Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[jtran10]

sure sure. even if it was the same fatality rate as the flu, with the much higher infection rate, it would seem like we'd have to do something as a society to address it, I'm not saying "ha gotcha reopen everything". I am just trying to understand whether these studies are "legit" at all, and if so what the consequences of them are

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/24/...k-their-tires/

[Benny Profane]

Everything I've read about the car market and covfefe suggests consumer car pricing will continue to decline; especially used cars. The collector market has remained reasonably strong to this point but with big auctions and shows being cancelled or postponed that may change.

https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/cl...sic-car-world/

Thanks for that. Not really for the subject, but I thought Autoweek folded a few months ago, but it was only the print version.

[riser4]

Got Chlorox?

[old goat]

The return to normality should be guided by outcome, not just process.

Hospitalization rate low enough so that Covid patients can be isolated from the rest of the hospital population, enough PPE available and being produced that HCW on the Covid ward can have adequate gear to adhere to pre Covid standards--changing between each patient, enough hospital capacity to care for non Covid patients and do elective surgery, enough healthy HCW's to allow normal shifts with break and normal days off.

Adequate community control of the virus and adequate protective measures in places of business to allow them, especially essential business like food processing plants, plants making PPE, utilities etc have few enough cases to stay open.

Adequate protective measures and low enough populations so that infection in prisons and nursing homes can be kept to manageable levels and without threat to staff and so that family members can visit.

Regarding isolating of the vulnerable--keep in mind that many of the vulnerable are active, functional members of society, often working, often doing essential work (doctors, nurses), active consumers. Without them it will be very hard to fully open the economy and the more the disease is allowed to progress the greater the risk to the higher risk population. Even shopping will be too dangerous for us--who will do that for us in a way that assures that we will not be exposed? Do the "low risk" people understand that the "high risk" are thinking, feeling human beings who will be denied all human contact? I'm not saying that allowing low risk people to return to work and social gatherings is out of the question, but adequate provision needs to be made for the welfare of the vulnerable and for the continue absence of these people from the workplace and consumer economy.

Provision also needs to be made for the rapid increase in the number of "healthy" people who contract the virus--even those who isolate at home will have to be shopped for.
In addition, the increase concentration of infected people in the population will expose grocery workers, transit workers, and the like to stay healthy and on the job. HCW's will be increasingly exposed in the community as well as at work, making keeping them on the job even more difficult.

Anyone who thinks you can just say the economy is open--even in phases--and just step back and everything will be ok is an idiot.

Someone a few pages back mentioned a happy medium. There may be a medium, but it will not be happy.

[DBdude]

And GPS

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[uglymoney]

Here's an idea:

How about we stop comparing this virus to anything and just go with the fact that we know very little about this highly contagious and deadly disease for which there is no cure or vaccine except that it has touched most if not all countries on earth through rapid person to person spread and therefore, at the moment, the best course of action is to isolate/protect ourselves from one another until we know more.

Furthermore... let's get this under control THEN go back and try to determine the when, where, how this all started because at this point place of origin seems secondary to controlling/stopping it.

But then.. maybe I'm crazy. I've certainly been feeling that way lately.

I agree. I have been trying to keep going into the weeds on all these studies as reported on by Wapo and NYT but they don't mean much on their own. Just parts of the big picture we are building. I"ve always been a macro guy. Consolidate what I know now and it leads me to what she said.

But people desperately want to dream they already had it, it's comforting to think they might be in the clear.

This also. I find myself playing the same mind game but I am always reminding myself that it is just wishful thinking. It is comforting to go down the wormhole and for some irresistible like the promise of the afterlife. All good until you start making decisions based on false belief.

Got Chlorox?

Today's theme. Emblematic of just how early in the game we are. Still nobody actually leading. Just an assclown extending false hope which will lead to more pain and suffering.

Thanks for the thread title change.

Edit thanks Old Goat. I agree. We are so far from where you say we need to be and already talk of loosening. Literally almost no action has been taken here to protect workers. I am considered essential and almost zero people wearing any sort of mask to protect me. Holding my breath and being diligent with spacing (which thankfully is possible most of the time with my gig) and wearing a hand made cloth mask with a 3m furnace filter insert and changing things up so I am only in buildings with one or two people. But that only buys me and my family time if nobody else gets on board.

[Buster Highmen]

Bravo for the thread title change.

May your monstrous balls slap with great multiplicity against a warm and welcoming pussy.

[Mofro261]

Got Chlorox?

Hydroxychloroquine with a Hypochlorite chaser.

[Rideski]

Thanks Buster, I’ve been informed I get a conjugal visitation tomorrow.

[The Suit]

I'd say orange Putih gemuk dan mabuk. Maybe that'll get a better reaction although I'm not sure there's a wiki entry for that.

