana AST .30-06 buys you not only a higher functioning piece for as long as you have it, it also buys you something almost guaranteed to always be worth at least what you have in it [probably more].

[Conundrum]

Those MRCs are nice rifles for the money. But it is funny that you mention Weatherby going under while MRC actually is going under. https://montanarifleco.com/wp-conten...ure-Letter.pdf They've been in and out of financial trouble for the last 4-5 years. Not sure how that would affect future monetary value but it could certainly affect factory support.

But a hunting vs collect-ability rifle is a different conversation.

[highangle]

Those MRCs are nice rifles for the money. But it is funny that you mention Weatherby going under while MRC actually is going under. https://montanarifleco.com/wp-conten...ure-Letter.pdf They've been in and out of financial trouble for the last 4-5 years. Not sure how that would affect future monetary value but it could certainly affect factory support.

But a hunting vs collect-ability rifle is a different conversation.

A buttoned-rifled full Mauser glass-bedded in a piece of French with 3-position safety and adjustable trigger is a better big game hunting machine than the Vanguard.

The 3-way safety is safer around people, CRF is more reliable than push feed, Montana's triggers are fine like frog hair, and so are their barrels. Your $500 extra buys a custom rifle that will never be worth less than what you paid for it.

MRC reorganizing as something else will turn that '06 into a collector's piece. Mebbe I should just lock mine up in the box after it arrives Aug 6?

[Conundrum]

Edit-disregard. I thought we were talking about Zion's kid still...didn't see Riser asking. Yeah, that MRC is going to get you features you would usually pay a lot more for. And they are all practical features that will make the rifle a better shooter. If I wasn't sitting on a number of '06s, I'd take the deal on that MRC.

[highangle]

I wasn't recommending a wood long action Mauser for Zion's kid, I was recommending it for riser3, who wants an '06.
I don't know his level of experience or even where he hunts...If he is less experienced [no crime], he would presumably hunt with it for a few years, or maybe shop around for another hunting rifle, before he fully realized just what he had in that American Standard.
If he is more experienced, he'll recognize it's every bit the rifleman's rifle a $2000 Pre '64 Model 70 is.

And if MRC had to fold because they sold their rifles too cheap...Expect high collectability, maybe even cult status.

[Conundrum]

If he is more experienced, he'll recognize it's every bit the rifleman's rifle a $2000 Pre '64 Model 70 is.

And if MRC had to fold because they sold their rifles too cheap...Expect high collectability, maybe even cult status.

Nothing wrong with the MRC. It will be a shooter. If you wanted to spend under a grand for a guaranteed cult rifle, I'd just buy this: https://www.rokslide.com/forums/thre...r-sale.177555/

I'd buy one if I didn't already have this in my safe. Grandpa packed it for 40 some years. Then he gave it to me in the late 90s. I still occasionally take it out.

[highangle]

Grandpa didn't mess around. You can tell by his rifle...



https://www.outdoorlife.com/jack-oconnors-perfect-model-70/


https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...24in/p/1641596


Edit: What's going on with those tall rings? Are they to clear the dovetail?

[Conundrum]

Yeah, he spent money on my grandma and guns. That was about it. Here’s my great grandpa’s 1903 ‘06 from about 1932 and my dad’s M70 ‘06 from the 70s. I shot my first deer with it as a 12 year old.

[highangle]

Yeah, he spent money on my grandma and guns. That was about it. Here’s my great grandpa’s 1903 ‘06 from about 1932 and my dad’s M70 ‘06 from the 70s. I shot my first deer with it as a 12 year old.

That OL article I linked is pretty strong, but doesn't quite state the effect that Jack O'Connor had on big game rifle design as well as your pics show it...
Great Grandpa's sporterized Springfield was as about good as it got in 1932 [see the expensive Model 54], and a big leap up from a lever action carbine or a breech-loader like a Sharp's or an expensive African plains game rifle. And your Dad's Model 70 shows Jack O'Connor's influence on what a rifle should be and how it should function.

