Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[seano732]

Don't rejoice. He's got nothing else to do right now. He cant travel and rally. So, he might look over at the cool military toys and think, ooh, let's play soldier.

Definitely not rejoicing.....Start around 1:30.......

[uglymoney]

More on the meat packing plant situation up in Waterloo. Republican governor totally relying on the company to protect workers, refusing to shut it down when signs pointed to trouble. The company did not protect workers of course since they are in the business of treating workers like shit so they can sell cheap pork to fat people, and now a huge outbreak and the plant is shut down anyway.

I want to repeat it is shut down anyway. If we open everything without having testing and ppe's to appease the nutters everything shuts down anyway or in the case of restaurants not enough people show up to cover the overhead anyway. And way more people die.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/us/ty...rus/index.html

[bennymac]

Was SkiCougar there at the gate handing out pompoms in his slick Oberstleutnant getup?

He was there but he was busy shouting at immigrants. See below for a gem quote from SkiCougs from earlier this winter.

sorry, I did not realize that I had missed that question.

YES ! kill all muslims, black, brown, white, irish; color does not matter to me when it's making a dead muslim.

that's something that I do not like about trump, he likes to play nice with muslims(gave the palestianians too much to make peace with isreal, wanted to talk with Taliban); nope; you gotta kill muslims; you cannot reason with them.

hope that answers your query.

He is one deranged loser.

[Rideski]

How about a mag project?

Somebody with a pickup truck could easily get a ton of potatoes. Hauling shit is why you buy them oversize road hogs, right?

Picabo, ID is about 700 miles from SF or Denver. Other cities in this range, Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas.

At 17 mpg going empty, and 13 mpg returning loaded, that's ~100 gallons. A peek at gasbuddy suggests 100 gallons might cost $250 coming from the expensive west coast cities. Throw in $70 for food and a motel, makes $320. Guessing a large potatoe at 10oz, you could easily be hauling 3200 potatoes, at 10 cents each to supplement 3200 meals at a local food bank.

I'm in for $37

Well my old truck would only carry 1/2 ton, but yeah I’m down.
It would make the math considerably more favorable for some local deliveries though. I’m sure farmers in Northern CO are probably dumping something.


And I’m sure there’s starving people up there in Spudville.

[muted]

Consequences dictate our course of action
And it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught.

If consequences dictate my course of action
I should, I should play God and just shoot you myself

You sound like a Tool.

[seano732]

You sound like a Tool.

Well played

[LongShortLong]

Well my old truck would only carry 1/2 ton, but yeah I’m down.
It would make the math considerably more favorable for some local deliveries though. I’m sure farmers in Northern CO are probably dumping something.


And I’m sure there’s starving people up there in Spudville.

I might have been too optimistic about payload and slightly about mileage. Also, nothing for wear and tear or labor. The shorter trips to smaller closer cities Boise, etc. may work better mathematically (also cheaper gas). OTOH, potatoes are often out of stock around me. So for someone who wants a roadtrip, and a workout loading and unloading potatoes, it could make sense. My numbers work out to $8 for 50lbs, which is a good price (Costco wants $21).

Also needs an interested mag(s), a food bank, and a check for any restrictions on transporting potatoes (potato disease quarantines and such). If there's more interest, I'm willing to start a thread and make a stab at organizing.

[jono]

...the plant is shut down anyway.

I want to repeat it is shut down anyway. If we open everything without having testing and ppe's to appease the nutters everything shuts down anyway or in the case of restaurants not enough people show up to cover the overhead anyway. And way more people die.

Repetition bears repeating.

The qualitative economic analysis is a pretty obvious one and even if you take the most extreme "open it now" favorable option at every turn we're getting a deal. Even now. Even after the early opportunity for a real bargain has passed. We're saving lives below market, worst case ($5E12/70% infections of 3.3E8 and .003 fatalities per is less than $8M per life versus the $10M that the labor market collectively identifies per Lee's marketplace link up there).

But of course that's bullshit: not because the medical assumptions are off but because the economic ones don't compare two possible outcomes. The fallacy the "open it now" crowd lives on is to never run the numbers to find out what happens in that brave new world because then you'd have to cut that $5T cost down to the difference between the two and...oh, shit, it shuts down anyway? $0?? Ooh. Sshhhhh. Keep it on the editorial pages, we don't need to talk numbers.

[carpathian]

You only know one of these?





So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous uhm, whether its ultraviolet or, just very powerful light, and i think you said that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it, and then i said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do, either through the skin, or uhh, in some other way, and i think you said you were going to test that too sounds interesting, right, and then i see the disinfectant knocks it out, in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by, injection inside or, or, almost a cleaning, cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with but it sounds, it sounds interesting to me.

My brother is pretty die hard maga fan. The other day I was texting him about something or other , as I was thumb typing fast trying to get some point across , he responded like I was talking gibberish , he no comprende.

I made joke about how my text read like a Trump speech transcript and he seriously did not think it was funny... I lol’d

[Lone Star]

But of course that's bullshit: not because the medical assumptions are off but because the economic ones don't compare two possible outcomes. The fallacy the "open it now" crowd lives on is to never run the numbers to find out what happens in that brave new world because then you'd have to cut that $5T cost down to the difference between the two and...oh, shit, it shuts down anyway? $0?? Ooh. Sshhhhh. Keep it on the editorial pages, we don't need to talk numbers.