Whatever. Wait till I tell SkiCougar I despoiled the pure Aryan race by marrying a white person. That'll get his white hood in a knot

Do you have kids? Hapa kids rule.

[happytimefunbox]

Fear and loathing is a nice touch

And if you ever read homers odyssey,
We are between Scylla and Charybdis

Well done OP on the thread re-title

Bravo for the thread title change.

May your monstrous balls slap with great multiplicity against a warm and welcoming pussy.

Thanks Buster, I’ve been informed I get a conjugal visitation tomorrow.

cheers Rideski

[happytimefunbox]

i am quietly hording my rubles for the impending covfefe flu driven collapse of the #vanlife market with hopes to score something in a hightop and 4x4. maybe or maybenot an oilburner. hafta be a domestic to be in my pricerange. gonna have a couple more gin n tonics and consider my options

[glademaster]

i am quietly hording my rubles for the impending covfefe flu driven collapse of the #vanlife market with hopes to score something in a hightop and 4x4. maybe or maybenot an oilburner. hafta be a domestic to be in my pricerange. gonna have a couple more gin n tonics and consider my options

Well it is happy hour, and I'm over here contemplating career changes, so cheers!

[k2skier112]

I'm not gonna check your math but all your numbers are "so far" and with countermeasures of varying degree in place. Even Sweden is not as wide open as is generally reported, people take it seriously there even if the government hasn't. So your numbers may be true but they're useless because we don't know the numbers of those who have been infected.

Is nordekette from yurp?

I thought Fox News Derangement Syndrome was just a USA thing...

[old goat]

One other thing (yeah, right, when did I ever stop at one).
I hope the people who advocate selecting the fit and the unfit are mindful of the historical precedent. And no, I am not calling you Nazis, It will come down to how the unfit are treated.

I do appreciate the importance of getting people back to work. Work makes you free.

[rideit]

Haha, the Moron In Chief pussied out, and (for the first time) didn’t answer any questions at his own presser. Fucking loser. “Know when to fold ‘em”, I guess.

[klauss]

I am no doctor but my bullshit meter almost broke listening to these guys. Does Trump U give out MDs?

[Benny Profane]

Haha, the Moron In Chief pussied out, and (for the first time) didn’t answer any questions at his own presser. Fucking loser. “Know when to fold ‘em”, I guess.

A long weekend of sympathetic and not so sympathetic punditry of love and outrage awaits. He'll re-access his campaign Sunday night/Monday morning.

[up an down]

You get jaded when you're exposed to the construction industry, which is populated entirely by pathological liars, master manipulators, and charlatans who view their employees with the same respect that was paid to feudal serfs.

Almost entirely in my experience.

[mcski]

I am no doctor but my bullshit meter almost broke listening to these guys. Does Trump U give out MDs?

I went to HS in Bako and now My FB feed is full of my trumptard aquaintances gushing over these guys.

Will mofro Or someone please destroy the bs these two are surely peddling? I mean running an urgent care business is great and all, but last I checked they weren’t experts in virology or immunization

[LeeLau]

Do you have kids? Hapa kids rule.

I don't but my half Korean nieces are so cute.and the halfers I know are pretty cool kids

[grinch]

I am no doctor but my bullshit meter almost broke listening to these guys. Does Trump U give out MDs?

Spin dr. Kern county is a police state. The most killings by police in the US. People dont count there just $

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[huckbucket]

Will mofro Or someone please destroy the bs these two are surely peddling? I mean running an urgent care business is great and all, but last I checked they weren’t experts in virology or immunization

To date ...

In Italy >140 doctors died from #COVID19

In UK >100 healthcare workers have died

In US >27 HCWs died

Which flu season has caused so many HCWs deaths?

[summit]

Work makes you free.

Jawol! Arbeit macht frei! Mach schneller zu tode... :-(

[KQ]

Look who crawled out from under his rock to flap his gums:

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani was on Laura Ingraham's show on Fox News Thursday night when the subject turned to the coronavirus -- and attempts in New York to develop a contact tracing system to be able to monitor future outbreaks.

That's when this exchange happened:

Ingraham: Michael Bloomberg is gonna handle the tracing, army of tracers in NY we learned today from [New York Gov. Andrew] Cuomo.
Giuliani: That's totally ridiculous.
Ingraham: The army of tracers.
Giuliani: Then we should trace everybody for cancer.
Ingraham: Yeah, army of tracers.
Giuliani: We should trace everybody for cancer, and heart disease. And obesity. I mean, a lot of things kill you more than Covid-19. So, we should be traced for all those things. I mean life possesses a certain degree of risk.



Edit: Going backward in the thread I see this was already posted. Sorry for the repeat.