I read every word of The Hunting Rifle when I was a kid. I should find a copy for the nightstand, just for his prose and because every American hunter should read it. But JOC wasn't so influential because he wrote for Outdoor Life in an age when magazines were the primary information channel and men and boys devoured every word every month, but because he was right about everything he wrote about the big game rifle, and he wrote it so well that it all seems common sense.

You have a American hunting rifle museum in your family, Conundrum.


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[exsparky]

That'st not a jeweled bolt, that's art. Well done end caps and wood work get me too.

I love the look of that era.

[Conundrum]

Edit: What's going on with those tall rings? Are they to clear the dovetail?

Correct. He gave it to me with opens and I put an inexpensive Leupold scope on it because that's what I could afford when I was a teenager. This was my primary hunting rifle from age 16 to my early 30s. I knew that someday I'd put my own rifle together and take it back to open so I didn't want to take anything off that I couldn't easily put back on. Now it's back to open and in the safe for the time being. It's deserving of a nice optic so I have to decide if I want to go that route.

You have a American hunting rifle museum in your family, Conundrum.


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Yeah, you could tell when my grandpa started making any type of money...about the early 50s. My cousin has his 300 Wby with the Weatherby optic and it's spotless. My mom has his engraved 300 Savage 99. That thing is sweet. I've got his Model 12 Heavy Duck and M71 .348, and M94 30-30. I think my favorite to shoot is the M75 .22lr. That thing is as accurate of any .22 I've ever shot. He bought all of them new in the 50s. Plenty of other interesting guns too-he had three Savage O/Us. .30/12g that my uncle took, .22/20g that I have, and a .22/.410 my cousin grabbed. Only two handguns though. His service Colt 1911 that my cousin now has and I have my great grandpas .38 Colt Army Special.

[waxman]

I used to work with this Montana boy, he did a lot of guiding in his younger years. He'd say maybe three words a day, and when he did, you'd better listen. Geez that guy could find elk. We'd be driving into a remote job site and we'd see a herd of elk, and everybody in the rig would be cranking their necks at the cows and rags, and Kevin would point off in a different direction and whisper, "Nice bull". Sure enough to there'd be some gagger you could barely see but he picked out right away. And you can always tell someone who's always switched on, as soon as they see a nice critter, they whisper. Never slammed truck doors either.

That may be one of the best descriptions of a person I've ever read.

[highangle]

Victrix Scorpio Centerfire New Elk Rifle in .338 Lapua


Sale
$6,199.99 [$7,599.99]

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/vict...nterfire-rifle

[wooley12]

Anyone know where I can pick up a few cases of these? For cheap?

[riser4]

Victrix Scorpio Centerfire New Elk Rifle in .338 Lapua


Sale
$6,199.99 [$7,599.99]

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/vict...nterfire-rifle

Ya, ifn you want to vaporize said elk. From a mile away.

[riser4]

Anyone know where I can pick up a few cases of these? For cheap?

No. Troll.

[wooley12]

No, I'm serious. Jack booted thugs are invading our cities and rounding up citizens. WOLVERINE TIME BABY. Hooray for 2A.

[Conundrum]

Victrix Scorpio Centerfire New Elk Rifle in .338 Lapua


Sale
$6,199.99 [$7,599.99]

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/vict...nterfire-rifle

Put an optic on it and it will be over the legal weight limit to hunt with in some states.

[highangle]

Ya, ifn you want to vaporize said elk. From a mile away.

A .338 Win Mag does surprisingly little damage to un elch. Even up close it it leaves some meat, and won't lift them off the ground much less leave a big cloud of red mist or smoking hoof prints...

Kan't spreken der Lapua's performance tho, as most old rustics around heer strap a .375 Win Mag in the handlebar breckets of their ATVsen und spend haffasmuch fur ammos ya.
Plus, them big ol 375s, both H&H and WinMag, are usually more apt to be "Pushers" instead of "Motherfucken Mules" like them 8 mellometers.

[highangle]

Put an optic on it and it will be over the legal weight limit to hunt with in some states.

What about truck mounting it, Somali technical-style, against the Malthusian plague of feral hogs that put all those farmers out of business? "Wuff Wagon!"