The last time I tried to engage these kooks personally, the response I got was "You keep trying to talk numbers but we are human beings, not robots. This isn't about numbers."

[jono]

The return to normality should be guided by outcome, not just process. ...

Regarding isolating of the vulnerable--keep in mind that many of the vulnerable are active, functional members of society, often working, often doing essential work (doctors, nurses), active consumers.

Strongly appreciate the evenness of your tone on this. But given the many conditions that make a person vulnerable, don't we make up about half the country?

Add just spouses/parents/children living in the same house with someone vulnerable and we'd have to limit meetings to about 1.2 people if we really intended to isolate households with vulnerable individuals while "re-opening."

Won't happen. Vulnerable individuals will be advised to isolate from their families, which most won't do, and the herd will be strengthened by their sacrifice. Sort of.

[jono]

The last time I tried to engage these kooks personally, the response I got was "You keep trying to talk numbers but we are human beings, not robots. This isn't about numbers."

Right. The only numbers that matter are the ones in their own accounts. 401k and "the economy" should only be about numbers that go up!

I think the issue for the few real nutters from the MAGA crowd is how blindsided they were. No matter what happens from here on, it's still the most expensive mistake ever made--there's a lot of whiplash between "one day it'll just disappear!" and where we are now. It's like getting only a few weeks to accept that OJ did it: we all got there eventually, but some really needed a few years.

[Thaleia]

Thank you for the thread title change.

[Tri-Ungulate]

Oh. You were looking for "BL205: SARS COV2, A deeper look" That class meets on MWF at 8AM in room 425.

Oops, sorry mang. But yeah, just wanna say that the Farzan lecture was trés cool and I do wanna know more and do have mad respect for him and the UCSD/Scripps team (though I did some of my dissertation research there, so I’m biased). I don’t want to come across as denying that there’s hope from the biosciences front, in fact, for those who know me, I’m more on the cheerleader end of the spectrum in that regard. It’s just that as much as I agree with the optimism regarding mechanistic approaches to SARS CoV2, in this particular situation I’m a bit more cautious in re: ultimate solutions, and I’m pretty sure you’d agree with me from your perspective in da industry.

im bummed those didn't get to gnaricorn the yurps
but glad youse all made it back safe

Dude, I had no idea that was your tune, which I gotta say was nonpariel. It allowed me to (barely) keep up with nordkette, Buster, carvhard and the shrooms in the short time I was lucky enough to be able to ski with ‘em in yurp. You and the missus need ta join us next year if travel permits.

Thanks for that. Not really for the subject, but I thought Autoweek folded a few months ago, but it was only the print version.

Just so y’all know, bad roo is still hanging out, doing his thang.

[MakersTeleMark]

Bad roo is probably setting records all over yurp in shit Bobby can't get.

[subtle plague]

I only clicked the link to see if some idiots actually injected themselves with Lysol or a flashlight.

Hah. Me too.

[old goat]

Strongly appreciate the evenness of your tone on this. But given the many conditions that make a person vulnerable, don't we make up about half the country?

Add just spouses/parents/children living in the same house with someone vulnerable and we'd have to limit meetings to about 1.2 people if we really intended to isolate households with vulnerable individuals while "re-opening."

Won't happen. Vulnerable individuals will be advised to isolate from their families, which most won't do, and the herd will be strengthened by their sacrifice. Sort of.

Good point about people in the same household as vulnerable people.

More great news--sudden, massive strokes in young, asymptomatic Covid carriers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...oung-patients/
The lucky ones die.

[rideit]

Is it just me, or is this article regarding an antibody testing program here pure gobbledygook, or is it the testing process itself?
sure, I’ll get one to assist in research, but I ain’t paying $75 for something that appears to be completely inconclusive.
thoughts?


https://buckrail.com/new-nonprofit-o...ibody-testing/

[Tri-Ungulate]

Good point about people in the same household as vulnerable people.

More great news--sudden, massive strokes in young, asymptomatic Covid carriers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...oung-patients/
The lucky ones die.

Yeah, it's bringing to mind to me a kind of antiphospholipid syndrome kind of picture. I've been wondering about this a lot lately.

[bobz]

Gotta love the both-sides ethic at the NYT. Hmmm, indeed, "some experts" disagree that injecting bleach into your bloodstream is a good idea, but who really knows for sure? Great reporting, guys. (NYT has since removed the posting.)

[S_jenks]

The thread title change is a solution to a problem that did not exist. Iceman summarized is succinctly in an earlier post. At some point, the name of a thread started way back in December is pretty low on the totem pole of concerns. If it makes the OP feel better, then so be it. But it's definitely a revisionist SJW move to think that it's really going to move the needle anywhere.


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[TBS]

Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion man...

[BCMtnHound]

This thread, and its iterations are a cool snapshot. Conversations evolve. Hopefully this virus does not.

[evdog]

Poor guy, no one loves him.

Seems like there is a solution though - stop being such a fucking douchebag and people won't hate you so much?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

[twat]

Only people alive vote.